Nader could be launching third party bid
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Don Vito Corleone
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Why does he choose to keep reminding us of his irrelevance? I don't think anyone has taken him seriously since he got Bush elected in 2000.
While I disagree with Nadar on a lot of things he's still an awesome guy and not a kook. Check out the documentary on him.
An unreasonable Man
An unreasonable Man
Thump553
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He's been floating trial balloons for a couple of months now. he's different from regular candidates-rather than use volunteers to circulate petitions to get on the ballot, he sends out lawyers to litigate his way onto the ballot.
I'm pretty sure he will run. This time he will not saddle us with another GWB, for he won't even rise to the status of spoiler.
Ralph Nader accomplished a lot of good earlier on in his life, but his ego has definately gotten the best of him in the political field. It's a sme because years from now he is more likely to be remembered as a political crank than for his real accomplishments.
I'm pretty sure he will run. This time he will not saddle us with another GWB, for he won't even rise to the status of spoiler.
Ralph Nader accomplished a lot of good earlier on in his life, but his ego has definately gotten the best of him in the political field. It's a sme because years from now he is more likely to be remembered as a political crank than for his real accomplishments.
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I would not underestimate his irrelevance.
Obama has a lot of independent followers.
The kind Nader draws and has drawn in the past.
All it would take is Obama to put his foot in his mouth
once too often, and bye bye Obama independents,
hello John.
Just like 2004.
Remember, elections are so close. All it takes is one state.
Obama has a lot of independent followers.
The kind Nader draws and has drawn in the past.
All it would take is Obama to put his foot in his mouth
once too often, and bye bye Obama independents,
hello John.
Just like 2004.
Remember, elections are so close. All it takes is one state.
Don Vito Corleone
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Nader had no significant impact in 2004. He definitely took the election away from Gore in 2000, however. I do not believe that even if Obama somehow disenfranchises voters, it will lead to votes for Nader.
Wouldn't Nader do more good trying to gain support for his causes rather than trying to jump up and down every election cycle for no good reason? Plus, we've already got Ron Paul...how many alternative candidates do we need who's only claim to fame is being an alternative?
Some of his core positions are best expressed in the difficulty he faces trying to get on the ballot and get a fair shake in what he believes is a two-party dictatorship. He advocates minor party rights, so it makes perfect sense for him to be the alternative candidate.
Not really. I don't like our two party system either, but changing that starts at the lower levels, where it's entirely possible that we WILL see someone other than someone with a D or R next to their name hold office. If Nader really wanted to make an impact, he'd organize a grass-roots independent movement at the state level across the country. Instead, he's just trying to make as much noise as possible every 4 years, then just go away until the next election.
There are a couple of problems with your proposal. First, I think Nader believes a "grass-roots independent movement at the state level across the country" is not yet possible because enough attention has not been given to what he perceives as the unfairness of the two-party system. For example someone from Texas can't ask for signatures to get a candidate on the ballot in Arizona--he says a federal election should have a federal system to get on the ballot in all states. He is Al Gore and global warming, bringing attention to an issue slowly over time in hopes that on day a large movement will be possible. In fact he often says minor parties may not get elected, but they are responsible for many of what he sees as the great achievements in American political history--I remember him citing social security as starting with minor parties and then being taken up by the Democrats. So his role is as an attention-getter, he would disagree that it is for "no good reason" because in his words, alternative candidates force the hand of mainstream candidates.
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whoops, he chose the wrong year
Nader got some votes when people didn't like Washington. Obama is not a typical Washington politician, so Nader has nothing to run on except for a desire for three parties. In 2004, the media was like "ouuu, Nader's running, he could lose the election for the Democrats like he did in 2000." Instead, the voters ignored him and in 2008, the media will also.You have to ask your self how long will it be before Mr. Consumer Advocate will need protection from the consumers he is supposedly advocating for.
Stick to what you know Ralph, you've had your 15 minutes.
Stick to what you know Ralph, you've had your 15 minutes.
Oh yeah! Run Ralphie run!!
In the meantime, there's a guy down the block that collects Corvairs and he doesn't understand why his life is in mortal danger ... maybe you could 'splain things to him.
In the meantime, there's a guy down the block that collects Corvairs and he doesn't understand why his life is in mortal danger ... maybe you could 'splain things to him.
It disgusts me that the Democrats tried to use legal challenges to block him from the election and had legal challenges come back to bite them in the ass.
Nader has a right to run and the public has the duty to listen to what he says. If he causes the Democrats to lose, it's too f-ing bad. Nader cost Gore the election in my opinion. I just wish the Fundies had the guts to run their own candidate.
Nader has a right to run and the public has the duty to listen to what he says. If he causes the Democrats to lose, it's too f-ing bad. Nader cost Gore the election in my opinion. I just wish the Fundies had the guts to run their own candidate.
If Nader runs, you'd have three candidates vying for the independent vote. This must be the year of the independent.
He announced! He's running!
http://youdecide08.foxnews.com...ill-run-for-president/
I hope he has a good vest ...
http://youdecide08.foxnews.com...ill-run-for-president/
I hope he has a good vest ...
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