N Korea tells U.S. 'time is not on your side'
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N. Korea is like a bank robber with hostages surrounded by a SWAT team. "come any closer and I'll kill everyone! I want pizza and beer!"
Question is, can we find a way to snipe the bank robber?
Question is, can we find a way to snipe the bank robber?
The damage with nukes is indeed greater, and the assured destruction of all of the North Korean govt. along with it would be the result. China likely would not tolerate a nuke detonation in it's backyard. It would reflect badly on them if they didn't support us when they need U.S. support so badly, especially with Taiwan causing issues, and their newfound trading power with the U.S. just on the upswing. You also have to remember Tiannemen. Many high ranking officers, and their troops refused to cooperate with just suppressing students. It's unlikely they will give their lives for the North Koreans after North Korea nukes U.S. troops. They might if we are the aggressors without reason though.
My take on this:
We have to play this particular game according to the rules of the orient or lose the advantage. Everyone knows the U.S. is the dominant military and economic power in the world. It's not necessary to remind them. If we polarize the Chinese and Russians through our aggression, it's not going to help us. We should play until they (North Korea) commit to an action, any action. At that point, they are locked in and will have to follow through on their promises, and our response would be nothing more than the penalty or reward to their actions. Reality discipline at it's finest.
This stands in contrast to Iraq, where Russia, Germany and France only cared about the money and public image, and disliked Iraq already. The penalties for our actions were limited to bad feelings, and words without actions.
My take on this:
We have to play this particular game according to the rules of the orient or lose the advantage. Everyone knows the U.S. is the dominant military and economic power in the world. It's not necessary to remind them. If we polarize the Chinese and Russians through our aggression, it's not going to help us. We should play until they (North Korea) commit to an action, any action. At that point, they are locked in and will have to follow through on their promises, and our response would be nothing more than the penalty or reward to their actions. Reality discipline at it's finest.
This stands in contrast to Iraq, where Russia, Germany and France only cared about the money and public image, and disliked Iraq already. The penalties for our actions were limited to bad feelings, and words without actions.
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NK has been playing this game for the past 40 years. They make small promises in exchange to large givebacks. Then they break/cancel the original deal under some pretex.
tensions heat up and eventually NK has an internal problem that they can fix easily.
Out comes the dialog with them using the carrort/stick approach.
Repeat this cycle as often as you wish.
As long as they can make the US jump through what ever hoop they have available, they will continue this path.
We either have to contain/ignore them (even though it may mean hardships on the NK people, similar to Saddam/Iraq) and let SK handle the situation at their pace
or
We coordinate with China and cleanup the mess once and for all. This will be expensive.
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Stepchild has grown up, become an immature adult and a general PITA for the whole area.
Spoiled child still wants attention.
That only works if we are actually willing to use nukes on the Korean peninsula. It's a doomsday scenario that neither China nor South Korea will entertain anytime soon.
I'd like to know what the U.S. is doing about NK right now. In my opinion, we seem quite disengaged from the crisis. Unlike about 5-6 months ago when we were actively trying to work a deal with NK.
kage69
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I wasn't really serious bali, but for the record, if NK were indeed to begin a war by using a nuke against us, I'm sure the cowboys in office would have no problem turning the majority of NK into radioactive sludge. In such a scenario, China would be in no position to blame us, and they know it.
In the highly unlikely scenario that NK starts a nuclear war with the US . . . this argument is moot . . . everybody loses . . . but some of us have a lot more to lose than others.
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A deal (negotiation) will only work if both parties are serious. The NK have shown over and over again that they want to be a Hoover.
Then India and Pakistan decide to join in the fun and nuke each other, Israel nukes Palestine, etc, etc... The use of even one nuke against another nation in today's world sets us all down a very slippery slope
Anyone notice a pattern among these savages? Sure is a whole lot of chest-thumping going on among the world's tyrants.
*yawn*
Jason
*yawn*
Jason
Nk will wait till were ready. They have nothing to gain by having nukes. US will not invade NK. Its not worth it, not while theres a "juggernaut" next store. Im not actually scared NK would start a nuclear war. I highly doubt it.
What i dont doubt is them selling the info to anyone inorder to maintain the 5th largest military in the world. Which is the whole point of this situation.
What i dont doubt is them selling the info to anyone inorder to maintain the 5th largest military in the world. Which is the whole point of this situation.
And? You ask why? I ask why not? Why *wouldn't* they jump in? These nations are not the best of friends you know... if they see other countries using nukes they may think it's okay for them to use them, too.
Why? Because China would not be happy about the war with nukes in it's own backyard. China would most likely show it's displeasure by invading the country that used nukes. Don't beleive it cant? China has longe range nukes, and enough conventional forces to roll over anyone on its's own continent. Russia would likely ally with their long term enemies, and join in the fray alongside their new "friend", and the Pakistani/Indian/Nepalese issue would be brutally settled once and for all. The U.S. would llikely back any country battling versus Russia and China, as it makes good political and economic sense. Remember, that war is the ultimate economic tool, and the bond between Russia, China and the U.S. would be good for the wallets of all three.
Think about it.......
Think about it.......
WTF? China and the US are Russia's long term "enemies"? There's a difference between competitor and enemy. All major powers will be competitors, not neccessarily "enemies". There is a distince difference.
NK nukes exist as an added layer of deterrent, in addition to the fact that NK long range artillery in bunkers can shell Seoul with literally hundreds of thousands to millions of shells per hour, thousands with chemical and biological agents. NK knows that a nuclear attack on the US or someone else would likely warrant a reprisal destroying their nation. Kim, like all dictators, wants to survive and will act relatively rationally, despite the fact that some analysts claim otherwise. And because of the deterrant capabilities of NK artillery and now nukes, any preemptive attack on NK will result in terrible destruction to SK, so there is no point in attacking first on behalf of SK. Diplomacy will have to work; there are simply not enough stealth bombers to penetrate the NK DMZ air defences and simultaneously strike every artillery bunker.
Zephyr
NK nukes exist as an added layer of deterrent, in addition to the fact that NK long range artillery in bunkers can shell Seoul with literally hundreds of thousands to millions of shells per hour, thousands with chemical and biological agents. NK knows that a nuclear attack on the US or someone else would likely warrant a reprisal destroying their nation. Kim, like all dictators, wants to survive and will act relatively rationally, despite the fact that some analysts claim otherwise. And because of the deterrant capabilities of NK artillery and now nukes, any preemptive attack on NK will result in terrible destruction to SK, so there is no point in attacking first on behalf of SK. Diplomacy will have to work; there are simply not enough stealth bombers to penetrate the NK DMZ air defences and simultaneously strike every artillery bunker.
Zephyr
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