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LunarRay

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Originally posted by: przero
so suppose "we" decide to pass a law making homosexuality illegal?

If it stands up to Constitutional review by the USSC then fine. Until then it is not illegal to be homosexual.

 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: przero
My whole point in this conversation is to say this:
Society as a WHOLE should determine laws governing these things. Not you, not me, and for sure not MoonBeam. All of us collectively. State by state. California wants to legalize pedophelia, not my business. I don't vote there. Utah wants polygamy, work out. Here in Louisiana, I will cast my vote as I wish, and will accept the will of the people, whatever they decide.

Now for the record. I would not vote to outlaw gay relationships or sodomy, etc. Not my business. I would vote against gay "marriages", but not civil unions. I would not vote for minortiy status for any sexual preference category. I would vote against polygamy, etc. I have friends and aquaintences that are gay/lesbian, and I don't beat them up about it. We get along just fine. I have yet to drag any gay/lesbian/minority behind my pick-up truck. I do my very best to get along with and HELP eveyone regardless of who or what they are. But I DO NOT like being told I have to do this or that because of who they are! Now if that makes me a BIGOT, then so be it.

Yup, it makes you a bigot. Most bigots are proud of themselves. That's to be expected. Bigotry is really concealed self hate that comes out as hate of others to provide some relief from that self hate and to protect against becoming aware of it. It gives a person that BUTT-HEAD attitude so common among the backward.
 

BlitzCraig64

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IMO the elementry level of school is for teaching fact and function. The three R's and that is it. Psychology is a bit beyond there reasoning capabilities. A more mature mind is needed to discern what a person believes about homosexuality, but it is not the responsibility of a school to influence them....only to provide fact. I personally will never teach my children that being gay is a lifestyle at all. Arguments have been made that there is no relationship between being gay and sex. I disagree.......I have friends that I love...but I ain't bending over for any of them. Homosexuality is about nothing BUT sex......you don't need to have sex to love someone else. Ok....I hear the argument coming that sex is just a way to express that love. If that is what you choose to believe, that is fine, but I will not perpetuate that thought for my children. What you do with yours......that is your own business.
I have to say something about Moonbeam.......could you be anymore selfrighteous. You are just as much a bigot as anyone else....against those that have any opinion that varies from yours.......get over yourself......damn.......
 

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Originally posted by: BlitzCraig64
IMO the elementry level of school is for teaching fact and function. The three R's and that is it. Psychology is a bit beyond there reasoning capabilities. A more mature mind is needed to discern what a person believes about homosexuality, but it is not the responsibility of a school to influence them....only to provide fact. I personally will never teach my children that being gay is a lifestyle at all. Arguments have been made that there is no relationship between being gay and sex. I disagree.......I have friends that I love...but I ain't bending over for any of them. Homosexuality is about nothing BUT sex......you don't need to have sex to love someone else. Ok....I hear the argument coming that sex is just a way to express that love. If that is what you choose to believe, that is fine, but I will not perpetuate that thought for my children. What you do with yours......that is your own business.
I have to say something about Moonbeam.......could you be anymore selfrighteous. You are just as much a bigot as anyone else....against those that have any opinion that varies from yours.......get over yourself......damn.......

Could you hug your male friends? Kiss them? Find them attractive? From what I've seen in my gay friends and acquaintances being gay is much more than anal sex, just as heterosexual relationships consist of much more than just the act of sexual intercourse.
 

BlitzCraig64

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personally I could hug a male friend.....as for the other options.....not even a little bit. I can love a male friend without being gay.....and I didn't pigeonhole (no pun intended) just anal sex....I said sex. Homosexuality doesn't work....the plumbing isn't right. Men and women fit together....that is no accident. As I said.....what you teach to your children is your own business, but it is not the job of the school to take on teaching lifestyles no matter what it is. The whole point of my post was that I am the only one responsible for teaching those subjects to MY children and your job to teach yours whatever you will. I am not going to go put on a white hood and string them up, but I can disagree with there lifestyle.
 

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Oh....and just to be clear.....attractiveness usually denotes a sexual attraction. Kissing.....that is really nothing.....unless there is tongue involved......I just can't picture how one guy could look at another and say "Bubba.....I really love looking at your big hairy ass......lets get it on" I guess they could alway wax........
 

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I know a guy who finds animals really attractive he runs a site and only charges 3.95 per month, he wanted to marry a donkey and they told him people cant have feelings for animals, not even girl ones.
Some men find other men attractive, cool. But keep in mind some dudes find dogs attractive too. Who are we to decided which perversion is more perverse? As far as i know there hasnt been inter-species breeding just like i havent heard of 2 gay guys conceiving a kid with only them involved. Its not natural.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: BlitzCraig64
IMO the elementry level of school is for teaching fact and function. The three R's and that is it. Psychology is a bit beyond there reasoning capabilities. A more mature mind is needed to discern what a person believes about homosexuality, but it is not the responsibility of a school to influence them....only to provide fact. I personally will never teach my children that being gay is a lifestyle at all. Arguments have been made that there is no relationship between being gay and sex. I disagree.......I have friends that I love...but I ain't bending over for any of them. Homosexuality is about nothing BUT sex......you don't need to have sex to love someone else. Ok....I hear the argument coming that sex is just a way to express that love. If that is what you choose to believe, that is fine, but I will not perpetuate that thought for my children. What you do with yours......that is your own business.
I have to say something about Moonbeam.......could you be anymore selfrighteous. You are just as much a bigot as anyone else....against those that have any opinion that varies from yours.......get over yourself......damn.......
In what way am I a bigot? You are a bigot because you freely admit that you are irrational. All you do to support your bigoted opinion is to say you disagree. Any loon can disagree. Why do you disagree. Where is your logic. You have a perfect legal right to screw over your kids mind, but you are still a bigot and screwing over their minds. What you call selfrighteous is merely the accurate application of the definition of bigot which you fit perfectly.
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AEB, come out from behind the barn. The argument that homosexuality is not natural is pure bigotry and was shown to be false in thread after thread. Get up to speed, Mr. Bigot B Bigot.

 
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Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
oppression of freedom of independent thought is definitely a left-wing objective;

otherwise the term 'bigot' wouldn't be thrown around so idiotically, as it's 'OK' to censor bigots, isn't it? and it's OK to censor those that want to 'oppress' you, isn't it? and it's wrong to allow people to 'force' their religion down your through, isn't it?

How is this oppression of freedom of independent thought?

I'll ask this again. ^

Because you can call any view you want 'bigoted', you can say that anyone is a 'hate monger', unless it's actually inciting people to cause destruction it's not your nor my place to tell someone else what freedom of speech they have and what thoughts they may espouse.

The left says that NAMBLA an organization dedicated to helping others learn how to molest boys has a 'freedom of speech'; but is constantly trying to say that trying to keep small children from being sate-sexualized is a thought that must be repressed for 'our own good' and 'evolution;

I'm sure their are intelligent people who think otherwise, but I've been assaulted by enough ardent anti-Christians on this board to know that expressing and sharing your relegious views is something the 'progressives' want censored as much as the right wants censored hard-core pornography.
 
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Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: przero
There is no law to prevent me from refusing to hire any non-minority for simply not liking them. A minority is another matter. Why should gays, polygamist, child molesters, etc. be granted that right via minority status?

Are gay people criminals?
replace the word polygamists with whore-mongers.
 

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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
oppression of freedom of independent thought is definitely a left-wing objective;

otherwise the term 'bigot' wouldn't be thrown around so idiotically, as it's 'OK' to censor bigots, isn't it? and it's OK to censor those that want to 'oppress' you, isn't it? and it's wrong to allow people to 'force' their religion down your through, isn't it?

How is this oppression of freedom of independent thought?

I'll ask this again. ^

Because you can call any view you want 'bigoted', you can say that anyone is a 'hate monger', unless it's actually inciting people to cause destruction it's not your nor my place to tell someone else what freedom of speech they have and what thoughts they may espouse.

The left says that NAMBLA an organization dedicated to helping others learn how to molest boys has a 'freedom of speech'; but is constantly trying to say that trying to keep small children from being sate-sexualized is a thought that must be repressed for 'our own good' and 'evolution;

I'm sure their are intelligent people who think otherwise, but I've been assaulted by enough ardent anti-Christians on this board to know that expressing and sharing your relegious views is something the 'progressives' want censored as much as the right wants censored hard-core pornography.

The "left" does not say anything, such generalizing is as useless as it is baseless. Not all conservatives want hardcore pornography censored (and, yes, I am a conservative), just as not all democrats support or liking NAMBLA, and I know many Democrats who are also strong Christians. Get over yourself, get out there and meet some people; these message boards are a horrible place to cement your political beliefs.
 

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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: przero
There is no law to prevent me from refusing to hire any non-minority for simply not liking them. A minority is another matter. Why should gays, polygamist, child molesters, etc. be granted that right via minority status?

Are gay people criminals?
replace the word polygamists with whore-mongers.

... you mean pimps? AFAIK that's already illegal in most states.
 

Romans828

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Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
oppression of freedom of independent thought is definitely a left-wing objective;

otherwise the term 'bigot' wouldn't be thrown around so idiotically, as it's 'OK' to censor bigots, isn't it? and it's OK to censor those that want to 'oppress' you, isn't it? and it's wrong to allow people to 'force' their religion down your through, isn't it?

How is this oppression of freedom of independent thought?

I'll ask this again. ^

Because you can call any view you want 'bigoted', you can say that anyone is a 'hate monger', unless it's actually inciting people to cause destruction it's not your nor my place to tell someone else what freedom of speech they have and what thoughts they may espouse.

The left says that NAMBLA an organization dedicated to helping others learn how to molest boys has a 'freedom of speech'; but is constantly trying to say that trying to keep small children from being sate-sexualized is a thought that must be repressed for 'our own good' and 'evolution;

I'm sure their are intelligent people who think otherwise, but I've been assaulted by enough ardent anti-Christians on this board to know that expressing and sharing your relegious views is something the 'progressives' want censored as much as the right wants censored hard-core pornography.

The "left" does not say anything, such generalizing is as useless as it is baseless. Not all conservatives want hardcore pornography censored (and, yes, I am a conservative), just as not all democrats support or liking NAMBLA, and I know many Democrats who are also strong Christians. Get over yourself, get out there and meet some people; these message boards are a horrible place to cement your political beliefs.

Democrats who are also strong Christians.

that does not exist
 

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Originally posted by: Romans828
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
oppression of freedom of independent thought is definitely a left-wing objective;

otherwise the term 'bigot' wouldn't be thrown around so idiotically, as it's 'OK' to censor bigots, isn't it? and it's OK to censor those that want to 'oppress' you, isn't it? and it's wrong to allow people to 'force' their religion down your through, isn't it?

How is this oppression of freedom of independent thought?

I'll ask this again. ^

Because you can call any view you want 'bigoted', you can say that anyone is a 'hate monger', unless it's actually inciting people to cause destruction it's not your nor my place to tell someone else what freedom of speech they have and what thoughts they may espouse.

The left says that NAMBLA an organization dedicated to helping others learn how to molest boys has a 'freedom of speech'; but is constantly trying to say that trying to keep small children from being sate-sexualized is a thought that must be repressed for 'our own good' and 'evolution;

I'm sure their are intelligent people who think otherwise, but I've been assaulted by enough ardent anti-Christians on this board to know that expressing and sharing your relegious views is something the 'progressives' want censored as much as the right wants censored hard-core pornography.

The "left" does not say anything, such generalizing is as useless as it is baseless. Not all conservatives want hardcore pornography censored (and, yes, I am a conservative), just as not all democrats support or liking NAMBLA, and I know many Democrats who are also strong Christians. Get over yourself, get out there and meet some people; these message boards are a horrible place to cement your political beliefs.

Democrats who are also strong Christians.

that does not exist

.... exsqueeze me? Baking powder? Where do you get the evidence or logic for such an assumption?
 

Moonbeam

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LMK: Because you can call any view you want 'bigoted', you can say that anyone is a 'hate monger', unless it's actually inciting people to cause destruction it's not your nor my place to tell someone else what freedom of speech they have and what thoughts they may espouse.
M: Oh man, LMK, not back to this BS again are we. I am not calling people bigots. I am applying the definition of bigot to those who fit the definition by their own words. Furthermore, I am not telling you what you can say or think. I am just telling you that what you say reveals that you are a bigot. You are free to spout your bigotry all you want, but you are evil to do so because you render aid and comfort to other anti-American traitor bigots. You are a contagion of ignorance. Sorry.

LMK: The left says that NAMBLA an organization dedicated to helping others learn how to molest boys has a 'freedom of speech'; but is constantly trying to say that trying to keep small children from being sate-sexualized is a thought that must be repressed for 'our own good' and 'evolution;

M: Isn't it annoying. I hate that too. If it weren't for those filthy lefties I's burn down Churches that spout garbage
like you do. I got no freedom at all. Makes me sick cause I just know in my heart that your God is the Devil and ought to burn. No mention of him should ever be made in civilized society. And the big diff between me and you is that I'm right and I's make sure there's nothing left of you. And what kind of crap are you to mention that filthy N word. Why promote and advertise their sick views.

LMK: I'm sure their are intelligent people who think otherwise, but I've been assaulted by enough ardent anti-Christians on this board to know that expressing and sharing your relegious views is something the 'progressives' want censored as much as the right wants censored hard-core pornography.

M: People who assault Christians are morons and bigots. And intelligence has nothing to do with bigotry, unfortunately. One can be quite bright and still be a raving bigot. Happens all the time. Bigotry happens at a level that the intellect can't access. You have to feel to get well. For the bigot thinking is just one big circle. At the end of the day the bigot is right back to his bigotry. You gotta die to yourself to get free. I am a super progressive and I want a ban on all porn hard and soft. I despise people who use the sacred function of sex to sell or promote their ego. You are a tame moderate compared to me. And besides, you are not a Christian in spirit. You are a religious bigot.

LMK: (Democrats who are also strong Christians.) that does not exist

M: I know you don't really mean this. You are not that stupid.

God, do Ya think? Nah, can't be.

 

przero

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bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

Guess what moonie - that's you too!
 

LunarRay

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Romans828,
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that does not exist

Oh.... I'm a social liberal... (fiscal conservative) which means I align with the democratic platform on social issues and am very much a Christian. I also understand the legal process related to earthly issues. In this nation the religion or absence of religion that folks practice was and is affirmed by the USSC to be very much separate from the laws that enable each of us to practice what we please. To do less is to deny a group their rights. This is wrong!
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: przero
bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

Guess what moonie - that's you too!


Hehehehehe, cute... but, no banana.

Moonbeam argues against the organized attempt to deny some other group their rights because of the opinions and prejudices held by the folks who wish to deny others their rights.
 
May 10, 2001
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Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
oppression of freedom of independent thought is definitely a left-wing objective;

otherwise the term 'bigot' wouldn't be thrown around so idiotically, as it's 'OK' to censor bigots, isn't it? and it's OK to censor those that want to 'oppress' you, isn't it? and it's wrong to allow people to 'force' their religion down your through, isn't it?

How is this oppression of freedom of independent thought?

I'll ask this again. ^

Because you can call any view you want 'bigoted', you can say that anyone is a 'hate monger', unless it's actually inciting people to cause destruction it's not your nor my place to tell someone else what freedom of speech they have and what thoughts they may espouse.

The left says that NAMBLA an organization dedicated to helping others learn how to molest boys has a 'freedom of speech'; but is constantly trying to say that trying to keep small children from being sate-sexualized is a thought that must be repressed for 'our own good' and 'evolution;

I'm sure their are intelligent people who think otherwise, but I've been assaulted by enough ardent anti-Christians on this board to know that expressing and sharing your relegious views is something the 'progressives' want censored as much as the right wants censored hard-core pornography.

The "left" does not say anything, such generalizing is as useless as it is baseless. Not all conservatives want hardcore pornography censored (and, yes, I am a conservative), just as not all democrats support or liking NAMBLA, and I know many Democrats who are also strong Christians. Get over yourself, get out there and meet some people; these message boards are a horrible place to cement your political beliefs.

Beginning of my last paragraph indicates that i wasn't speaking of all people who vote democrat or republican, but gave my reasons for not stipulating a minority of either; I understand the plurality of views, and i understand that our election system brings the most moderate sounding extremist to elected office, so the majority extremist views on either side is important.

I'm trying to point-out it's dangerous to go about thinking opposing view are deserving of being censored.

as for Christians: i doubt that Christ has any political affiliation*, he was neither a Pharisee nor a Sagisee; he was good and right; Black Baptists tend to be democrats and black Baptists tend to be good Christians.

*but i know he's very pro-Children's rights, above that of other humans.
 
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Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: przero
There is no law to prevent me from refusing to hire any non-minority for simply not liking them. A minority is another matter. Why should gays, polygamist, child molesters, etc. be granted that right via minority status?

Are gay people criminals?
replace the word polygamists with whore-mongers.

... you mean pimps? AFAIK that's already illegal in most states.

no i mean those that have sex with woman-after-woman.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: przero
There is no law to prevent me from refusing to hire any non-minority for simply not liking them. A minority is another matter. Why should gays, polygamist, child molesters, etc. be granted that right via minority status?

Are gay people criminals?
replace the word polygamists with whore-mongers.

... you mean pimps? AFAIK that's already illegal in most states.

no i mean those that have sex with woman-after-woman.

You mean women are whores because that is the implication. Wow!
 

BlitzCraig64

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Ok Moonie, I mean Moonbeam, Since you called me a bigot...I have turned over a new leaf....I now think being homosexual is acceptable, why don't we teach grades 1-6 how to be a good homosexual...we can have classroom demonstrations and the library computers need to be able to get gay porn......also, marry a dog or a horse or don't marry them, just screw them,don't want to get tied down you know. I don't need the law or even the Bible to tell me it is wrong to kill, steal, commit adultery, bear false witness, etc. I just know, just like I know it is wrong to live as a homosexual. Screwing up a kids mind depends on your definition of that statement. Just because you say it...it must be true as I have a great deal of respect for your opinion. Different people have different values and morals....or the lack of......I rarely use my faith to argue a point, but in this situation....that is the core of my logic. I will teach my children that God is the ruler of existence ,Jesus Christ died and arose to pay for sins,and that satan is deceiving people, like you. By the definition of the word bigot given above....I guess I am. Guess what....so are you, bigoted against people with opinions that vary from yours. Typical liberal.....make rules for and define everyone else, but exempt yourself it. This is just another sign of society going straight to hell.......keep thinking that there will be no consequences. As a society we have come a long way with technology, medicine, education, but we still haven't conquered death. Your logic is nothing more than a deluded and deceived mind at work. You have no discernment of anything more than what you can see, touch, taste, smell, or hear....I am sure you hear voices....so did Jeffry Dahmer and Ted Bundy.
 
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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: przero
There is no law to prevent me from refusing to hire any non-minority for simply not liking them. A minority is another matter. Why should gays, polygamist, child molesters, etc. be granted that right via minority status?

Are gay people criminals?
replace the word polygamists with whore-mongers.

... you mean pimps? AFAIK that's already illegal in most states.

no i mean those that have sex with woman-after-woman.

You mean women are whores because that is the implication. Wow!

Main Entry: whore·mas·ter
Pronunciation: -"mas-t&r
Function: noun
: a man consorting with whores or given to lechery

i intended the lechery part.

now why are you distracting from the issue?
 

BlitzCraig64

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Oh..and Moonbeams arguments would hold if I or anyone else on this board were trying to force there opinion down his throat. We are just expressing, as he is, our opinion. I don't know about anyone else, but I am not organizing a militia to force my opinion on him. If I am a bigot, then I am not a very committed one. The whole point of this thread was homosexual books in public schools. What two consenting adults do in there own home is there business, but a school has no business trying to influence a child on a social issue like this. They need to teach facts and figures only. I will decide what my child learns about these issues.....no matter what.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: przero
There is no law to prevent me from refusing to hire any non-minority for simply not liking them. A minority is another matter. Why should gays, polygamist, child molesters, etc. be granted that right via minority status?

Are gay people criminals?
replace the word polygamists with whore-mongers.

... you mean pimps? AFAIK that's already illegal in most states.

no i mean those that have sex with woman-after-woman.

You mean women are whores because that is the implication. Wow!

Main Entry: whore·mas·ter
Pronunciation: -"mas-t&r
Function: noun
: a man consorting with whores or given to lechery

i intended the lechery part.

now why are you distracting from the issue?

whormaster: 1. A man who associates with or pays for sexual relations with prostitutes or a prostitute.
2. A pimp

So when you said no to pimp you meant yes, and when you said those that have sex with woman after woman you meant those that have sex with whore after whore, though I doubt that your Fundi Christian fear of sexuality allows you to distinguish woman from whore. Your bigotry spills over into everything.