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NAFTA AND CAFTA and FREE TRADE

Willoughbyva

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What do you think about these agreements and the effects of these treaties on the average american? Do you theink that it has benifitted the average american or has it hurt the average american. What do you think the effects of it are on poorer americans?


I would ask how it has affected the upper class, but I think that it has helped them to a larger degree than any other socio-economical class.

Provide links if you can.
 
I don't know alot about economics, but to me I think that overall it has hurt Americans, except if you are a business owner. It has allowed people poorer people to buy stuff that they might not otherwise be able to afford, but at the same time if these jobs were here they might have higher paying jobs that would allow them to afford better things and get off of social programs. They say the forseeable imediate future there will be an increase in service sector jobs. i work in the service sector and make $6.25 a hour. I will tell you that I can not afford to keep working for this small amount of money. I will have to do something f\different in the near future to change my finances.
 
Free trade agreements with less developed economies result in a natural movement of capital from the wealthier economy to the less developed one - lower capital concentration in the poorer country makes capital more profitable there than in the wealthy country, and dropping trade barriers generally makes it easier to re-import profits.

In the very long run, the economies of freely trading nations will tend to converge given similar patterns of private savings, education, etc, but as famously state by John Maynard Keynes (and perhaps the only thing he ever said correctly) "In the long run, we're all dead."

So for example, the Canada/US free trade pact had the potential to be mutually beneficial, as the involved countries were at similar levels of economic development. Similarly free trade with Western Europe would probably benefit both the US and the European countries. Free trade with less developed economies, like Mexico (NAFTA) and the CAFTA pact will hurt American workers, especially at the unskilled-labour level, for at least a generation, and probably longer.

Don't get me wrong, the pact will result in economic growth, but the gains will accrue to capital owners and highly skilled workers, as well as unskilled labour in the poorer countries.

I'm not a big fan of protectionism, but I am a big propnent of 'history matters' and tend to believe that slowly dropping trade barriers is less risky to the stability of an economy, and preventing the degradation of income for less skilled workers in the wealthier economy. It's a significant conflict of interest for government, finding a balance between protecting the livelihoods of a large group of its own citizens, versus dropping trade barriers which, in the long run will make everyone 'better off'.
 
I support free trade as a form of aid for developing nations; 3chord has a good point in that we need to slowly progress to these free trade goals as not to put shocks through both economies (mass layoffs, inflation). Protectionism in the end will ruin your economy; it is my belief that the only reason europe hasn't experienced total collapse with protectionism, is they are able to make use of one way american trade.
 
I think that what he is saying is free trade works with similar economies and benifits them. Sort of like a synergy. It is when free trade happens with poorer/rigged economies that there is a problem.
 
Do you really see freeetrade as helping poorer countries? Most of the money is going to the upper end business people and not the people who do the nuts and bolts work. Management always gets its cut of the pie and it is no different in poorer countries than anywhere else. Except it is more lopsided than usual.
 
I think it's NOT WORKING so there is no point in discussing who it helps or benefits. If it's "free trade" the American way, it benefits the US.
 
Originally posted by: IvanAndreevich
Soo.. NAFTA rules in favour of Canada and what does US do? "Fvck you, we are not paying up"

Yup. OTOH, NAFTA has generally been a good thing, but as far as Softwood Lumber is concerned the US just keeps dragging its' feet.
 
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