NASA budget increased by 6%!!!! 2.4 billion more

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yay, more spending money we dont have! Woohoo!

you know a better idea/theory to stimulate our dying economy?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Yeah, at a time when the economy is in shambles and we're looking at the greatest debt in history, we should throw a few more billion towards something like nasa :roll:

Right... because the point of life is to make enough money so you can breed successfully and make more of your kind, right?

The one thing that separates us from all the other random collections of amino acids that have evolved on this planet is our intellect, and our ability to see beyond our own instinctual, biological desires. Our curiosity is what has gotten us to this point in history. Our curiosity has led to civilization, and to our dominance over every other form of life on the planet. Our curiosity has allowed our species to flourish on this planet, and to such an extent that our massive population is actually becoming a detriment.

NASA is the embodiment of human evolution. It is the cradle for that intangible aspect of humanity that separates us from all other known animals. It's the place where the most generic, raw questions can still be asked (and even answered!) -- why are we here? How does the universe work?

If you actually think that NASA is a waste of money, and that its paltry 18 billion dollar budget is 18 billion too much, then I weep for the future of humanity. Acting in our own self-interest, saying "screw the unknown, I need a nicer house," puts us at about the same level as the mildly-intelligent tree-swingers of the monkey world.

Do you really think it's more important to turn the 800 billion dollar bailout into an 802 billion dollar bailout, than to try and answer some of the most profound and fundamental questions that have ever been asked?

Or maybe we should try to save our economy from collapse so we'll have the opportunity to explore in the future. Maybe we should focus on immediate survival instead of how we'll live on the moon in 50 years. Maybe we should put the fire out in our house before we start looking for beach houses for summering.

How's that sound kiddo?

Than you should perhaps start cutting off individuals from Welfare and allow a survival of the fittest. Many ways we could save money, as it stands, the amount spent on Nasa is a drop in the bucket and not even worth really discussing one way or the other in regards to the overall picture which you seem to be missing.


It is sad the people who oppose the bailout are too busy nitpicking the small shit when ignoring the massive hundred of billions going to few things. It is happening on every level from the forums to the top of the party and is truly allowing the democrats to pick the country clean in some grand ill thought out endeavour of "save the economy" that is built on fear.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yay, more spending money we dont have! Woohoo!

you know a better idea/theory to stimulate our dying economy?

No, i'm fully on board here. We will spend our way out of this mess! I think we just need a few more bailouts.

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Yay, more spending money we dont have! Woohoo!

you know a better idea/theory to stimulate our dying economy?

No, i'm fully on board here. We will spend our way out of this mess! I think we just need a few more bailouts.

I hate bailouts as much as you do, however, if we let giant business fail now, more people are going to lose jobs and worsen our economics.. when our economy get better, we definately need to kill these giant businesses that needed bailouts.

NASA spending on the other hand, is a good infrastructure spending.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

I hate bailouts as much as you do, however, if we let giant business fail now, more people are going to lose jobs and worsen our economics..

Business that is meant to fail is going to fail anyway. Pumping them with money only delays it. Ask AIG how getting government cheese has worked out.


We need to cut up the credit cards here. China isnt going to back us forever, no matter how hard Hillary begs.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

I hate bailouts as much as you do, however, if we let giant business fail now, more people are going to lose jobs and worsen our economics..

Ask AIG how getting government cheese has worked out.

That government cheese was some of the best around. Too bad they cut it out. They always stop the good things

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31


Business that is meant to fail is going to fail anyway. Pumping them with money only delays it. Ask AIG how getting government cheese has worked out.

you are right.

but if they do fail now, isn't there a possibility of instant economic collapse within our already weak economy?

I have no problem with letting them fail in regular times...

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
A budget of like 800 trillion dollars and Nasa gets 2.6 billion more? I am pretty sure ACORN is getting more than that.

Yeah sure, just punch in any amount you want and it will materialize.

Isnt that what this administration is currently doing?

No, they are not printing it. They have plenty of $$$ in the federal reserves.

wow you are far beyond retarded.

You know this is exactly the attitude most Americans have, they don't like working, they don't like reading books or going to college and want big payouts and they blame government for waging wars, foreign nationals for stealing their jobs, banks and insurance companies- all these existed long back and will continue to exists. This misery you have created for yourself - you alone are responsible for it and you alone can fix it- not the government, not Obama. Just yesterday I was reading a thread here about not working if you win a big lottery. So I suggest you start reading economics before you argue with me and please don't make me show my Harvard business degree just to convince you, I'm quite done with this thread.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: Ocguy31


Business that is meant to fail is going to fail anyway. Pumping them with money only delays it. Ask AIG how getting government cheese has worked out.

you are right.

but if they do fail now, isn't there a possibility of instant economic collapse within our already weak economy?

I have no problem with letting them fail in regular times...

If failure is inevitable, it is better to take the pain now than to draw it out. You cant begin to recover from something that you keep putting off with magic money.

We are paying our credit card bill with another credit card. At some point it is better to declare bankruptsy and start again.

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

If failure is inevitable, it is better to take the pain now than to draw it out. You cant begin to recover from something that you keep putting off with magic money.

We are paying our credit card bill with another credit card. At some point it is better to declare bankruptsy and start again.

I don't know... going into a depression is kinda scary...

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

If failure is inevitable, it is better to take the pain now than to draw it out. You cant begin to recover from something that you keep putting off with magic money.

We are paying our credit card bill with another credit card. At some point it is better to declare bankruptsy and start again.

I don't know... going into a depression is kinda scary...

So when does it end then? It is starting to get beyond disgusting....

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
A budget of like 800 trillion dollars and Nasa gets 2.6 billion more? I am pretty sure ACORN is getting more than that.

Yeah sure, just punch in any amount you want and it will materialize.

Isnt that what this administration is currently doing?

No, they are not printing it. They have plenty of $$$ in the federal reserves.

wow you are far beyond retarded.

You know this is exactly the attitude most Americans have, they don't like working, they don't like reading books or going to college and want big payouts and they blame government for waging wars, foreign nationals for stealing their jobs, banks and insurance companies- all these existed long back and will continue to exists. This misery you have created for yourself - you alone are responsible for it and you alone can fix it- not the government, not Obama. Just yesterday I was reading a thread here about not working if you win a big lottery. So I suggest you start reading economics before you argue with me and please don't make me show my Harvard business degree just to convince you, I'm quite done with this thread.

lol there is no way an HBS grad thinks the money at the federal reserve is the government's money to spend on the budget. If you really did I just lost the final inkling of respect i had for HBS.

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

If failure is inevitable, it is better to take the pain now than to draw it out. You cant begin to recover from something that you keep putting off with magic money.

We are paying our credit card bill with another credit card. At some point it is better to declare bankruptsy and start again.

I don't know... going into a depression is kinda scary...

So when does it end then? It is starting to get beyond disgusting....

I concur... no right or wrong here.. only future can tell whether these bailouts are good or bad...

 

[ericlp]

Well, maybe when we stop spending money in Iraq, we can spend even more on NASA. I see this as a good thing being the tech/science person I am. I hope we do one day get off this rock called earth.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: ericlp
Well, maybe when we stop spending money in Iraq, we can spend even more on NASA. I see this as a good thing being the tech/science person I am. I hope we do one day get off this rock called earth.

You are the problem. You dont see a problem with spending money we dont have, as long as it is spent on something you agree with.

See you at the bread lines.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Waste of time. We need a worldwide space organisation working in tandem. Instead of $18.7 billion, they could have $100 billion budget and the best people in the world working on the problems.

Just like everything else though, space exploration has been hijacked by nationalism.

 

[jpeyton]

If you voted for him, you're elated with this news. This is exactly what he promised to do, and he delivered.

If you didn't vote for him, enjoy the next eight years.

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
Waste of time. We need a worldwide space organisation working in tandem. Instead of $18.7 billion, they could have $100 billion budget and the best people in the world working on the problems.

Just like everything else though, space exploration has been hijacked by nationalism.

reality to stinky pinky, space exploration was fueled by nationalism.

 

[Freshgeardude]

edit: wrong forum lol

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: freshgeardude
Link

NASA and NOAA will receive additional funds for research and development purposes

President Barack Obama followed through on a promise to give more money to NASA, offering a 6 percent increase -- up to $18.7 billion -- from President George W. Bush's monetary request in 2008.

"This budget ensures NASA maintains its global leadership in Earth and space research, and it advances global climate change studies, funds a robust program of human and robotic space exploration, allows us to realize the full potential of the International Space Station, advances development of new space transportation, and renews our commitment to aeronautics," according to NASA Administrator Christopher Scolese.

The $18.7 billion budget gives NASA an additional $2.4 billion, and Obama wants more research into climate change and space exploration. Similar to Bush, Obama also hopes to launch a manned mission to the moon, and have space probes explore Mars.

"NASA will develop new space-based research sensors in support of the administration's goal to deploy a global climate research and monitoring system," the new budget says.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) will also get a $1.3 billion boost to create new weather satellites in the years to come.

NASA is scheduled to retire the current generation of space shuttles next year, and will be without a way to ferry astronauts and supplies into space until at least 2014 or 2015. Until the next-generation rocket system and shuttle is completed, NASA will be forced to rely on Russia to get back to the ISS.

The additional funds will hopefully help NASA launch a manned mission to the moon by 2020, as several other space stations aim to complete the same task.

There was a growing concern that the U.S. space agency would fall further behind other space nations because of monetary issues, while Russia and China continue to give more resources to their space programs. It's still possible the Obama administration could militarize NASA to give the program another much needed cash boost. It will likely all depend on how far along the Ares I development is, and whether or not the technology will be ready for launch in 2015.

I am very happy. This was one of the problems I had with obama. I am glad he listened and will give the money to nasa


moon- on planned schedule!

I remember watching a Bullshit! episode about Nasa. Penn and Teller ripped on Nasa big time, but said the one thing they do VERY well is just regular science.

I wonder what they'll do with this extra funding.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
A budget of like 800 trillion dollars and Nasa gets 2.6 billion more? I am pretty sure ACORN is getting more than that.

Yeah sure, just punch in any amount you want and it will materialize.

Don't forget $900 million for Hamas, I'm sure it's stimulative.

 

[Cattlegod]

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod

Aberforth... money spent on science is "lost"??

No, I am talking about qualitative use of science with responsibility. Just because you have the money and technology doesn't mean you have to send rockets and probes every time. Space Station costs $250bn.....honestly most experiments they do there can be simulated here on earth. And do you think nukes have anyway benefited mankind- it's also derived from science right? scientific research isn't bad but you must be clear of your goals, not hypothesize your research or gamble with people's money.

For the good of mankind.

exactly. like sending one more god damned spider into space to spin a web is going to tell us anything.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: ericlp
Well, maybe when we stop spending money in Iraq, we can spend even more on NASA. I see this as a good thing being the tech/science person I am. I hope we do one day get off this rock called earth.

You are the problem. You dont see a problem with spending money we dont have, as long as it is spent on something you agree with.

The government doesn't have money for a lot of programs during a recession. That doesn't mean we let everything rot and hope to rebuild when the economy gets better.

See you at the bread lines.

I thought you hated welfare?

 

[Freshgeardude]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: ericlp
Well, maybe when we stop spending money in Iraq, we can spend even more on NASA. I see this as a good thing being the tech/science person I am. I hope we do one day get off this rock called earth.

You are the problem. You dont see a problem with spending money we dont have, as long as it is spent on something you agree with.

The government doesn't have money for a lot of programs during a recession. That doesn't mean we let everything rot and hope to rebuild when the economy gets better.

exactly. the orion program would have costed more money to stop at this point (in terms of research) than to continue it too

 

[SigArms08]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
A budget of like 800 trillion dollars and Nasa gets 2.6 billion more? I am pretty sure ACORN is getting more than that.

Yeah sure, just punch in any amount you want and it will materialize.

Isnt that what this administration is currently doing?

No, they are not printing it. They have plenty of $$$ in the federal reserves.

wow you are far beyond retarded.

I was taking a drink when I read this, now have some of that beverage in my nose from laughing!!!