Nate Silver Says GOP Has 60% Chance To Take The Senate This November

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He doesn't say why; however, I imagine Obamacare has a lot to do with it. I know it's early, but things don't look too good right now for our friends on the left and it looks like Democrats should be more than a little concerned.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/nate-silver-to-abc-gop-has-60-shot-at-retaking-senate/

Nate Silver Says GOP Has 60% Chance To Take The Senate This November

Nate Silver, the former New York Times statistician wunderkind who successfully predicted every state in the 2012 election and became something of an anti-anxiety pill for worried Democrats, now predicts that the GOP has a roughly 60% of retaking the Senate in the 2014 midterms.

Silver, who just launched his own site, FiveThirtyEight, under the ESPN banner, spoke to ABC’s Jon Karl in a segment on This Week With George Stephanopoulos Sunday morning. There he said his best prediction saw the GOP taking six seats, the exact number they’d need to have a one-vote majority. However, that prediction was +/- five seats, meaning the Senate could relatively unchanged, or the GOP could win big in November.

Also: Silver is very underwhelmed by the prospect of a Scott Brown New Hampshire victory. “He was very popular in a different state four years ago,” Silver said, giving Brown a 1-in-4 chance.

The Cook Political Report suggests similar results.
http://cookpolitical.com/senate/charts/race-ratings
 

HomerJS

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A lot of that is Republican base turns out in off year elections. In the Florida special election Dem turnout was light.

BTW - I thought Republicans only believed in Rasmussen polls. They all said Nate Silver was full of crap in 2012.
 

fskimospy

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Sure, makes sense. If I were Obama I would be ramming through every appointment possible in the next 10 months. There seems to be a wide variance in the prediction though, which means you should take it with a large grain of salt.

BTW so long as the polls stay GOP favorable I imagine that suddenly they won't be considered 'skewed' anymore.
 

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They've only got themselves to blame. But the blame will be on anyone but themselves.
 
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Silver's model is certainly very well proven. I would expect some gains by Republicans in November, though I doubt they will pick up six seats. I don't pretend to know enough about the individual races to be more specific, however.
 

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Republicans could have had more seats in the last several elections for the senate if they would stop putting nuts on the ballot.

I think the same thing will hold true. If they put up moderate people then yes they have a great chance. If they put up more nuts then they only have themselves to blame again when they come up short.
 

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i dont give a fuck if the GOP wins the Senate or not, because the Constitution doesnt allow for much liberty. they all work together to increase the power of the State even more each time. after all, the GOP, not Obama, were the ones who increased taxes and who put a rubber stamp on everything he does.
Republicans could have had more seats in the last several elections for the senate if they would stop putting nuts on the ballot. I think the same thing will hold true. If they put up moderate people then yes they have a great chance. If they put up more nuts then they only have themselves to blame again when they come up short.
moderate about what? ken cuccinelli could've been considered an economic moderate by some. we need an EXTREME confederalist, not some moderate piece of crap. The GOP lost the pop vote in 5 of the last 6 presidential elections because they put up a moderate. if they had put up ron paul, he would've won and obama's sorry ass would be back in chicago. and now that there are no ron pauls left, they will never have the presidency ever again due to their desire to be "moderate".
 
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Here's a related article that's pretting interesting as it helps explain why this may happen.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/the-huge-republican-advantage-2014-midterm-elections

Four Reasons The GOP Has A Huge Advantage In The 2014 Elections

For all their internal divisions and long-term worries as a party, political scientists and historical trends give Republicans a clear advantage in the upcoming 2014 congressional elections.

Forget Obamacare, forget the government shutdown and forget the skirmish over the minimum wage. While these issues are atop the political conversation, mid-term elections are better understood by fundamentals like the economy and presidential popularity, voter turnout tendencies and the specific dynamics at play in the House and Senate.

In short, the deck is stacked against Democrats on Nov. 4, barring a drastic shift in the political landscape between now and then.

1. The Six-Year Curse For Presidents

Mid-term elections are usually bad for the president's party, and that holds true for second-term presidents. Since the ratification of White House term limits, five out of the six two-term presidents have lost seats after re-election -- an average of 29 in the House and six in the Senate, according to election analyst Charlie Cook.

In 2006, George W. Bush lost 30 seats in the House and six in the Senate. In 1986, Ronald Reagan lost five in the House and eight in the Senate. In 1966, Lyndon Johnson lost 47 seats in the House and 4 in the Senate. In 1958, Dwight Eisenhower lost 48 in the House and 13 in the Senate. In 1950, Harry Truman lost 29 seats in the House and six in the Senate. (The one exception was 1998, when a strong economy and voter backlash against the Republican-led impeachment of Bill Clinton helped Democrats pick up five seats in the House and break even in the Senate.)

David Mayhew, a political science professor at Yale University, parses the data from 1914 to 2008 and finds "a special six-year itch on the Senate side." That is, second-term presidents typically lose more Senate seats. He attributes it in part to the dynamics of the six-year terms, waning presidential coattails and voter fatigue with the party in the White House.

2. Democratic Voters Don't Turn Out In Mid-Terms

Non-presidential elections tend to be low turnout affairs dominated by older, white, male and conservative voters who prefer Republicans. Over the last three decades, voter turnout has averaged nearly 60 percent in presidential elections and roughly 40 percent in mid-term elections, according to data compiled political scientist Michael McDonald.

What accounts for the difference? "Core Democratic constituencies — youths, minorities and the poor — tend to see their participation decline more precipitously in midterm elections than the Republican core constituency of older affluent whites," explained McDonald, a professor of government and politics at George Mason University.

The most salient factor is age: older voters disproportionately turn out in mid-terms, and they've moved to the Republican Party in recent decades.
"There's a tendency that helps Republicans here and it's mainly because of age," said John Sides, a political scientist at George Washington University, describing age as "the way in which turnout patterns have most clearly worked to the Democrats' disfavor."

The chart below, via the Cook Political Report, illustrates this dynamic.
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3. Republicans Have A Mathematical Advantage In The Senate

The million-dollar question is whether Republicans will pick up the six seats (on net) needed to take back the Senate majority.

"Right now, I'd say control of the Senate is a coin-flip," said Sides. "We'll know more as the races evolve, but I'd say it's more likely to tip in Republicans' favor."

The senators who are defending their seats this November were elected in 2008, a wave election in which Democrats picked up eight seats, many of them in conservative states they ordinarily may not have won. As a result, they're defending 21 seats, including in Arkansas, North Carolina, Louisiana and Alaska, all of which lean Republican. The GOP, by contrast, is defending 15 seats -- all but one of them in conservative states where Democrats have a tougher time competing. The lone exception, Maine, features Sen. Susan Collins, a popular incumbent who is widely seen as a safe bet for re-election.
"Senate Republicans need to make up a lot of ground but are battling on favorable territory," noted McDonald.

Sides argued that Obamacare won't be a core issue but could, on balance, work against red state Democrats who helped pass the law but haven't faced voters yet.

Two important factors could cushion Democrats here. The first is incumbency and the name-recognition that comes with it. The second is the GOP's recent tendency to self-destruct on the Senate stage by nominating extreme candidates. Republicans blew their chance of winning the majority in 2010 despite a wave election, and somehow lost two seats in 2012 despite enjoying an advantage in the number and partisan tilt of states where Senate seats were up for grabs. This cycle, the Republican establishment is as determined not to repeat those mistakes as Democrats are to overcome the political winds blowing against them.

4. The House Map Is Skewed Toward The GOP

The House is where the GOP's advantage is strongest. Most analysts believe Democrats don't have a serious chance of winning (on net) the 17 seats needed to take back the majority. In fact, some political scientists project that Republicans will gain seats and slightly expand their already sizable majority of 232 seats to 200 seats.

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President Barack Obama's approval rating has declined, like most presidents in their sixth year in office, which doesn't help Democrats. Nor is the gradually improving economy expected to give Democrats the sort of boost they'd need to overcome their disadvantages in the House. On the flip-side, Republicans netted so many House seats over the last two elections that there isn't much left for the taking.

"In the House there's very little chance of a wave this year," said Sides. "I think what you see in the House is mostly a status quo election with very few seats changing hands, and with the Republican majority staying solid."

Political scientists debate the extent to which partisan redistricting following the 2010 elections helped seal the GOP's grip on the House. It certainly didn't hurt. But their more salient advantage is inherent: Democratic voters are disproportionately packed into deeply liberal urban districts, while GOP voters tend to be sprawled across the map and are especially dominant in rural regions that constitute larger chunks of the country.
 
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Republicans could have had more seats in the last several elections for the senate if they would stop putting nuts on the ballot.

I think the same thing will hold true. If they put up moderate people then yes they have a great chance. If they put up more nuts then they only have themselves to blame again when they come up short.
^ This
 

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Outside of blocking appointments there isn't too much of an upside to controlling the senate though. Obama will simply veto whatever legislation they pass and the senate will very likely flip back to the democrats in 2016, barring something unusual as the democratic senate map in 2016 is similarly favorable.
 

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I'd say less than 50%, for several reasons. First, Senate races are few enough in number than the media can do ample stories about how the Republican candidates are nuts. Second, if the Republican base is energized there's a better chance they WILL be nuts. Third, if the Pubbies feel like they can't lose they'll start talking about their social issues, which if possible are less than popular even than Obamacare. And fourth, by November the Dems will be promising a fixed Obamacare. Promise of a fixed Obamacare versus the specter of no Obamacare will likely make Democrat turnout higher than expected as the perceived stakes will be higher than normal for an off-year election.

And above all else, never underestimate the GOP's ability to assemble a circular firing squad.
 
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Outside of blocking appointments there isn't too much of an upside to controlling the senate though. Obama will simply veto whatever legislation they pass and the senate will very likely flip back to the democrats in 2016, barring something unusual as the democratic senate map in 2016 is similarly favorable.
You're probably right about 2016. From what I've read it looks like Republicans need to pick up 8-9 seats to have a chance of controlling the Senate in 2016...not likely.
 

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The GOP will pick up some seats but am skeptical of getting the majority. If the ideological self immolation is anything like the last election it's a big ask.
 

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Meh. I really don't care. The GOP doesn't deserve to win until it stops just trying to be Democrat Lite.
 

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Republicans could have had more seats in the last several elections for the senate if they would stop putting nuts on the ballot.

I think the same thing will hold true. If they put up moderate people then yes they have a great chance. If they put up more nuts then they only have themselves to blame again when they come up short.

Concur. The republicans taking the senate and gaining house seats is a done deal - unless they run some more wingnuts for some of the seats.
 

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Yup. Gay marriage in particular is ideologically in direct opposition to their supposed limited government policy.

Along with their anti marijuana legalization agenda, their anti immigration agenda, their "pro-life" agenda, and their pro military, pro law enforcement, and pro prison agendas. And let's not forget the "keep your government hands off my medicare" agenda.

If the Republicans actually believed in limited government, I'd vote for them, but the FACTS are clear as day that they don't.
 

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He doesn't say why; however, I imagine Obamacare has a lot to do with it. I know it's early, but things don't look too good right now for our friends on the left and it looks like Democrats should be more than a little concerned.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/nate-silver-to-abc-gop-has-60-shot-at-retaking-senate/



The Cook Political Report suggests similar results.
http://cookpolitical.com/senate/charts/race-ratings

Well we shall see. This guy has been wrong on a lot of stuff even the 2012 elections..LOL
 

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And above all else, never underestimate the GOP's ability to assemble a circular firing squad.

I was going to say something similar, but I like your version much better :D

That being said, if the stupid party does manage to pull of a majority win, Reid will ensure that the filibuster is re-instated on the last hour that he's majority leader. Can't let THEM have the power he deemed necessary to have for his side.
 

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I was going to say something similar, but I like your version much better :D

That being said, if the stupid party does manage to pull of a majority win, Reid will ensure that the filibuster is re-instated on the last hour that he's majority leader. Can't let THEM have the power he deemed necessary to have for his side.

That doesn't make any sense.

Reid only eliminated the filibuster on most presidential appointments, why would he reinstate that while Obama is still president? Also, considering the pretty decent likelihood that the Democrats would control the Senate again in 2016 even if a Republican wins the White House it wouldn't matter then either.