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N. Korean Parliament Backs Nuke Buildup

LilBlinbBlahIce

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N. Korean Parliament Backs Nuke Buildup

A day after the three-day Beijing meeting ended on Friday, however, Pyongyang's Foreign Ministry angrily dismissed the need for more talks and vowed to "keep and strengthen its nuclear deterrent force as a just self-defensive means to repel the U.S. pre-emptive nuclear attacks," the parliament said.

You know, I hate to say this, but based on our beligerent behavior towards Iraq, it's hard not to understand why any country in the "Axis of Evil" and its subclubs would not be scrambling for any kind of weapons to act as deterrants. Maybe we need MAD to maintain both sides, them and us, in check.
 
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
N. Korean Parliament Backs Nuke Buildup

A day after the three-day Beijing meeting ended on Friday, however, Pyongyang's Foreign Ministry angrily dismissed the need for more talks and vowed to "keep and strengthen its nuclear deterrent force as a just self-defensive means to repel the U.S. pre-emptive nuclear attacks," the parliament said.

You know, I hate to say this, but based on our beligerent behavior towards Iraq, it's hard not to understand why any country in the "Axis of Evil" and its subclubs would not be scrambling for any kind of weapons to act as deterrants. Maybe we need MAD to maintain both sides, them and us, in check.

As I said in the other thread, I can understand why NK is working towards this...even though I don't think it's a good thing. Also, thanks to a great post by BaliBabyDoc, I've started to wonder what exactly gives us (the US) the right to say who can and can not have nukes.
 
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
N. Korean Parliament Backs Nuke Buildup

A day after the three-day Beijing meeting ended on Friday, however, Pyongyang's Foreign Ministry angrily dismissed the need for more talks and vowed to "keep and strengthen its nuclear deterrent force as a just self-defensive means to repel the U.S. pre-emptive nuclear attacks," the parliament said.

You know, I hate to say this, but based on our beligerent behavior towards Iraq, it's hard not to understand why any country in the "Axis of Evil" and its subclubs would not be scrambling for any kind of weapons to act as deterrants. Maybe we need MAD to maintain both sides, them and us, in check.

And what makes you think thats not the intension? We need enemys/threats whether real or percieved, more specifically the Military Industrial Complex, a 300 + billion dollar a year industry needs them, and politicans need them to draw critisism from thier administration and real issues at home.
 
This concept of "NK is developing weapons because of the Bush policy of pre-emption" would actually make some sense except....

The North Koreans apparently reactivated their weapons production program in 1998, while Clinton was still in office. In fact, it appears the program was started more or less during Madeleine Albrights "historic" visit to Pyongyang. They only publicly admitted this when the Bush administration refused to come across with more aid.

In reality, this tactic has little to do with US policy. It is a desperate attempt to get more aid and prop up this disaster of a country.

 
Do you think a nation already paranoid about a US attack wouldn't accelerate their efforts after first being put on the "Axis of Evil" list, and then seeing what happend to another country on that same list?
 
Do you guys just not know anything about Kim Il, or is it you just don't care? A rubber-stamp parliament backing him up, what a shock. But hey, anything to maintain the fascade of them being "Democratic," a "Republic" or doing anything for the people. Our "recent behavior" doesn't change the fact that NK doesn't give a damn about international agreements, and is just itching for a war to justify the position of it's military and leader.

There may be two sides of an argument about 2 countries developing arsenals as mutual deterents, but there should be no question as to if it's a good idea for stark raving mad lunatic/meglomaniac to get them. If you think otherwise, put yourself in the shoes of a South Korean or Japanese. Your position may be a tad different if you had a neighbor who trafficks drugs, kidnaps your countrymen, and shoots missiles over you as a "test."
 
I don't really think North Korea would restart their reactors to act as a deterrent against the U.S. They are restarting them because it will give them a bargaining block to squeeze the rest of the world for food and oil. Blame Bush all you want, but this problem has been going on long before Bush was in office.
 
Blame Bush all you want, but this problem has been going on long before Bush was in office.

They don't care. They'll be blaming Bush for unhealthy effects of trans-fats next.
 
Originally posted by: kage69
Blame Bush all you want, but this problem has been going on long before Bush was in office.

They don't care. They'll be blaming Bush for unhealthy effects of trans-fats next.

I KNEW he was responsible for that!!

😉
 
Originally posted by: kage69
Blame Bush all you want, but this problem has been going on long before Bush was in office.

They don't care. They'll be blaming Bush for unhealthy effects of trans-fats next.

Ok, let me educate you why Bush is to blame for what is going on in NK.

North Korea is making all these bold statements, why?

Because they know there is no way US is gonna invade them now, why?

Because almost half of US military is deloyed in Iraq, and unless US does not want any defense, there is not enough arm force to attack NK.

Why do we have all the arm forces in Iraq? Hey, ask Bush......

Now, why does NK get out of this.....well since they know US won't attack, they can

1. Get US to back down and give them money now or
2. Actually build something to scare US to give them money down the road or
3. Deter US from invading them or
4. Sell it for profit.

So the lesson is, you can't negotiate if you don't have the force to back you up. Bush committed all the forces to Iraq and the result is what you see in NK. So how is this not Bush's fault?
 
Ok, let me educate you why Bush is to blame for what is going on in NK.

Your curriculum sucks.

North Korea is making all these bold statements, why?

You seem to be under the impression this is new behavior from P'yongyang. Where have you been the last couple decades?

Because they know there is no way US is gonna invade them now, why?

For someone who pretends to be so educated on the topic, you sure have a 2D view on the situation. The US could wage some serious hurt on them solo if need be, but that wouldn't happen. South Korea, Japan, ever heard of them? What, no map inyour classroom?

Because almost half of US military is deloyed in Iraq, and unless US does not want any defense, there is not enough arm force to attack NK.

Please refer to the previous reply. Better yet, you can back up your statements with something more substantial than your opinion.

Why do we have all the arm forces in Iraq? Hey, ask Bush......

Do I really need to answer that? The phrase is 'Armed Forces,' c'mon say it with me, ArmED ForceS... With a fully functional government yet to be installed, leaving now would turn the country into utter chaos. Oh yeah, and then there's finding that Saddam guy...

Now, why does NK get out of this.....well since they know US won't attack, they can

Hey Einstein, before trying to emulate a political or military analyst, what say we first grasp how to form a cohesive sentence? Following your rational is like trying to herd cats. North Korea wouldn't be having a problem if it didn't always act like the mentally disturbed bully on the corner who is saving up for an AK. No other country I can think of behaves like they do. Your selective reasoning says a great deal about your knowledge on the situation.

So the lesson is, you can't negotiate if you don't have the force to back you up. Bush committed all the forces to Iraq and the result is what you see in NK. So how is this not Bush's fault?

Yep, quite the scholarly diplomat I see. Now Bush has commited ALL the forces to Iraq? As the lone global megapower, the US has plenty of negotiation power. The addition of competent allies only adds to NK's shitting of bricks. Bush can't be blamed for NK defying the international community during another presidents tenure. Tell you what, try going without the services of the short bus before attempting to teach any classes, m'kay?

kthxbye...
 
The US military is more powerfull than all other militaries combined! Iraq, and NK at the same time would be easy. NK will be much easier than Iraq.
 
Originally posted by: kage69
You seem to be under the impression this is new behavior from P'yongyang. Where have you been the last couple decades?

Tell me if you see NK on the news before the Iraq war.

For someone who pretends to be so educated on the topic, you sure have a 2D view on the situation. The US could wage some serious hurt on them solo if need be, but that wouldn't happen. South Korea, Japan, ever heard of them? What, no map inyour classroom?

Ha, this shows how much you know about the International politic in the Asia region. South Korea loves to reunite with NK, and sees America the threat for that unification. Japan, China, and Russia, they all know what NK is up to and there is nothing they love more then watching NK stick it to the US. They know NK is playing the US to get money and nothing else. Just look at the most recent talk in China, is Chinese in any hurry to get the NK back to negotiation table? Even after NK declared they are gonna build a nuclear bomb? Even NK is right next to them?

Sure US can put some serious hurt, but not with half of the arm forces deployed in Iraq.

Do I really need to answer that? The phrase is 'Armed Forces,' c'mon say it with me, ArmED ForceS... With a fully functional government yet to be installed, leaving now would turn the country into utter chaos. Oh yeah, and then there's finding that Saddam guy...

Yeah, like Iraq was a bigger threat then NK......do they have missile that can reach us? Do they have WMD? Why are we there in the first place? So you are saying we put half of our arm force to remove a nasty dictator and billions of our money to rebuild the nation, so we can spread freedom? How naive are you?

Hey Einstein, before trying to emulate a political or military analyst, what say we first grasp how to form a cohesive sentence? Following your rational is like trying to herd cats. North Korea wouldn't be having a problem if it didn't always act like the mentally disturbed bully on the corner who is saving up for an AK. No other country I can think of behaves like they do. Your selective reasoning says a great deal about your knowledge on the situation.

NK is doing that because they see this opportunity Bush created for them. America is vulnerable, so they try and see what they can get out of it. Simple as that. Blame the guy who made America vulnerable.


Yep, quite the scholarly diplomat I see. Now Bush has commited ALL the forces to Iraq? As the lone global megapower, the US has plenty of negotiation power. The addition of competent allies only adds to NK's shitting of bricks. Bush can't be blamed for NK defying the international community during another presidents tenure. Tell you what, try going without the services of the short bus before attempting to teach any classes, m'kay?

Not all troop but almost half. Considering the need to defend the homeland. Considering the need to put troops in other part of the world. And the political pressure at home against using force because of the crap we have to deal with in Iraq. We do not have the resources or the political backing to deal with a country who can actually fight.

And you are just dumb if you actually think China, South Korea, Japan or Russia is gonna send troop just because they don't want NK to have nuclear weapon. Oh and NK will definitely play so that those countries' interest are not hurt. NK knows the game they are playing, you are the one that doesn't know what's going on.
 
Originally posted by: Bigdude
The US military is more powerfull than all other militaries combined! Iraq, and NK at the same time would be easy. NK will be much easier than Iraq.

:Q Do you REALLY believe that??? :Q
 
Originally posted by: Bigdude
Originally posted by: Tabb
How long until Operation: North Korea Freedom?

Soon, very soon!

Yep, as soon they bring back the draft to get enough soldiers for the endeavour.


On a side note: North Korea has a parliament? hahah
 
Originally posted by: TheBDB
Originally posted by: Bigdude
The US military is more powerfull than all other militaries combined! Iraq, and NK at the same time would be easy. NK will be much easier than Iraq.

:Q Do you REALLY believe that??? :Q


That is a fact!
 
Originally posted by: Bigdude
Originally posted by: TheBDB
Originally posted by: Bigdude
The US military is more powerfull than all other militaries combined! Iraq, and NK at the same time would be easy. NK will be much easier than Iraq.

:Q Do you REALLY believe that??? :Q


That is a fact!

Oh OK...
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Heh. A parlement in a Stalinist regime...I'm sure all the members that are included would be very happy to endorse anything Kim Jong Il says. No way they would be sent to some prison camp for a little dissent.
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Lets face it, the NK parlement is basically a rubber stamp institution for the "great leader". It has no real power of direction over the government.

Anyway, nobody over here in the US should want an all-out war in North Korea. They dont even need nukes, except as a bargaining tool. They have far more destructive power in their massive amount of artillery tubes aimed directly at the South Korean capital. That is all the deterrent they need. If the US, or anyone who cares about the South decides to go to war with them, Seoul is toast. Yeah, we could take on North Korea easily, but thats why we havent invaded. And its why we wont, unless we could stomach an entire city/nation ultimately bieng wiped off the map. Pyongyang knows this and they are using that to extract concessions from its neighbors. It is all a game that Pyongyang has tried before and succeeded at (see: 1994 agreed framework et al). It is no suprise what they are trying to do now....
 
Originally posted by: Bigdude
The US military is more powerfull than all other militaries combined! Iraq, and NK at the same time would be easy. NK will be much easier than Iraq.

As much as I like to agree with Bigdude sometimes, this doesn't make much sense. Yes, we could probably wipe out several of the more hostile countries out there at one time, but NK is a much harder task than Iraq was. To some extent this is because Iraq was much easier than it should have been. I'm beginning to think there hasn't been a competant Arab military leader since the Crusades. North Korea is poverty stricken, led by irrational people, etc. but they do have a large army, well dug in a fortified in a horrendous terrain to advance over and they probably have much better military leadership than we have faced lately.

In an all out war North Korea would fall in less than a year but not much ground progress would be made in the first few months.


 
rchiu, you're an immature pompous tard who knows little of what you you speak. You write like a 5th grader, all spit and no polish - you'll just have to excuse me for not taking your opinion too seriously. You base all of your argument on your own opinion and extrapolated assumptions of what I wrote. It should go with out saying somethings wrong if you're basing your political views from the programming schedule of the news networks. For the record, I have friends in Okinawa and South Korea and through normal communication with them I'd like to think I'm more or less in tune with what some of the locals think. Oh, and then there's my Bachelor's in Asian Studies and Political Science. You don't even appear to have completed HS, so take your penchant for educating others and shove it.

:disgust:

Bigdude, sorry, but you're wrong. NK would be a far more dangerous opponent than Iraq. In addition to having a larger arsenal, the degree of training in NK is superior to that of the Iraqi military. Whereas Iraq is split into many religious and social factions, NK is a homogenous society built around self-reliance and has quite the militant culture. Since the fifties, NK has operated as if it were expecting an invasion. The prior allusion to Swiss fortifications was quite accurate. The good news is both South Korea and Japan have a great deal of military prowess and aren't fooled by NKs antics. France they ain't. While China does share a mutual defense pact with NK, they also are now part of the WTO, and by all accounts are getting a little tired of their crazy neighbor. Both work to our advantage, in addition to Russia and China both not wanting Kim Il to command nukes either.
 
Originally posted by: kage69
rchiu, you're an immature pompous tard who knows little of what you you speak. You write like a 5th grader, all spit and no polish - you'll just have to excuse me for not taking your opinion too seriously. You base all of your argument on your own opinion and extrapolated assumptions of what I wrote. It should go with out saying somethings wrong if you're basing your political views from the programming schedule of the news networks. For the record, I have friends in Okinawa and South Korea and through normal communication with them I'd like to think I'm more or less in tune with what some of the locals think. Oh, and then there's my Bachelor's in Asian Studies and Political Science. You don't even appear to have completed HS, so take your penchant for educating others and shove it.

:disgust:

Ok so now is "can't argue with the dude so let's belittle him time". Hey, I am trying to write something during my breaks from my work, not trying to win a writing competition. Plus English is my second language, Chinese being my first. And that leads to this, let's see how your 4 year of Asian studies and Political science year compare to my 20+ years of living and experiences in Asia, having close buddy from Korea, China, Taiwan and the rest of Asian countries. Even though I live in the US now, I still read and watch news from China/Taiwan daily. And sorry, I not only completed HS, but also got a Masters degree in a top 10 Engineerring school and an MBA.

Not trying to show off or anything, wouldn't even talk about my qaulification if you didn't mention it in the first place.

Again, you don't know the dynamic of the political games that China, NK and other countries are playing, and you don't wanna know the opinion of Asian of Bush Admin.
 
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