N.C. Parents upset over Homosexual Children's book

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: przero
So you are saying society can issue no rules regarding adult relationships or adult/child relaationship if a judge agrees?

I'm saying a scoiety which resricts people from engaging in consentual behavior which harms no one other than peoples bias/gag factor should'nt be restricted. We do that we're getting real close to taliban. They don't allow gays, premerital sex, "loose women", drugs among other things. It's all about freedom to enjoy ones life the way they see fit so long as they don't step on your toes. No one has provided any evidence of harm coming to society allowing gay relationships; other than the god says so or the irrational "it's discussting". Sure it is, I admit it...but I'm still a bigot a bit..need to change..But that's my problem not thiers.

 

[przero]

"I'm saying a scoiety which resricts people from engaging in consentual behavior which harms no one other than peoples bias/gag factor should'nt be restricted. We do that we're getting real close to taliban. They don't allow gays, premerital sex, "loose women", drugs among other things. It's all about freedom to enjoy ones life the way they see fit so long as they don't step on your toes. No one has provided any evidence of harm comming to society allowing gay relationships other than god says so or irrational "it's discussting". Sure it is I admit it...but I'm still a bigot a bit..need to change..But that's my problem not thiers. "

I agree! But why would I have to hire them if I didn't like their lifestyle? Where is my right?

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: przero
"I'm saying a scoiety which resricts people from engaging in consentual behavior which harms no one other than peoples bias/gag factor should'nt be restricted. We do that we're getting real close to taliban. They don't allow gays, premerital sex, "loose women", drugs among other things. It's all about freedom to enjoy ones life the way they see fit so long as they don't step on your toes. No one has provided any evidence of harm comming to society allowing gay relationships other than god says so or irrational "it's discussting". Sure it is I admit it...but I'm still a bigot a bit..need to change..But that's my problem not thiers. "

I agree! But why would I have to hire them if I didn't like their lifestyle? Where is my right?

What would your rights entail? Would a gay employee force himself on you? Maybe hit on you a little bit? Get you a little drunk and next think you know you're waking up in San Francisco and you're married to him?

 

[przero]

Suppose I just don't want to hire him?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: przero
"I'm saying a scoiety which resricts people from engaging in consentual behavior which harms no one other than peoples bias/gag factor should'nt be restricted. We do that we're getting real close to taliban. They don't allow gays, premerital sex, "loose women", drugs among other things. It's all about freedom to enjoy ones life the way they see fit so long as they don't step on your toes. No one has provided any evidence of harm comming to society allowing gay relationships other than god says so or irrational "it's discussting". Sure it is I admit it...but I'm still a bigot a bit..need to change..But that's my problem not thiers. "

I agree! But why would I have to hire them if I didn't like their lifestyle? Where is my right?

You have the right to move to Iran. "I don't want to hire black people. Where's my rights?"

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: przero
Suppose I just don't want to hire him?

Well, that depends on the employment laws of your particular state, but I would ask you why you feel he would be an unfit employee if his credentials, attitude and experience were comparable or better to other candidates.

 

[przero]

You may marry, him not me. Got a wife of 27 years. Ain't leaving her.

 

[przero]

Say I just don't like him. Don't like his attitude.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: przero
"I'm saying a scoiety which resricts people from engaging in consentual behavior which harms no one other than peoples bias/gag factor should'nt be restricted. We do that we're getting real close to taliban. They don't allow gays, premerital sex, "loose women", drugs among other things. It's all about freedom to enjoy ones life the way they see fit so long as they don't step on your toes. No one has provided any evidence of harm comming to society allowing gay relationships other than god says so or irrational "it's discussting". Sure it is I admit it...but I'm still a bigot a bit..need to change..But that's my problem not thiers. "

I agree! But why would I have to hire them if I didn't like their lifestyle? Where is my right?

If you agree then your bias should'nt stop you from hiring one right so it's a moot point? This will all take time and I would'nt FORCE anyone to accept them on a personal or even professional level... mearly let them have a relationship and all the legal benefits that goes along with being married.

As far as AA for gays I could'nt see this coming to pass since thier median income and employablity is in the stratosphere relative from things I've read.

 

[przero]

There is no law to prevent me from refusing to hire any non-minority for simply not liking them. A minority is another matter. Why should gays, polygamist, child molesters, etc. be granted that right via minority status?

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: przero
You may marry, him not me. Got a wife of 27 years. Ain't leaving her.

I'm not particularly interested in marrying a man, seeing as I'm not gay. But one of my best friends is gay, and if someday he should desire such a union, who am I to deny him that right?

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: przero
There is no law to prevent me from refusing to hire any non-minority for simply not liking them. A minority is another matter. Why should gays, polygamist, child molesters, etc. be granted that right via minority status?

Are gay people criminals?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: przero
Say I just don't like him. Don't like his attitude.

Just say you're a bigot. Bigots are people who can find no justification for their bias but are biased anyway. It's a mental illness, an irrationality. I don't like broccoli so broccoli should die.

 

[przero]

"If you agree then your bias should'nt stop you from hiring one right so it's a moot point? "

I am agreeing on their right to a relationship with a consenting adult, not minority status.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: przero
You may marry, him not me. Got a wife of 27 years. Ain't leaving her.

I'm not particularly interested in marrying a man, seeing as I'm not gay. But one of my best friends is gay, and if someday he should desire such a union, who am I to deny him that right?

Give me his number and I'll tell him to propose to you right away.

 

[przero]

Whoa! You saying if I don't like someone then I am a bigot?

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: przero
You may marry, him not me. Got a wife of 27 years. Ain't leaving her.

I'm not particularly interested in marrying a man, seeing as I'm not gay. But one of my best friends is gay, and if someday he should desire such a union, who am I to deny him that right?

Give me his number and I'll tell him to propose to you right away.

lol Oops, didn't realize it would come off in such a manner!

 

[Moonbeam]

lol Oops, didn't realize it would come off in such a manner!

Hehe! I didn't think so.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
lol Oops, didn't realize it would come off in such a manner!

Hehe! I didn't think so.

So, back to why gay people are evil and should be locked up, or at the very least discriminated against in hiring.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: przero
There is no law to prevent me from refusing to hire any non-minority for simply not liking them. A minority is another matter. Why should gays, polygamist, child molesters, etc. be granted that right via minority status?

Common Przero, I thought you were having a serious discussion. then you go and group totally unrelated relationships which I've shown you to have extreme differences together. If you really believe a child molestor and a couple men/women sleeping together are the same. I don't really know what else to say.

 

[przero]

My whole point in this conversation is to say this:
Society as a WHOLE should determine laws governing these things. Not you, not me, and for sure not MoonBeam. All of us collectively. State by state. California wants to legalize pedophelia, not my business. I don't vote there. Utah wants polygamy, work out. Here in Louisiana, I will cast my vote as I wish, and will accept the will of the people, whatever they decide.

Now for the record. I would not vote to outlaw gay relationships or sodomy, etc. Not my business. I would vote against gay "marriages", but not civil unions. I would not vote for minortiy status for any sexual preference category. I would vote against polygamy, etc. I have friends and aquaintences that are gay/lesbian, and I don't beat them up about it. We get along just fine. I have yet to drag any gay/lesbian/minority behind my pick-up truck. I do my very best to get along with and HELP eveyone regardless of who or what they are. But I DO NOT like being told I have to do this or that because of who they are! Now if that makes me a BIGOT, then so be it.

 

[przero]

You should be able to hire who you want.

 

[przero]

" If you really believe a child molestor and a couple men/women sleeping together are the same"

I don't, but it won't be long before they will be seeking approval of their actions, ala NAMBLA.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: przero
"But, you shouldn't be able to band together a flock of like minded dis-agreers and seek to deny some other group rights that you enjoy and that they should also be able to enjoy."

Now who decides what group should have equal rights? Should polygamists? Necrophiliacs? Child molesters? NAMBLA? Who decides? Just tell me that?

If you read my posts you'll see that the criteria is based on the legality of the group.. the ones you mentioned are illegal..
The who who decides is the Law of the Land..

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: przero
"Two consenting adults of sound mind. "

So, ANYTHING 2 adults agree on to do is fine? It's there right to publish books on it and have kids read it?

IF it is legal to do then it is legal for you to do it and me and everyone else. If you have a particular issue then it is you responsibility to tend to that issue. It is not a societial issue unless it can be shown to, in fact, violate some law or another.