National Right-To-Carry Reciprocity Bill Introduced

[heyheybooboo]

Because of various standards from state-to-state blanket reciprocity is a non-starter

Originally posted by: TallBill

The psyche exam would be a waste ...

There are folks at Virginia Tech and Northern Illinois who would most likely disagree with you on that one.



And I don't know anything about Cliff Sterns but from his website he appears to be quite a little piggy ...

Funding Requests for FY 2009 submitted by Rep. Cliff Stearns

Cecil Field NE Taxiway Improvements, Jacksonville, Florida - $2,000,000

The Belleview Bypass and Baseline Road Project - $1,000,000

Florida I-75 Traffic Management System Design Plan, Alachua County - $1,000,000

Jacksonville Harbor Federal Ship Channel Dredging - $3,000,000

Silver Springs Pollution Abatement - $1,000,000

Marion County Emergency Operations Center - $5,000,000

No Wrong Door: Co-occurring Mental Illness and Addiction Disorders - $ 1,000,000

800 Mhz Radio System for Lake County, Florida - $1,000,000

Enhancements for Campus Security and Disaster Recovery - $750,000

Heart of Florida: Regional Economic Development - $750,000

Continuation of vital citrus canker and greening research - $4,000,000

Florida Army National Guard, Regional Training Institute (RTI) Phase IV - $18,500,000

Florida Army National Guard, Live Fire Shoot House - $2,400,000

Central Florida Community College Expansion of the Public Policy Institute - $500,000

Alachua County Success by 6 Education Project - $500,000

Santa Fe Community College, Clinical Laboratory Sciences Program - $475,000

Santa Fe Community College Technology Upgrade for Health Sciences Building - $500,000

Research Support for Nanoscale Research Facility at the University of Florida - $5,000,000

Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI) Diagnostic and Therapy Development- $6,006,000

Florida National Guard Counterdrug Program- $3,800,000

Process Integrated Mechanism for Human-Computer Collaboration and Coordination - $2,000,000

Accelerating Treatment for Trauma Wounds - $1,600,000

Weapons Skills Trainer - $3,500,000

Rick Boucher seems kinda boring but did get an open gov't award ...

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Thump553
Absolutely against it. This would negate the concept of state's rights and mean that no gun control laws in the US could be any stronger than those of the weakest state.

How is that any different that driving licenses? You can drive across the country, despite the fact that the standards for getting a license vary across the states

Having a federal standard is probably a better idea, but generally speaking reciprocity is a good thing. Compatible laws is what allows for national coherence, otherwise this country would be like pre-EU europe.

Wouldn't this fall under the "full faith and credit" clause? I do agree with a federal standard though as it would simplify things without taking away state sovereignty (what little is left anyway... ) Under this congress though, fat chance of that happening. The Repubs could've pushed this while they were in power, but didn't for some reason.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Thump553
Absolutely against it. This would negate the concept of state's rights and mean that no gun control laws in the US could be any stronger than those of the weakest state.

How is that any different that driving licenses? You can drive across the country, despite the fact that the standards for getting a license vary across the states

Having a federal standard is probably a better idea, but generally speaking reciprocity is a good thing. Compatible laws is what allows for national coherence, otherwise this country would be like pre-EU europe.

There are restrictions with licensing. For example, if you're in a state where you can get your license at 15 or 16, you can't go driving through NYS without a person over 21 in the car, as you must be at least 17 years of age to drive alone with nearly full privileges.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: Thump553
Absolutely against it. This would negate the concept of state's rights and mean that no gun control laws in the US could be any stronger than those of the weakest state.

Exactly. Less federal involvement the better.

If a state has a law you don't agree with, get it changed there, or move to one you do like. Otherwise why bother having states at all.

I'm not sure how I feel about this bill, however, I disagree with what you and Thump are saying. There are plenty of laws that pertain to every state. You can't ban free speech, you can't eliminate the freedom of the press, etc...

Good point. Perhaps driver licenses shouldn't be reciprocal. But then maybe that would get into commerce clause violations.

So don't have a good answer.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Did they try to pass something like this when the repos were in power?

 

[m1ldslide1]

What happened to States Rights FTW???

I thought that decentralized power was central to conservative ideology? The right to bear arms is a peripheral issue, and I'm amazed that folks would allow their fear of federal 'gun-grabbers' to subjugate states rights on the issue.

 

[sactoking]

Totally unconstitutional. Violation of the 10th Amendment.

It's not a Commerce Clause issue like licenses. The possession or lack of possession of a firearm is not intrinsic to interstate commerce (i.e., you don't need a gun to cross from Oklahoma to Nebraska to sell porcelain dolls).

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Thump553
Absolutely against it. This would negate the concept of state's rights and mean that no gun control laws in the US could be any stronger than those of the weakest state.

How is that any different that driving licenses? You can drive across the country, despite the fact that the standards for getting a license vary across the states

Having a federal standard is probably a better idea, but generally speaking reciprocity is a good thing. Compatible laws is what allows for national coherence, otherwise this country would be like pre-EU europe.

There are restrictions with licensing. For example, if you're in a state where you can get your license at 15 or 16, you can't go driving through NYS without a person over 21 in the car, as you must be at least 17 years of age to drive alone with nearly full privileges.

And that's exactly how this law is written. Your DL is good in NY, but you have to follow their laws. Likewise, your concealed handgun license would be good in NY, but you have to follow their laws as to the places and manner of carrying a firearm. Seems pretty analogous to me.

*shrug* as long as I keep my TCLEOSE current I'll have a national carry license for the rest of my life. I'd like to see this pass for everyone else though.

 

[Possessed Freak]

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: Slick5150
I've never understood the idea of "concealed carry". If you're so proud of that gun, I'd rather you wear it in a holster cowboy style so I know who the people are I'd rather stay the hell away from.

I wish I could openly carry. Keep nuts like you from bothering me.

Move to PA. I can openly carry a firearm... outside of Philly.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
What happened to States Rights FTW???

I thought that decentralized power was central to conservative ideology? The right to bear arms is a peripheral issue, and I'm amazed that folks would allow their fear of federal 'gun-grabbers' to subjugate states rights on the issue.

Like I said earlier, that's not a good argument. Unless you think that freedom of speech, freedom of the press, etc... should all be decided by the state.

 

[sactoking]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
What happened to States Rights FTW???

I thought that decentralized power was central to conservative ideology? The right to bear arms is a peripheral issue, and I'm amazed that folks would allow their fear of federal 'gun-grabbers' to subjugate states rights on the issue.

Like I said earlier, that's not a good argument. Unless you think that freedom of speech, freedom of the press, etc... should all be decided by the state.

No, but since open-carry bills are not specifically enumerated in the Constitution (the rights you mentioned are), it falls under the purview of the 10th Amendment, so it's a very cogent argument that you're refusing to address.

 

[Xavier434]

I don't really care either way, but I do believe that this is something that each state should decide.

 

[NeoV]

funny how the pro-gun crowd is all supportive of federal bills ( introduced or actually passed doesn't seem to matter) such as this one, but the mere mention of banning anything short of a nuclear bomb gets them all foamy at the mouth, and god forbid any time of gun-limiting legislation come at the federal level...

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: NeoV
funny how the pro-gun crowd is all supportive of federal bills .

Yes. One very special federal bill

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: Balt
Doomed and they know it.

Sadly