N. Korea vs S. Korea Rnd 2 (update 3-6)

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Lucy Liu is ok.
Now check this:

the military is prepared to shoot down any North Korean ballistic missile -- if President Obama should give the order.

Cool!

Question is: Should he? If it's truly a satellite, that would be really naughty, but if it's a covert missile test and he takes it out it's an uber pwnage fvck your north korean newbie technology!

However, in reality, I have little confidence in the ability of the navy to take out missiles like this and if they try and miss it will be a major embarrassment.

First, NK has to actually launch the missle.

Besides, shooting down a fired missile without head warning and a target device attatched to the missile is effective in exactly 0% of all cases it's been tried in.

Our ADA guys knocked down some Scuds in Desert Storm.

 

[IEC]

All you armchair strategists seem to be ignoring one very important detail (Google north korea seoul artillery):

"South Korea's Defense Ministry said the North had amassed more than 13,000 pieces of artillery and multiple rocket launchers, much of it aimed at Seoul.

Jane's International Defense Review estimates that if North Korea launched an all-out barrage, it could achieve an initial fire rate of 300,000 to 500,000 shells per hour into the Seoul area -- home to about half the country's 48.5 million people.

The biggest are 170-mm self-propelled artillery guns and 240-mm multiple rocket launchers. It also has hundreds of Scud missiles that could hit any part of South Korea."

Casualties would be in the millions, easily.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
All you armchair strategists seem to be ignoring one very important detail (Google north korea seoul artillery):

"South Korea's Defense Ministry said the North had amassed more than 13,000 pieces of artillery and multiple rocket launchers, much of it aimed at Seoul.

Jane's International Defense Review estimates that if North Korea launched an all-out barrage, it could achieve an initial fire rate of 300,000 to 500,000 shells per hour into the Seoul area -- home to about half the country's 48.5 million people.

The biggest are 170-mm self-propelled artillery guns and 240-mm multiple rocket launchers. It also has hundreds of Scud missiles that could hit any part of South Korea."

Casualties would be in the millions, easily.

So, one needs to know if the north has amassed its military hardware for defensive or offensive purposes. This will make the strategists job much easier. For all practical purposes, it doesn't matter, because if NK blinks, they are toast.

 

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Originally posted by: Modelworks
Yeah ABC just did a thing on it , they said we shot down 7 out of 8 missiles from sea and 7 out of 10 from land. Don't like the 7 out of 10 results, we need to work on that one guys.

I think they were quite scripted, though. An unknown missile launched from NK with a potentially unknown target is going to be much harder to hit.

Besides, shooting down a fired missile without head warning and a target device attatched to the missile is effective in exactly 0% of all cases it's been tried in.

Maybe Kim will be kind enough to put a target device on it first

Our ADA guys knocked down some Scuds in Desert Storm.

This is true. I think the hit rate was less than 50%, but not terrible, and that was a long time ago, but then scuds are not moving as fast.

Casualties would be in the millions, easily.

I bet they wouldn't be, but they'd be bad. BTW, you're an armchair general, too, that's the fun of the interw3bs! If Seoul was really losing people that quickly NK would get nuked. And they definitely can't take out incoming missiles.

Wikipedia on scuds:

Patriots were also deployed in Saudi Arabia, defending cities and coalition bases. Initially, Raytheon and the U.S. government claimed a very high success rate, with President George H. W. Bush declaring that, out of 42 Scuds engaged, 41 had been intercepted.[24] However these figures were later amended, with the U.S Army stating that the Patriot systems had detected 88 Scuds, engaged 53, of which 27 had been successfully engaged.[25] A successful intercept was judged to have occurred when the Scud warhead had been destroyed, or when the missile had been blown off target. These figures did not appease critics, such as Professor Theodore Postol, who instead suggested that the rate of Patriot intercepts was lower than 10 percent, based on video evidence

 

[Pocatello]

If the enemy is nice enough to let us know when they will launch a single missile, its trajectory, with no decoys, then I'm fully confident that the missile defense system will work 50% of the time.

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Lucy Liu is ok.
Now check this:

the military is prepared to shoot down any North Korean ballistic missile -- if President Obama should give the order.

Cool!

Question is: Should he? If it's truly a satellite, that would be really naughty, but if it's a covert missile test and he takes it out it's an uber pwnage fvck your north korean newbie technology!

However, in reality, I have little confidence in the ability of the navy to take out missiles like this and if they try and miss it will be a major embarrassment.

First, NK has to actually launch the missle.

Besides, shooting down a fired missile without head warning and a target device attatched to the missile is effective in exactly 0% of all cases it's been tried in.

Our ADA guys knocked down some Scuds in Desert Storm.

Best data now show it is likely we only shot down a handful. Most other strikes were hitting pieces of the SCUD as it fell apart. These Iraqi SCUDS were modified with an extra stage sort of tacked on and on its ballistic trajectory, the stresses had a tendency to tear them apart.

So actual hits on SCUDS was very low. Nevertheless, they were a big morale booster and we learned much about missile intercepts.

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Lucy Liu is ok.
Now check this:

the military is prepared to shoot down any North Korean ballistic missile -- if President Obama should give the order.

Cool!

Question is: Should he? If it's truly a satellite, that would be really naughty, but if it's a covert missile test and he takes it out it's an uber pwnage fvck your north korean newbie technology!

However, in reality, I have little confidence in the ability of the navy to take out missiles like this and if they try and miss it will be a major embarrassment.

First, NK has to actually launch the missle.

Exploding on the pad does not count as a launch.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Lucy Liu is ok.
Now check this:

the military is prepared to shoot down any North Korean ballistic missile -- if President Obama should give the order.

Cool!

Question is: Should he? If it's truly a satellite, that would be really naughty, but if it's a covert missile test and he takes it out it's an uber pwnage fvck your north korean newbie technology!

However, in reality, I have little confidence in the ability of the navy to take out missiles like this and if they try and miss it will be a major embarrassment.

First, NK has to actually launch the missle.

Besides, shooting down a fired missile without head warning and a target device attatched to the missile is effective in exactly 0% of all cases it's been tried in.

Our ADA guys knocked down some Scuds in Desert Storm.

Best data now show it is likely we only shot down a handful. Most other strikes were hitting pieces of the SCUD as it fell apart. These Iraqi SCUDS were modified with an extra stage sort of tacked on and on its ballistic trajectory, the stresses had a tendency to tear them apart.

So actual hits on SCUDS was very low. Nevertheless, they were a big morale booster and we learned much about missile intercepts.

I met a Col. a few weeks ago at Ft. Sill that has the last confirmed ADA kill. A Scud missile back in Desert Storm.

Actually, I suppose that's the last confirmed enemy kill. We showed off some of our technological anti-aircraft prowess by downing 2 British Tornadoes in OIF 1.

 

[Toonces]

I'll be there for a week next month, should be fun!

Planning a trip up to the DMZ actually.

 

[Possessed Freak]

Update, better not fly any planes over us!!!

 

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Link

NK says it will be a war if their missile is taken out.