N00b looking for best video card

[Cawchy87]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
The best video card is the X800 XT Platinum Edition. None of the 6800s will last 4 years, but the XT might for DirectX based games.

General do you ever post anything unbiased!!?!?!? How the hell did you come to that conclusion anyways? Before you post stuff like that, Stop... think... and dont do it!! Because all it does is start trouble.

Dorito for your specs here is what i suggest.

If you need prices i SUPPOSE 😉 i can get em but for now here it is: (this is a high end system)

MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum

Socket 939 AMD Athlon 64 3200+, 3500+ whichever ya want

Memory: Just get 1gig of high performance DDR 400

Soundcard: Soundblaster Audigy 2 (ZS if your going to be using 7.1 speakers)

HDD: 2x 74Gig WD raptors in RAID 0 or 1 74gig and one large IDE HDD.

Video Card: See below

However this is the high end system of this time, i PERSONALLY would definately wait another couple of months (if at all possible) for the Nforce 4 to come out, that way you dont have to waste money on a soundcard as Soundstorm 2 will be there, you can get DDR2 and a PCI-E version graphics card 🙂 that will hold ya out for a good many years 🙂, if not this will too but not quite as well. Nforce 4 is supposed to be like the ultimate thign for A64 that is coming out.

Also if you are going to be holding out for that long DO NOT get a 9800Pro. I would say get it if you are looking for a card for around 200$ and are going to upgrade in around a year but for that long, 6800GT, X800XT (PE but there is no difference between the two), oir 6800UE.

-Kevin

After considering it for a while i would have to agree. If you are getting a high end system, why skimp on the vid card? The most important part! 6800ultra or x800xt, whatever you can get your hands on. either way you are going to be dropping a lot of money.

 

[GeneralGrievous]

General do you ever post anything unbiased!!?!?!? How the hell did you come to that conclusion anyways?

Once in a while, yes. Have you considered dropping your 5900 XT beats 9800 Pro 30% of the time BS that you are spouting?

I arrived at that conclusion from ownership. The XT is much faster in many Directx games. In all likelihood none of these cards will last 4 years (the geforce 3 is around 3 years old and it got smacked around in Farcry), but if you want to try an overclocked XT is the way to go. If you are planning on SLI the 6800s are obviouisly the better option.

 

[Gamingphreek]

But do yo have any proof of my 5900XT not being beaten 70% of the time. Last time i checked it still wins or comes close in quite a few titles. Yes the 9800Pro is generally a more solid card but nonetheless so is the 5900XT, and i woint change my mind or waiver until i have seen solid proff from a respectable reviewer.

You have owned both a 6800GT, a 6800U(E), and a X800XT!?!? If you have then you have way tooo much money on your hands lol. But seriously, how did you arrive at this conclusion, it sounds that it is more opinionated. Im not saying i know as i dont have either of these cards, but judging from the reviews i would say that the 6800U(E) seems to be more future proof if you will as it (many sites including AT) has more room for driver improvement. The Geforce 6 series is a COMPLETELY new architecture as the X800's are not completely new its more older architecture that has been improved and added on to. If you dont believe this look at either the 8500 or the 5900XT at launch. Both didn't do too swell, now look at them they are doing much much better.

Please just back up your claims, and leave opinions out of the quotes unless ou provide a legit reason, or backup your claim. Im not preaching or anything its just my opinion of what keeps happening, so dont take it the wrong way.

-Kevin

 

[Marsumane]

Originally posted by: Dorito

Originally posted by: Cawchy87
6800

6800 GT

6800 Ultra

i just typed in "6800" on newegg. It probibly would be easier if you just did it yourself

9800pro

For the price what would be the best choice?

The GT is the best bang for your buck out of the top 2 nv cards (GT and Ultra) on your list. It can be overclocked to ultra speeds very easily and is $100 cheaper. If you purchased this card, it would do your system well, but your system would not do your graphics card well. What im saying, is exactly what ppl above have been saying: "Upgrade your mobo, powersupply, ram, and cpu". An amd XP3200+, An amd 64 2800+, a P4 3.0 ghz 800fsb, or above processors will supply your card with enough calculations to keep it moving well. Also, a gig of pc3200 ram is also in order. Your psu should be atleast 380w of a good namebrand powersupply like antec, etc. This is basically what you will need for an up-to-date gaming rig with a really good graphics card.

 

[GeneralGrievous]

But do yo have any proof of my 5900XT not being beaten 70% of the time.

The burden of proof is on you if you are making a claim. But if you insist.

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/index0406.html
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/index.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/ati-nvidia-roundup_9.html

If you want more let me know.

Edit: I actually found one! The 5900XT beats a 9800 Pro in Quake 3 in low resolution.

But seriously, how did you arrive at this conclusion, it sounds that it is more opinionated.

Well then you are an idiot. I benchmarked both cards. If you want to know why the XT is better for directx games, look at this.

I am still waiting for anyone to show me a place where you can buy a 6800 UE without having to be selected in a lottery.

If you dont believe this look at either the 8500 or the 5900XT at launch. Both didn't do too swell, now look at them they are doing much much better.

Some of that was due to drivers, some of that was due to IQ slashing.


And I have yet to even mention HL2.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Well last time i checked the New Geforce 6 actually beats the Radeons in HL2, also all of those benchmarks except Anandtech's use old drivers which are very slow. ALso on all except AT's IIRC there is maybe 1 OGL game in the entire suite of games. I mean come on their not even giving Nvidia a fighting chance when they bench it like that.

Also the first benchmark uses AF on almost every test!! When everyone knows that Nvidias AF implementation isn't nearly as good as ATI's.

Also in most of these the 9800Pro is beating it by around 10fps some its pretty much tied with the 9800Pro squeaking out a couple of frames to edge ahead. Like i said the 5900XT wins ~30% of the test, INCLUDING OGL tests, if you dont believe me look also i wouldn't call 1-2fps a win as it is well within the margin or error.


The XT and 6800U(E) are very very even. Neither card really pulls away. We cant really make a judgement on these cards until 2 things happen

1. The card make mass production

2. Nvidias drivers (as it is new architectue) mature

-Kevin

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
The best video card is the X800 XT Platinum Edition. None of the 6800s will last 4 years, but the XT might for DirectX based games.

you sir, are a fvcktard.

 

[SneakyStuff]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
The best video card is the X800 XT Platinum Edition. None of the 6800s will last 4 years, but the XT might for DirectX based games.

you sir, are a fvcktard.

Yes, you are an obvious ATI fanboy.

 

[Marsumane]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
The best video card is the X800 XT Platinum Edition. None of the 6800s will last 4 years, but the XT might for DirectX based games.

This opinion seems quite undereducated/ biased. I really dont see any of the 2 cards outlasting eachother with such a great margin

 

[GeneralGrievous]

Yes, you are an obvious ATI fanboy.

An ATI fanboy running an Nvidia card. Fixed.

I really dont see any of the 2 cards outlasting eachother with such a great margin

Perhaps. Time will show whether I am right or wrong.

Like i said the 5900XT wins ~30% of the test, INCLUDING OGL tests, if you dont believe me look also i wouldn't call 1-2fps a win as it is well within the margin or error.

I have looked. I haven't found anything though, so please show me.

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0604/itogi-video-cod-wxp-1600.html
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0604/itogi-video-cod-wxp-aaa-1024.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/ati-nvidia-roundup_16.html

There's your opengl. You seem to have this idea that opengl games are widespread.

The XT and 6800U(E) are very very even. Neither card really pulls away. We cant really make a judgement on these cards until 2 things happen

Funny, I seem to recall you saying the 6800 U wins 60% of test. In Farcry, of all games.

 

[ScrewFace]

Here's what I'd get:
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An ABIT-NF7-S V2.0 (best overclocking mobob on the planet!)
A mobile Athlon XP 2500+ or 2600+ (some have gone to 3GHz)
1GB of PC4000 (500MHz) DDR-SDRAM (2x512MB modules)
A SB Audigy 2 ZS
A 200GB WD 8MB cache SATA 150 hard-drive
A 80 GB WD 8MB cache SATA 150 hard-drive (to store drivers, mods an such)
A 256MB ATI Radeon X800 Pro or a 256MB nVidia GeForce 6800 GT

This rig'll make mincemeat outta Doom3, know what I'm sayin'?:thumbsup:

 

[Gamingphreek]

Well now, that is a good OCers system. And i do agree that it is fast however any CPU probably even an FX53 still isn't giving the new Gen Graphics cards everything they need. Also if you are getting fast memory dont get an NF7-S i would get a DFI Infinity Series M/B as people have reached incredible FSB OCs with them. Also i would ditch that 80gb drive and hget a raptor as your primary drive and the 200gig as your secondary.

But that is if you want to save money and OC to get results which good though they may be still cannot compete with the things i recommended (im not being pompous but tthe system i recommended will still be faster). If you have no worries about money the system i suggested is one of the best configs out there, if you want to save money Screw Face does have a viable alternative.

As for you General Grevious, i am finished. Everyone here thinks your an ATI fanboy whether you have an Nvidia card or not.
So this discussion is over, im right your wrong if you want me to be blunt about it.

-Kevin

 

[GeneralGrievous]

So this discussion is over, im right your wrong if you want me to be blunt about it.

LMAO

Looks like someone doesn't know what they are talking about. Oh well, its your gaming performance that suffers.

Since you can't show a single benchmark set where the 5900XT beats with the 9800 Pro 30% of the time, I'll just assume you are pulling that number out of your a$$.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Everyone else here as called you an ATI fanboy because you constantly run around and post severly subjective biased comments.

You cannot tell me tha tthe 9800Pro beats the 5900XT in every single test. The 5900XT still beat the 9800Pro OGL games, also how would i show 1 benchmark that shows the 5900XT beating the 9800Pro 30% of the time i can show benchmarks suites. But what you always post are benches that only use AF, or benches that use ancient Nvidia drivers while using New ATI drivers. Or yo show benches that only show D3D performance and completely leave OGL out of the picture.

General you are the most biased person in these forums. I cant speak for anyone else but im getting sick and fuxing tired of it? Post a decently once and a while!!

-Kevin

 

[GeneralGrievous]

Then show a benchmark suite. I'll shut up then.

use ancient Nvidia drivers while using New ATI drivers

How this makes any sense is beyond me.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Well commony when a company releases new drivers the drivers tend to increase speed. Well the 56.64 drivers are incredibly slow compared to the new Forceware 6 series of drivers. Is that enough or would you like more detail.

Why dont you wait until someone does a big card roundup with all the latest drivers... like say AT. Its gotta come soon.

-Kevin

Edit: Also my gaming experience isn't suffering. Im running all my games maxed out settings at anywhere from 1024x768-1600x1200.

-Kevin

 

[GeneralGrievous]

Obviously any benchmark suite uses the latest WHQL or beta drivers at the time the test is done. If they are using old Nvidia drivers, they are also using old ATI drivers, though of course, the drivers are new at the time. I have never seen a test use a new driver from 1 company and an old one from another.

In anycase, still no benchmark suite? I'll stick with my assumption then.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Well Nvidia doesn't realease new drivers every week. ATI does therefore while the ATI drivers will be new the Nvidia drivers will be months old.

-Kevin

 

[nitromullet]

Personally, if I was building a rig that I wanted to last for the next 4 years, I would wait unitl mobo's with PCI Express 16x were available. If you get a rig now, it will most likely have an AGP slot, which is certainly fine for a rig intended for the next year or two. However, if you want your rig to last 4 years, you want to be able to upgrade it.

 

[Gamingphreek]

I agree with ya and that is a whole nother realm as PCI-E isn't mature yet.

-Kevin