NASA wants you to suggest HOW TO LIVE on MARS and win 15K USD

IronWing

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Build a dam on the grand canal and it's water skiing paradise. Jump the wake at 0.38G, yeeee haaaaa!
 

z1ggy

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Air
Food
Hookers
Blow

I'll take my money via certified bank check or Paypal, thanks.
 

Puppies04

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Am I allowed multi-vitamins as well? Not sure how long I would last on just chocolate bars.
 

Newell Steamer

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The Solver is asked to describe one or more Mars surface systems/capabilities and operations needed to achieve this goal that are, to the greatest extent possible, technically achievable, economically sustainable, and minimize (ideally, eliminate) reliance on support from Earth.

This is unpossible. Mars is a dead planet. We will need to suck on Earth's teat forever in order to live on Mars. Unless they find some sort of underground water source and life (plants, mold, slime,.. anything we can process and eat).
 

norseamd

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Well obviously you need to send regular unmanned cargo missions not only when setting up the outpost but to sustain it also. The less you have to send the less expensive and problematic sustaining the outpost is going to be for everyone.

Some type of local food production is required. Also you are going to need a very thorough and complete interior atmosphere control platform. Plus some ways of locally finding O2 and H2O plus other chemicals.
 

Jaepheth

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Far future tech: Push every asteroid in the asteroid belt onto a collision course with Mars to increase its mass and gravity. Maybe also push Ganymede out of Jupiter orbit and into Mars to further increase its mass and water supply.
Mars should be much simpler to terraform now that it'll be better at holding an atmosphere and greenhouse gasses.


Nearer Future tech: Populate with solar powered machines and trans-humans.


Current Tech (The Australian method): Send all criminals to Mars and have them figure it out on site (death is a great motivator, and necessity the mother of invention)
 

Rakehellion

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This is unpossible. Mars is a dead planet. We will need to suck on Earth's teat forever in order to live on Mars. Unless they find some sort of underground water source and life (plants, mold, slime,.. anything we can process and eat).

You can bring plants and recycle water.
 

norseamd

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The failed experiment?

There were many technical problems but they were sometimes able to work those out perfectly fine. The political problems are what trashed the whole experiment. Regardless the concept is what is important here. And any outpost away from Earth is going to need to recycle at lest most of their basic resources.
 

Newell Steamer

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I don't care how perfect you get to building a biodome/sphere on Mars - shit will go wrong and it has, even on Earth;
Among the problems and miscalculations encountered in the first mission were overstocked fish dying and clogging filtration systems, unanticipated condensation making the "desert" too wet, population explosions of greenhouse ants and cockroaches, and morning glories overgrowing the "rainforest", blocking out other plants. In addition, construction itself was a challenge, such as manipulating the bodies of water to have waves and tidal changes was a difficulty.[20][21]

There was controversy when the public learned that the project had allowed an injured member to leave and return, carrying new material inside. The team claimed the only new supplies brought in were plastic bags, but others accused them of bringing food and other items. More criticism was raised when it was learned that, likewise, the project had been pumping oxygen inside, to make up for a failure in the balance of the system that resulted in the amount of oxygen steadily declining.[22]

The oxygen inside the facility, which began at 20.9%, fell at a steady pace and after 16 months was down to 14.5%. This is equivalent to the oxygen availability at an elevation of 4,080 meters (13,400 ft).[23] Since some biospherians were starting to have symptoms like sleep apnea and fatigue, Walford and the medical team decided to boost oxygen with injections in January and August 1993.

Daily fluctuation of carbon dioxide dynamics was typically 600 ppm because of the strong drawdown during sunlight hours by plant photosynthesis, followed by a similar rise during the nighttime when system respiration dominated. As expected, there was also a strong seasonal signature to CO2 levels, with wintertime levels as high as 4,000-4,500 ppm and summertime levels near 1,000 ppm. The crew worked to manage the CO2 by occasionally turning on a CO2 scrubber, activating and de-activating the desert and savannah through control of irrigation water, cutting and storing biomass to sequester carbon, and utilizing all potential planting areas with fast-growing species to increase system photosynthesis.[24]

Many suspected the drop in oxygen was due to microbes in the soil.[citation needed] The soils were selected to have enough carbon to provide for the plants of the ecosystems to grow from infancy to maturity, a plant mass increase of perhaps 20 tons (18,000 kg).[25] The release rate of that soil carbon as carbon dioxide by respiration of soil microbes was an unknown that the Biosphere 2 experiment was designed to reveal.[citation needed]

The respiration rate was faster than the photosynthesis (possibly in part due to relatively low light penetration through the glazed structure) resulting in a slow decrease of oxygen. A mystery accompanied the oxygen decline: the corresponding increase in carbon dioxide did not appear. This concealed the underlying process until an investigation by Jeff Severinghaus and Wallace Broecker of Columbia University's Lamont Doherty Earth Observatory using isotopic analysis showed that carbon dioxide was reacting with exposed concrete inside Biosphere 2 to form calcium carbonate, thereby sequestering both carbon and oxygen.[26]

And, a 260 (every 1.6 years) to 500 day trip to relief and replenish wasted/spoiled resources is too long.

If this biosphere is screwed, then so is everything inside, because there is no turning back.

I've said this before in a similar thread; we'll have to dump cruise ship sized containers of water, materials and oxygen tanks, in the hundreds (if not thousands), each trip.

Mars is not Earth - we can't just rely on Mars' environment as a fall back when things go wrong, much like how you can in the Earth's wilderness. You lose your tent on Earth, you still have air, water and some from of natural shelter. You lose your bioshpere on Mars, you have nothing.
 

Rakehellion

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I don't care how perfect you get to building a biodome/sphere on Mars - shit will go wrong and it has, even on Earth;

Okay, so don't fuck up this time. People are destroying Earth's ecosystem too. We have the technology, just not enough research so far.
 

Braznor

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Nobody needs to live on Mars. Just fake it with a documentary.

Cue the moon landing denying conspiracy theorists in. ;)
 

IronWing

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There were many technical problems but they were sometimes able to work those out perfectly fine. The political problems are what trashed the whole experiment. Regardless the concept is what is important here. And any outpost away from Earth is going to need to recycle at lest most of their basic resources.
They ran out of food and air.