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Craig234

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Originally posted by: XMan
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: XMan
If Ron Paul weren't a pacifist I'd give him strong consideration as well.

You need to learn the difference between defense and offense, security and empire, punching a mugger and being a mugger - between pacifism and opposing empire.

I'm a pacifist to the extent that pacifism requires appreciating the great harm violence does more than most recognize it today, and being cnservative in using force - rather than the ego-based casual call for its use against others by those far and safe from the consequences in a bubble called America, a bubble with a tiny ding called '9/11'. I'm not a pacifist where our 'real' defense needs are involved.

I'm not a Ron Paul supporter beyond some narrow truth-telling he does regarding the war in Iraq, our debt, and a few other things.

I don't think I'm ever going to learn any of those things, because our viewpoints are diametrically opposed. You see the United States as an empire-builder; I do not. I don't see much common ground between those two positions.

You don't have to agree with any particular view to understand the two sides.

If someone in Japan had persuaded the government not to launch Pearl Harbor, you wouldn't know he was a pacifist - and Ron Paul opposing the Iraq war doesn't make him a pacifist, it makes him someone who supports war being more limited to legitimate self defense, it means he's against illegal, aggressive war.

I don't see the United States 'as an empire builder'; I see it as the militarily most powerful nation in the world, and one that makes some decisions that are imperialistic, in varying manner and degree, and some that are not. If you disagree that the US acts to build empire to some degree, with a broad meaning of empire, including other forms of domination, exploitation, expropriation than the traditional occupation, then we do disagree, and it's hard to see how you could reach such an obviously wrong position.

It's tempting to have you injure yourself a bit by reading a book such as Michael Parenti's 'Against Empire'.

Anyway, your characterization of Ron Paul as a pacifist is simply unreasonable, wrong, spin. And I say that as someone who doesn't see pacifist as a dirty word, for what I understand it to mean, which is not the same thing that it's commonly misunderstood (IMO) to mean, where Hitler would have been allowed to conquer the world.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Sweet, now some mindless clowns who lack the intelligence to pick their own candidate can go with romney because a magazine they like said to. We need more of those kinds of people voting *groan*
No different than the mindless clowns who are voting Hillary because she is married to Bill.

According to some poll 50% of her supporters are there because of that fact.
 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Sweet, now some mindless clowns who lack the intelligence to pick their own candidate can go with romney because a magazine they like said to. We need more of those kinds of people voting *groan*
No different than the mindless clowns who are voting Hillary because she is married to Bill.

According to some poll 50% of her supporters are there because of that fact.

I don't want to vote for Hillary, even if it does mean we get Big Bill back in the White House...there's something I just don't like/trust about that woman...and I'm 100% Democrat...Obama looks good, says the right things, but he's too young and too inexperienced IMO, PLUS, he's Black which makes him unelectable to much of the country.
 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: GenHoth
Originally posted by: Capitalizt
Originally posted by: ProfJohn


Beyond him though I don't think there is a Republican 'A-list' star sitting out there, just like I don't think the Democrats have one either.

Actually, the democrats DO have one, and I am glad they never nominated him, because I think he would blow away the competition on both sides. He is moderate, charismatic, seems to be an honest down-to-earth guy...

Evan Bayh

He looks like a pretty good candidate too bad hes not running.
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Evan Bayh tested out the Presidential waters a little over a year ago. And found they were asking Evan Who in even neighboring States. Getting no response, he gave up after raising zero money.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Sweet, now some mindless clowns who lack the intelligence to pick their own candidate can go with romney because a magazine they like said to. We need more of those kinds of people voting *groan*
No different than the mindless clowns who are voting Hillary because she is married to Bill.

According to some poll 50% of her supporters are there because of that fact.

Actually, there's a big difference between voting for a candidate because the (garbage) National Review picks him, and voting for a candidate because it would put their spouse, who is a former two-term president you think did a good job, back in the White House and next to the presidency.

But of course, PJ, you are only interested in posting partisan pot shots regardless of how false they may be. It's pretty disgusting.
 

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N.R. is finally catching up with what I've been saying for months, good for them.
 

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Sweet, now some mindless clowns who lack the intelligence to pick their own candidate can go with romney because a magazine they like said to. We need more of those kinds of people voting *groan*
No different than the mindless clowns who are voting Hillary because she is married to Bill.

According to some poll 50% of her supporters are there because of that fact.

I don't want to vote for Hillary, even if it does mean we get Big Bill back in the White House...there's something I just don't like/trust about that woman...and I'm 100% Democrat...Obama looks good, says the right things, but he's too young and too inexperienced IMO, PLUS, he's Black which makes him unelectable to much of the country.

Maybe you're just projecting your own racism on too much of the country.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Sweet, now some mindless clowns who lack the intelligence to pick their own candidate can go with romney because a magazine they like said to. We need more of those kinds of people voting *groan*
No different than the mindless clowns who are voting Hillary because she is married to Bill.

According to some poll 50% of her supporters are there because of that fact.

I don't want to vote for Hillary, even if it does mean we get Big Bill back in the White House...there's something I just don't like/trust about that woman...and I'm 100% Democrat...Obama looks good, says the right things, but he's too young and too inexperienced IMO, PLUS, he's Black which makes him unelectable to much of the country.

Maybe you're just projecting your own racism on too much of the country.

:thumbsup:

Obama has a lot of support.

He'll get more once other Democrats fall out of the race. And, he'll get even more if Ron Paul does NOT run as a 3rd party candidate. The Democrats would be wise to give him the nomination.
 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Maybe you're just projecting your own racism on too much of the country.

Nah, I don't think so. The south is still horribly racist, even though some people refuse to admit it...Even many northern and western states are more racist than they'd like to admit.
People naturally prefer to vote for candidates who happen to look like them, voting for the color (or against the color) rather than voting for the man.(or woman...which may also be a stumbling block for president)

As for my racism...I'm old and busted up...I don't run that fast anymore, so I don't race...:)
But my grandkids might tell you that Grandpa might have some racial prejudices, he's not racist or biggoted...
My grandkids