Name of accused soldier in Afghanistan released.

Hayabusa Rider

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The accused.

U.S. Identifies Army Sergeant in Killing of 16 in Afghanistan
By JAMES DAO
Published: March 16, 2012


The military on Friday identified the soldier accused of killing 16 Afghan villagers earlier this week as Staff Sgt. Robert Bales, a 38-year-old father of two who had been injured twice in combat over the course of four deployments and had, his lawyer said, an exemplary military record.

A soldier identified as Staff Sgt. Robert Bales, left, appeared in this photo and in an article in High Desert Warrior, a military Web site, in 2011. The article and photo have been removed.

The release of Sergeant Bales’s name, first reported by Fox News, ended an extraordinary six-day blackout of public information about him from the Pentagon, which said it had withheld his identity so long because of concerns about his and his family’s security.

An official said on Friday that Sergeant Bales was being transferred from Kuwait to Fort Leavenworth, Kan., home of the Army’s maximum security prison. His wife and children were moved from their home in Lake Tapps, Wash., east of Tacoma, onto Joint Base Lewis-McChord, his home base, earlier this week.

Military officials say Sergeant Bales, who has yet to be formally charged, left his small combat outpost in the Panjwai district of Kandahar Province early in the morning last Sunday, walked into two nearby villages and there shot or stabbed 16 people, 9 of them children.

Little more than the outlines of Sergeant Bales’s life are publicly known. His family lived in Lake Tapps, a community about 20 miles northeast of his Army post. NBC reported that he was from Ohio, and he may have lived there until he joined the Army at 27. Sergeant Bales’s Seattle-based lawyer, John Henry Browne, said several members of the sergeant’s family moved to Washington since he was assigned to Joint Base Lewis-McChord.

Mr. Browne said he joined the Army right after the attacks of 9/11 and then spent almost all of his Army career at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, where he was part of the Third Stryker Brigade in the Second Infantry Division, named after the eight-wheeled armored Stryker vehicles.

The killings have severely undermined longstanding NATO efforts to win support from villages in Kandahar, the birthplace of the Taliban, and have shaken relations with the government of President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan, who this week told Secretary of Defense Leon E. Panetta, who was on a visit to Afghanistan, that he wanted American forces out of Afghan villages by next year.

Pentagon officials, who have been scouring the sergeant’s military and health records for clues, have said little about what they think motivated the killings. But one senior government official said Thursday that Sergeant Bales had been drinking alcohol before the killings and that he might have had marital problems.

“When it all comes out, it will be a combination of stress, alcohol and domestic issues — he just snapped,” said the official, who had been briefed on the investigation and spoke on the condition of anonymity because the sergeant has not yet been charged.

But Mr. Browne has disputed those assertions, telling reporters on Thursday that the sergeant’s marriage was sound and questioning reports about drinking. On the day before the shootings, he said, the sergeant had seen a fellow soldier lose his leg from a buried mine.

Mr. Browne, who said he had had only limited conversations with Sergeant Bales because he was worried that the phone calls were being monitored, added that Sergeant Bales had thought he could avoid this deployment. “He was told that he was not going to be redeployed,” Mr. Browne said. “The family was counting on him not being redeployed. And so he and the family were told that his tours in the Middle East were over.”

He added, “I think that it would be fair to say that he and the family were not happy that he was going back.”

Over the course of the decade, Sergeant Bales was deployed three times to Iraq, including for 15 months between June 2006 and September 2007, during the height of the civil war and at the beginning of what became known as the surge. During that tour, his battalion, the Second Battalion, Third Infantry Regiment, was involved in a major battle in the city of Najaf while trying to recover a downed Apache helicopter.

On his third tour, in 2010, a Humvee carrying Sergeant Bales flipped over, possibly because of a roadside bomb, Mr. Browne said. Sergeant Bales injured his head and probably sustained a minor traumatic brain injury, a common injury that, in chronic cases, can lead to short-term memory loss and other cognitive problems, as well as a loss of impulse control.

Mr. Browne said the sergeant also lost part of a foot, also apparently from an explosive device. It was not clear whether he might have also sustained another traumatic brain injury in that episode.

Court records show that Sergeant Bales was charged with assault in 2002, but that the charge was dismissed. In 2008, he was charged with a hit-and-run involving a parked car, but that too was dropped, the records indicate.

Though the Army has said nothing about its investigation, investigators have been pouring through Sergeant Bales’s evaluations, health records and computers in search of telltale information. But Mr. Browne said his client’s record was good and that he had been awarded a number of medals.

“He’s never said anything antagonistic about Muslims,” Mr. Browne said. “He’s in general been very mild mannered.”

Joint Base Lewis-McChord has come under intense scrutiny because of a string of problems in recent years. In 2010, rogue soldiers from another Stryker brigade murdered three Afghan civilians during combat episodes staged by the soldiers. Earlier this year, the Army opened investigations into the base’s Madigan Army Medical Center after soldiers complained that diagnoses of post-traumatic stress disorder were being changed or dismissed.

Some advocates for active duty troops and veterans say the problems demonstrate that the sprawling base, the Army’s largest on the West Coast, with nearly 40,000 soldiers, was not prepared to handle the strain of repeated deployments. Between 2009 and 2010, when Sergeant Bales was on his third deployment to Iraq, about 18,000 soldiers from the post were sent to war zones, and almost all returned at roughly the same time, overwhelming base services, the critics contend.

But on Friday, the general in charge of managing military bases said that the installation was not under an exceptional amount of strain from multiple deployments and was not seeing an unusual number of crimes or mental health issues, at least when compared with other bases nationwide.

“There’s nothing different here than most places,” said Gen. David M. Rodriguez, the commanding general of the United States Army Forces Command. “Again, those things happen. Everybody knows that doesn’t reflect our standards and our values, nor does it reflect the majority of leaders and soldiers who serve here every day as well as overseas.”

I can understand that his name would eventually be released, but this means his family's life isn't worth two cents.

Sad all the way around.
 

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a 38-year-old father of two who had been injured twice in combat over the course of four deployments and had, his lawyer said, an exemplary military record.

Have there been any wars in history that have demanded this kind of extended sacrifice? I'd imagine it's enough to make many men snap. To the extent there were extended wars in earlier centuries, people would have probably been killed or would have been allowed to commit atrocities. Now soldiers are faced with the real possibility of tour after tour of "low intensity conflict" where medical science can put you back into the fight over and over again. Even if medical science could repair people's psyches after each tour, we would probably want to heed the signs that it's time to stop asking people to do this for such a tangential cause.
 

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I have to agree with Haynasusa Rider, releasing his name can only have the effect of damaging his family.

As we as a nation asks, how could a fine soldier have gone so wrong? As military authorities ask, should we seek the death penalty for his crimes. Or alternately we could ask, should we turn him over to Afghan authorities, who might apply Sharia law remedies?

Maybe bury him in sand up to his neck and let the relatives of those he killed throw rocks at his head until he is dead? Would that fix the damages he caused and redeem the Nato turd of an Afghan ten year occupation?

As for me, I have to look higher up the Nato military command, as he came from the same military division as those that pissed on dead Afghan copses, burned Korans, with no alarm bells going off in the Nato command. Nor should we forget SGT Bales clearly suffered from post traumatic stress along with most of his overly deployed compatriots, yet some ahole in higher division command canceled at least 3000 such post traumatic stress diagnoses. And gave him a clean bill of health. And when finally Sgt Bales inevitably snapped along with many of his fellow soldiers, we should only blame him and not our defective higher command.

As for me, color me totally disgusted, as my sympathy goes to the Afghan people and SGT Bales family.
 

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As for me, color me totally disgusted, as my sympathy goes to the Afghan people and SGT Bales family.

My sympathy goes to all of them. i don't think many (if any) of us civilians who haven't participated in life and death combat can relate to the stressors at play here.

Judge not least ye be judged.
 

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My sympathy goes to all of them. i don't think many (if any) of us civilians who haven't participated in life and death combat can relate to the stressors at play here.

Judge not least ye be judged.

I think your quote is a bit out of context since lemon was actually defending the guy.

It definitely sounds like ptsd to me, blind rages and uncontrollable anger can be a part of the disorder while its untreated. Sometimes even when it is. Still would need more info but its clear this guy hit his breaking point. As war continues this type of thing will happen more often.

My hope is that this might cool some of the Iran war mongering going on, but it wont realistically.

I also wanted to say that going through combat yourself isnt a requirement to relating to a soldier. You can empathize if you listen well. Its more important to be with the person in their suffering than it is to have personal experience with similar events.
 
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sportage

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Naturally the Afghans are going to hate us now and forever more.
When something the likes of this happens, even in America, people do not reason it out.
It boils down to a simple black & white issue.
It doesn't matter if this guy was drunk, crazy, or whatever.
The only two facts that matter to Afghans are that #1 we are there, and #2 Afghans died.
This is a universal reaction to tragedy.
There is nothing we can say or do to change their hatred.
 

yllus

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I have never been a fan of releasing the names of the accused. Not unless they are actually pronounced guilty.
 

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Have there been any wars in history that have demanded this kind of extended sacrifice? I'd imagine it's enough to make many men snap. To the extent there were extended wars in earlier centuries, people would have probably been killed or would have been allowed to commit atrocities. Now soldiers are faced with the real possibility of tour after tour of "low intensity conflict" where medical science can put you back into the fight over and over again. Even if medical science could repair people's psyches after each tour, we would probably want to heed the signs that it's time to stop asking people to do this for such a tangential cause.

no shit.

he was sopposed to go home after his 3rd deployment. then was told nope you gotta do a 4th.

he has been injured a few times and one of them being brain damage.

I place much of the blame the military for this. that's to much for a person to be forced to endure.
 

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I think we need to being back the draft. And no college exceptions either. Everyone lines up and gets shaved and prepped for war. Americans love war, fine you want permawar then let's start bringing the green busses back into the neighborhoods and collect fresh bodies for the war machine.

Let's see how long this Merica fuck yeah moar war attitude will last in this country.
 

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I think we need to being back the draft. And no college exceptions either. Everyone lines up and gets shaved and prepped for war. Americans love war, fine you want permawar then let's start bringing the green busses back into the neighborhoods and collect fresh bodies for the war machine.

Let's see how long this Merica fuck yeah moar war attitude will last in this country.

So how many people here do you see saying we haven't stayed long enough?
 

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So how many people here do you see saying we haven't stayed long enough?
It's easy to say the USA isn't a belligerent country when, a decade into a war, the country is getting weary of it. Even porn stars need a rest down there sometimes.
 

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So how many people here do you see saying we haven't stayed long enough?

Wasn't there a poll where a majority of Americans wanted to invade Iran or something?

Seems like we go through this same bullshit cycle over and over again: Americans want war -> Turns out the war was a lie and a calamity -> Americans turn against the war.

I think the rest of these idiots need to participate and maybe we can break this cycle of stupidity.
 

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It's easy to say the USA isn't a belligerent country when, a decade into a war, the country is getting weary of it. Even porn stars need a rest down there sometimes.

It's not belligerence, it's being disconnected. Nothing changes for most people. War is an abstraction, something we hire people to do for us, like take away the trash.

Robert E Lee once said
It is well that war is so terrible. We should grow too fond of it.

Well we went there and beyond. What horror does it hold for most? None at all, yet perhaps worse is when war becomes reality the general public have no cause to give it a second thought.

Yet many of us need a clear justification and a basis for ongoing war and other than pride there is no reason for fighting in Afghanistan. Obama is squandering lives to save face. That's not good enough.
 

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There is no nation building in Afghanistan anyways, Karzai is not even trying to hide his pro-Jihadi-Taliban feelings anymore. Once we leave the place is going to revert back to its 700AD "blast from the past"Muhammed loving ways and that will be that.
 

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I can understand that his name would eventually be released, but this means his family's life isn't worth two cents.

Sad all the way around.

I've been thinking the delay in announcing his name was to relocate his family.

If not, they may be soon dead.

Fern
 

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I've been thinking the delay in announcing his name was to relocate his family.

If not, they may be soon dead.

Fern

There safe on a base and yes, it was intended to get them to safety. What happens later? Thel need something like the witness protection program. I hope thats offered.
 

Fern

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There safe on a base and yes, it was intended to get them to safety. What happens later? Thel need something like the witness protection program. I hope thats offered.

Yeah, that's what I've been thinking.

New name, relocated etc.

Fern
 

Lemon law

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VietNam was the war of my youth, thank God I never got drafted. But many of my friends went in gung ho, thinking they were fighting for freedom and the American way. As they bought American propaganda hook line and sinker.

And later learned that they were being used to prop up a turd of a system and war machine, that clearly did not operate in any way in the interests of the Vietnamese people.

But when put in a kill or be killed situation, its human nature to opt for survival. So why do we assume the Sgt Bales was a gung ho soldier instead of someone totally soured on a phony war he could no longer believe in?

At least those US Vietnamese draftees could get out in 2 or 3 years, US reservists and regular army grunts can only look forward to 4 or more tours of duties and perpetual disillusionment and life threatening danger. There are always limits beyond the point no one can withstand.

And its sad if someone agrees with me on the limited point, without realizing the Afghan people have not been in that same boat for far longer.
 

sportage

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More dead innocents due to the greedy power mongering American President Obama.

Uh...
#1. P.O. didn't get us into this mess.
#2. As every American now knows all too well, it is a lot easier to get into a war and near impossible to get out of one. Especially when outright winning is no longer an option.

Did we not learn anything from Vietnam ?????

God forbid someone like Romney should every get the keys to the war machine.
 

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Uh...
#1. P.O. didn't get us into this mess.
#2. As every American now knows all too well, it is a lot easier to get into a war and near impossible to get out of one. Especially when outright winning is no longer an option.

Did we not learn anything from Vietnam ?????

God forbid someone like Romney should every get the keys to the war machine.

Hasn't he been the President now for over 3 years ?