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N. Korea threatens U.S. with 'nuclear war'

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Originally posted by: greatfool66


There is NO SUCH THING as interests. It's a euphamism for rich peoples money and has NOTHING to do with 99% of the population, or the nation. Responsibilities...ok, that one I'll buy. But our responsibility is to be a role model, to train, to offer humanitarian aid, etc. It is NOT to be world police, or the neighborhood bully.
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No such thing as interests?

You're right it has a lot to do with rich people's money.

Those rich people are probably all the citizens of the US who use oil in some way for energy. Its all about interests.
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It's not our oil. We have no right, nor claim to it. If those who control it choose to charge a million dollars a barrell, that's their right. We have no actual right or control over anything that takes place beyond our borders. We are not special, we are not more important than others. What makes it our interests? Why isn't it Russia's interests, or Japans? Or how about accepting that it's the interests of the people whose country it's found in?
 
6 missles in total. This KIm is off his rockers. I am really nervous about this entire situation. I wonder what the USA should so in response to this reckless act.
 
Kim is honoring the bush administration by helping celebrate the Fourth of July with some very expensive fireworks.
 
Originally posted by: Darkstar757
6 missles in total. This KIm is off his rockers. I am really nervous about this entire situation. I wonder what the USA should so in response to this reckless act.
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You don't need to be nervous. Russia, China, and Japan are all much closer and have the same worries as us. They might just solve the problem for us.
 
Interesting place I found on Google Earth - could be nothing though.

Why is there a road going into this low mountain? I couldn't find an exit. There's some interesting things in that area...

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North Korea has a huge underground network of bunkers and such, so its entirely possible that is one of the entrances. I have their nuclear reactor on my google earth, you can look it up, pretty pitiful in size, its like 50MWT wheras the ones in the US are like 3500.
 
Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow
Originally posted by: Darkstar757
6 missles in total. This KIm is off his rockers. I am really nervous about this entire situation. I wonder what the USA should so in response to this reckless act.
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You don't need to be nervous. Russia, China, and Japan are all much closer and have the same worries as us. They might just solve the problem for us.
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It's going to be difficult to treat this situation objectively when the media is raving . . . nothing draws eyeballs like an alleged crisis . . . particularly at Faux News.

IIRC, the last DPRK test was 1998 . . . and that missile did better. At this rate, the DPRK will have a working ICBM in the same time frame as we will have a working NMD . . . ie never.
 
I like how the news channels keep increasing the range of this missile. Origionally it was said to be able to hit Russia, Japan and China, then they said it could hit the alutien islands, then all of alaska, now apparently it can hit California... Of course in real life all it did was hit the sea of Japan because its a hack job missile, even if it had worked they be lucky to get it to hit the farthest west tip of Alaska, and seeing as it aint guided its would kill a total of 0 people. China, Japan, and Russia are the only people who should be even slightly concerned about this missile (I'd say South Korea too, but DPRK can already hit Seoul without a new missile).
 
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Darkstar757
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Man I wonder if we have started a ball rolling that we can not stop. I truly dont want to live to see a nuke war.

Sad Times

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wait, are you blaming US for the disaster that is NK?! Are you saying that "WE" have started a ball rolling!?

please clarify. what blame, if any, do you place on the totally corrupt, evil empire that is NK?
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One, Rice started the sabre rattling

Two, we started stop Jong's counterfeit game

Three, we went after his drugs and weapon sales

Yes, it is WRONG for NK to be selling drugs, counterfeiting our currency, and selling weapons to others. However, it pales in comparison to if they ever have the technology to manufacture and launch a nuclear missile. None of those things I mentioned kill many people or do horrible economic harm. Their nuclear program has the chance to do all those things and more.

Right now it is unknown if NK has nuclear weapons -- and if they do -- to what extent they possess them. A best guess is that they have 1940's to 1950's nuclear tech (I'm speaking of similar to what the US had in those times).

The current answer is diplomacy and aid as a stop-gap, because the framework that was setup by Carter under Clinton has unraveled. The Bush Administration has mishandled the NK situation, and now they are going to have to get creative if they want a solution. If we want them not to have a nuclear program then THAT has to our goal. Not a mixed message of policing their non-nuclear illicit activities, economic sanctions, refusal to follow our portions of the agreed framework, etc. The Bush admin doesn't get it. You aren't going to get everything you want with NK. Pick the most important items and then go from there. We are trying to do everything and it WILL NOT work. China doesn't want NK to fall, and the ROK is starting to feel the same way.

So, yes, we did start a ball rolling by policing activities outside the framework, sending our NSA to the war room, and attempting to create unrest and global fear by labeling them in an "axis of evil."

Don't bother responding. I've read your posts, I wouldn't expect you to be informed.
 
The US has a fundamental problem in its 'regime change' MO . . . virtually every country that needs regime change is unlikely to do it from within. Accordingly, country foolish enough to attempt an external regime change is the US. Further, attempts to destabilize regimes are likely to fail for several reasons:

1) Even neighboring countries that don't like the regime . . . don't want an unstable regime . . . better the devil you know.

2) Almost every country on the planet disdains both the arrogance and ignorance of US foreign policy.

3) Most 'out of favor' regimes aren't exactly toothless. Despite the bluster from the warmongerers, these countries cannot harm the US per se. But they can make trouble within their respective regions that may hurt US 'interests' abroad.

So let's fastforward . . . the Security Council will meet. Japan will rant . . . rightfully so. Someone will propose significant sanctions. China will object . . . on humanitarian grounds :roll: curiously it's probably justified on humanitarian grounds. China and Russia will talk about the stalled 6-party talks as a more appropriate response.

If a watered-down package passes, the US will claim they are insufficient and propose a Coalition of the Willing to impose more significant measures. We will primarily lean on South Korea. We will probably begin (if not already) to support right-of-center political parties in hopes they will win the next election and support a more aggressive stance against the DPRK.

But in the grand scheme . . . little will change.
 
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
The US has a fundamental problem in its 'regime change' MO . . . virtually every country that needs regime change is unlikely to do it from within. Accordingly, country foolish enough to attempt an external regime change is the US. Further, attempts to destabilize regimes are likely to fail for several reasons:

1) Even neighboring countries that don't like the regime . . . don't want an unstable regime . . . better the devil you know.

2) Almost every country on the planet disdains both the arrogance and ignorance of US foreign policy.

3) Most 'out of favor' regimes aren't exactly toothless. Despite the bluster from the warmongerers, these countries cannot harm the US per se. But they can make trouble within their respective regions that may hurt US 'interests' abroad.

So let's fastforward . . . the Security Council will meet. Japan will rant . . . rightfully so. Someone will propose significant sanctions. China will object . . . on humanitarian grounds :roll: curiously it's probably justified on humanitarian grounds. China and Russia will talk about the stalled 6-party talks as a more appropriate response.

If a watered-down package passes, the US will claim they are insufficient and propose a Coalition of the Willing to impose more significant measures. We will primarily lean on South Korea. We will probably begin (if not already) to support right-of-center political parties in hopes they will win the next election and support a more aggressive stance against the DPRK.

But in the grand scheme . . . little will change.
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I think you got it dead on right here. The only way things are going to escalate into full blown war is if NK directly provokes SK or Japan(i.e. firing a rocket thats NOT for test purposes into SK or Japan) But KIm isnt that stupid as others have pointed out. He wants attention. Problem is eventually people like him get tired of waving and screaming to get attention, eventually they punch to get attention. And God help us if that day ever comes with NK.
 
"I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. " -Einstein
 
An attack on any of the 26 NATO members is by statute considered an attack on all NATO memebers...so if somehow US is attacked, there are enough nuclear arms to turn all of NK into a glass parking lot. Jong Ill might be a crazy pompus idiot, but he's not a religious fundie...he doesn't wanna die any more than any of us.
 
Like the Whitehouse, I don't foresee this as a serious threat. NK flexing their muscle, I highly doubt anything serious will come of it.

We (the U.S.) do weapons tests all the time, it's no big deal (except when other countries do so, apparently).
 
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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Now would be a good time for the UN to demonstrate its worth.
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This whole North Korea situation is exactly the kind of behavior that the UN was formed to discourage...the voice of the world community...still waiting for Kofi Annan to engage the North Korea nuclear weapons program issue.


 
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