Nascar doesn't use unleaded gas?

[otispunkmeyer]

they should run pure alcomahol

 

[Czar]

does the formula1 use leaded or unleaded?

 

[biostud]

The only proof needed to show that lead can create severe brain damage, is to take a good long look at the spectators.

 

[imported_yetti]

Originally posted by: Czar
does the formula1 use leaded or unleaded?

F1 uses methanol.

Originally posted by: biostud
The only proof needed to show that lead can create severe brain damage, is to take a good long look at the spectators.

Ya sure it isn't all the inbreeding? :laugh:

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Czar
does the formula1 use leaded or unleaded?

http://www.f1technical.net/article19.html

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Czar
does the formula1 use leaded or unleaded?

http://www.f1technical.net/article19.html

thanks

At the end of the 1980s the RON 102 restraint continued, and restrictions were now applied to oxygen and nitrogen content (2% in both cases). As time went by, new restraints were established and others, such as steam pressure, density, benzene and lead content, were added. In 1992, the FIA decided that it could be illegal for a substance found in Formula 1 fuel to be missing from commercial gasoline.

Today for Formula 1, FIA adopts the same guidelines adopted by the European Parliament for commercial gasoline in Europe.

I can only assume that f1 uses unleaded gas, then how does the nascar argument that they need the leaded gas for power hold up?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Czar
does the formula1 use leaded or unleaded?

http://www.f1technical.net/article19.html

thanks

At the end of the 1980s the RON 102 restraint continued, and restrictions were now applied to oxygen and nitrogen content (2% in both cases). As time went by, new restraints were established and others, such as steam pressure, density, benzene and lead content, were added. In 1992, the FIA decided that it could be illegal for a substance found in Formula 1 fuel to be missing from commercial gasoline.

Today for Formula 1, FIA adopts the same guidelines adopted by the European Parliament for commercial gasoline in Europe.

I can only assume that f1 uses unleaded gas, then how does the nascar argument that they need the leaded gas for power hold up?

For their current engine design they do need leaded gas. To use unleaded would require a change in the valves, piston linings, and head compositions. It could be done.

 

[rudder]

See all those little airplanes flying around? Most of them use leaded gas also and they burn a lot more than nascar does. Why do they still use leaded gasoline? It has to do with World War II and the engineers at the time. They started using lead and engineers have not found a chemical alternative yet. Although some planes can run on auto gas, 70% of the GA fleet requires leaded gasoline.

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
I was glancing through ESPN.com and found this article. It shocks, and horrifies me, that the government hasn't forced them to switch. Leaded gas is terrible for the environment and for all the people that watch NASCAR events.

The worst thing is NASCAR doesn't get it.

"Without being able to keep the values lubed, the engines don't work as well and there would be continual problems," Posten said. "We just have not been able to find a solution."

This shouldn't be optional. It shouldn't matter that they would have problems, it's such an unnecessary health risk.

Ugh. I"m disgusted with NASCAR.

they use whats called PURPLE in the racing community, its a extremly high octane racing fuel....

its for a sport....good god...go hug a tree or something....dont you have aspotted owl to go protest for and make 1000's loose thier jobs over?

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: Czar
does the formula1 use leaded or unleaded?

they use and even more concentrated unleaded form.....they run higher rpms..about 16000 peak...

 

[Darkhawk28]

Who cares what Nascar does to fuel their cars? There are other battles to fight that are a million times more relevant.

 

[sandorski]

Hehe, ya Leaded Gas is quite bad, but Nascar using it isn't going to cause any Environmental problems. Especially when Leaded Gas was used for deades exclusively by every car(except Deisel) on the road at that time.

I think a better arguement against Nascar using Leaded Gas is that it(Nascar) should be used as a way to push technolgy developement, rather than cars driving in circles ad nauseum really fast.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: sandorski
I think a better arguement against Nascar using Leaded Gas is that it(Nascar) should be used as a way to push technolgy developement, rather than cars driving in circles ad nauseum really fast.

oh I agree, would be awsome to have a watchamightcallit where the teams are only limited to demensions, weight and safety. Everything else is up to the teams to improvise on

and tracks would include fast racing in f1 and some minor off roading

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: rudder
See all those little airplanes flying around? Most of them use leaded gas also and they burn a lot more than nascar does. Why do they still use leaded gasoline? It has to do with World War II and the engineers at the time. They started using lead and engineers have not found a chemical alternative yet. Although some planes can run on auto gas, 70% of the GA fleet requires leaded gasoline.

Compression and pre-ignition is everything in engines that deliver the most power for the burden of weight that they must drag. Aircraft engines obviously have to be very light for the weight. All of this just may be more related to physics than to social responsibility. Wouldn't guess a liberal would consider that!

 

[Fausto]

This is just an utterly stupid thread. The crap spewed into the air by these cars is the tiniest drop in the largest of buckets. Your lawn mowers collectively emit more crap than these cars ever will.

I'm all for the environment, but let's start with the biggest polluters and work our way down, shall we?

 

[JimKiler]

Originally posted by: Fausto
This is just an utterly stupid thread. The crap spewed into the air by these cars is the tiniest drop in the largest of buckets. Your lawn mowers collectively emit more crap than these cars ever will.

I'm all for the environment, but let's start with the biggest polluters and work our way down, shall we?

Lets not diss the thread, the guy's heart is in the right direction. I am not sure what the enviromental difference is between leaded and unleaded but I know commercial vehicles like construction trucks, and also boats are now where we should clean up the exhuast as they are not nearly as regulated as cars and will soon become the number 1 polluter soon or may have already.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: JimKiler

Originally posted by: Fausto
This is just an utterly stupid thread. The crap spewed into the air by these cars is the tiniest drop in the largest of buckets. Your lawn mowers collectively emit more crap than these cars ever will.

I'm all for the environment, but let's start with the biggest polluters and work our way down, shall we?

Lets not diss the thread, the guy's heart is in the right direction. I am not sure what the enviromental difference is between leaded and unleaded but I know commercial vehicles like construction trucks, and also boats are now where we should clean up the exhuast as they are not nearly as regulated as cars and will soon become the number 1 polluter soon or may have already.

I'm just saying this notion is basically pointless. I'd wager the cars commuting in/out of Atlanta in one day collectively emit more crap into the air than the race cars do over a single weekend of qualifying and racing. Going after them is like slapping a mosquito on your arm and saying you're trying to stamp out Malaria.

 

[JimKiler]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: JimKiler

Originally posted by: Fausto
This is just an utterly stupid thread. The crap spewed into the air by these cars is the tiniest drop in the largest of buckets. Your lawn mowers collectively emit more crap than these cars ever will.

I'm all for the environment, but let's start with the biggest polluters and work our way down, shall we?

Lets not diss the thread, the guy's heart is in the right direction. I am not sure what the enviromental difference is between leaded and unleaded but I know commercial vehicles like construction trucks, and also boats are now where we should clean up the exhuast as they are not nearly as regulated as cars and will soon become the number 1 polluter soon or may have already.

I'm just saying this notion is basically pointless. I'd wager the cars commuting in/out of Atlanta in one day collectively emit more crap into the air than the race cars do over a single weekend of qualifying and racing. Going after them is like slapping a mosquito on your arm and saying you're trying to stamp out Malaria.

Thus I said we need to focus on the unregulated boats and commercial vehicles. We don't have to attack this guy. Never make fun of someone for being ignorant, unless they want to stay ignorant.

 

[Rhin0]

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Find something more important to be outraged about. Leaded gas is not that big a deal. Just like leaded paint, leaded pencils, etc. Sure lead exposure can cause harm in huge amounts but the amount being put out by a race is minimal. Think about this. If leaded gas is so very bad then why aren't race car drivers dropping dead left and right from cancer?

Probably because most of the chronic effects of lead are not cancer, that is why, Heh.
At college we have been wanting to take a trip to a NASCAR event for the day and watch the race. While we are there we are going to run our personal air monitors on a few of us (in different spots) then analyze it in the lab and send out what we can't do. We are going to get measurements for lead concentrations.

2-3 ug/dL of blood is normal but I have seen some people up in the 30-40's (acute lvl) and they start showing some extremely odd behavior. They forgot things you told them 5 mins ago, general forgetfullness, and all other sorts of strange stuff. Lead is bad stuff right up there with asbestos. I grew up in a house with lead paint and asbestos though. Too many factors kept me safe hehe

 

[Rhin0]

Originally posted by: Fausto
This is just an utterly stupid thread. The crap spewed into the air by these cars is the tiniest drop in the largest of buckets. Your lawn mowers collectively emit more crap than these cars ever will.

I'm all for the environment, but let's start with the biggest polluters and work our way down, shall we?

Biggest polluter is automobiles. Try to take a drive in Atlanta, LA, Columbus, Cleveland during rush hour and you'll know why right away. The # of cars is absurd! But you are right this is a limited sporting event, like once a week. Truly is a drop in the bucket!

BTW- my John Deere and Kawi lawnmowers both run very clean. They both meet EPA emissions standards for either 06 or 07

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Rhin0

Originally posted by: Fausto
This is just an utterly stupid thread. The crap spewed into the air by these cars is the tiniest drop in the largest of buckets. Your lawn mowers collectively emit more crap than these cars ever will.

I'm all for the environment, but let's start with the biggest polluters and work our way down, shall we?

Biggest polluter is automobiles. Try to take a drive in Atlanta, LA, Columbus, Cleveland during rush hour and you'll know why right away. The # of cars is absurd! But you are right this is a limited sporting event, like once a week. Truly is a drop in the bucket!

BTW- my John Deere and Kawi lawnmowers both run very clean. They both meet EPA emissions standards for either 06 or 07

Largest non-point source in Atlanta are the cars. Largest point source is GA Power and the coal-fired plants.

 

[Rhin0]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Rhin0

Originally posted by: Fausto
This is just an utterly stupid thread. The crap spewed into the air by these cars is the tiniest drop in the largest of buckets. Your lawn mowers collectively emit more crap than these cars ever will.

I'm all for the environment, but let's start with the biggest polluters and work our way down, shall we?

Biggest polluter is automobiles. Try to take a drive in Atlanta, LA, Columbus, Cleveland during rush hour and you'll know why right away. The # of cars is absurd! But you are right this is a limited sporting event, like once a week. Truly is a drop in the bucket!

BTW- my John Deere and Kawi lawnmowers both run very clean. They both meet EPA emissions standards for either 06 or 07

Largest non-point source in Atlanta are the cars. Largest point source is GA Power and the coal-fired plants.

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Rhin0

Originally posted by: Fausto
This is just an utterly stupid thread. The crap spewed into the air by these cars is the tiniest drop in the largest of buckets. Your lawn mowers collectively emit more crap than these cars ever will.

I'm all for the environment, but let's start with the biggest polluters and work our way down, shall we?

Biggest polluter is automobiles. Try to take a drive in Atlanta, LA, Columbus, Cleveland during rush hour and you'll know why right away. The # of cars is absurd! But you are right this is a limited sporting event, like once a week. Truly is a drop in the bucket!

BTW- my John Deere and Kawi lawnmowers both run very clean. They both meet EPA emissions standards for either 06 or 07

Largest non-point source in Atlanta are the cars. Largest point source is GA Power and the coal-fired plants.

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Rhin0

Originally posted by: Fausto
This is just an utterly stupid thread. The crap spewed into the air by these cars is the tiniest drop in the largest of buckets. Your lawn mowers collectively emit more crap than these cars ever will.

I'm all for the environment, but let's start with the biggest polluters and work our way down, shall we?

Biggest polluter is automobiles. Try to take a drive in Atlanta, LA, Columbus, Cleveland during rush hour and you'll know why right away. The # of cars is absurd! But you are right this is a limited sporting event, like once a week. Truly is a drop in the bucket!

BTW- my John Deere and Kawi lawnmowers both run very clean. They both meet EPA emissions standards for either 06 or 07

Largest non-point source in Atlanta are the cars. Largest point source is GA Power and the coal-fired plants.

Yep, both are the biggest polluters in their category.

If you are talking about NOx (nitrogen dioxides) then motor vehicles are the main source. This gets you your acid precip and a main component to smog. Same with CO2, majority from autos (cat converters, oh yeah). Still get a lot of CO2 from fuel burning though. If you are talking about SOx (sulfur dioxides) then fuel combustion/electrical utils have that in the bag. New tech coal fired power plants are a lot cleaner than you think though. Fluidized bed tech along with other pollution control equipment make them beloved patriot-and-span compared to the pollution snorting monsters they were just a decade or two ago. Those are a few of the big six. I think one of the worst though is PM (2.5 and 10) and that comes from a lot of sources, those 2.5's are scary. They get into places in your lungs where they are never getting out. Industry and powerplants get most of the award for particulate matter. Then you have carbon monoxide, oh thats a goody! Lots more likely to be picked up in your blood than oxygen. YUMMY YUMMY.


This NASCAR "outrage" is funny though. Most of the lead in the air today is from metal processing plants.

 

[KingPhil]

I hate government regulation, but who cares haha

 

[dmcowen674]

Who is targeting the weekend races?

Republicraps or Democraps???

 

[Stunt]

No nascar in Canada
just clean fresh air!