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Myths dispelled, a list.

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Originally posted by: chizow
I like the "I play [ insert latest game title here ] on [ anything other than maybe a 9700pro ] at 1600x1200x32 with 4x AA and 64-tap AF and it looks fine."
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Chiz

rotflmao

nice post😀

oh yes and fishtank your posts are always an Enlightening read thanks
 
Oh sorry guys....I forgot this is what ever is posted is gospel and not to be discussed or debated...I must be confused on the idea of a forum....:roll


No one is getting excited except the idiots coming in telling ppl to chill and cool down....There is no big battle just ppls personal opinions and experiences.

Go away if you don't want to discuss things, cause I will if I have something to add!!!
 
I had a 75gxp and it died, I was sad. Then my brother had his seagate die, he was sad. Fujitsu had bad glue on a bunch and they all died b/c it was corrosive, many were sad.

Overall I think that the durability (not like dropping wise) of hardrives has gone down, or maybe we just stress them more, but I find my old 5 GB IBM works perfect, my 18GB WD works perfect and an old 6 GB seagate work great, all of them are like 4 years old.

Maybe I am crazy though.
 
Originally posted by: Duvie
Oh sorry guys....I forgot this is what ever is posted is gospel and not to be discussed or debated...I must be confused on the idea of a forum....:roll


they just dont get it do they duvie?

No one is getting excited except the idiots coming in telling ppl to chill and cool down....There is no big battle just ppls personal opinions and experiences.

Go away if you don't want to discuss things, cause I will if I have something to add!!!

this thread imho is meant to dispel the bs that gets in they way of buying hardware,where said problem doesn't apply anymore.
it isn't to start a war on opinions.after all everyone has their own ideas about <insert company name here>

but how many people who got burned by a company or a product hold that against that company for life?




1) ATi drivers...yes much better, but generally still on the lame side in my opinion...I own ati cards and have been 3 out of my last 5 vid cards. I also frequent www.raged3d.com a lot and I have to say they still are quite buggy. Their MMC package while very good and the best in the industry (but more so cause no one offers much of a competing platform) it still has several issues and often many can't get all functions working properly. The driver install and reinstall is more tedious then the nvidia drivers, as one needs to gfo through more steps to sure any and all reminence of older drivers are gone or you could have issues. Lets also not forget if they were not buggy and this is including nvidia we wouldn't have so many revision sets. I just downloading official 2.4 cataylst 1 week ago to download 2.5 last night...cmon!!!!

here i disagree though as nvidia is putting out as many as ati.
however i was suprised to see that there is a vast difference in the way nvidia goes about generating their visuals compared to ati and that might explain the reason they don't run into as many bugs...
 
I stated that in the quote that nvidia as well as ATI are constantly releasing new driver sets...It is almost a weekly ritual....

I think there is a quick rush to get things into the marketplace and they have that bill gates and microsoft policy "get it out first, and we can fix the bugs later"...ATI and Nvidia do both get gained performance out of tweaking. If the updates were only tweaking I wouldn't say much. However often it is fixing bugs and issues.
 
MYTH: 2 IDE drives in RAID0 are twice as fast as a single drive.

One thing I can say is the aforementioned configuration is probably TWICE as ATTRACTIVE! (to enthusiasts)

Cheers!
 
I have to agree that AMD systems aren't loud. My computer, with a 1900+, GF4 4400 (Leadtek for low noise), etc, is more quiet than any of my friends'.
 
Originally posted by: Duvie
I think there is a quick rush to get things into the marketplace and they have that bill gates and microsoft policy "get it out first, and we can fix the bugs later"

Hehe of course....is there a cheaper or faster method of Beta testing software than millions of Windows users?

Chiz
 
Originally posted by: Jellomancer
I have to agree that AMD systems aren't loud. My computer, with a 1900+, GF4 4400 (Leadtek for low noise), etc, is more quiet than any of my friends'.

Advancements in case and HSF design have allowed for this too. No longer a need for extreme case mods to keep your system temps nice and low. You can buy cases with tons of fan mounts for cheap. I learned this lesson very early on, had a 60mm 7200rpm Delta "Screamer" on my first T-bird and was like "Mother of God!!! The Noise!!!! :Q

Made some blow holes, switched to a Alpha 8045 and all has been good 😀

Chiz
 
ATI and Nvidia do both get gained performance out of tweaking. If the updates were only tweaking I wouldn't say much. However often it is fixing bugs and issues.
Would you prefer they leave the bugs in the drivers? Weening out bugs is an important process in designing any kind of software. The problem is, there will never be an absence of them. There will ALWAYS be bugs in software. You will find some system configuration that doesn't like it for one reason or another. It is just impossible to test for that. So, companies that fix the bugs are just doing their jobs. They will always be there, and fixes sometimes create new ones, but they will try their hardest to get rid of them.
 
I agree.....However the fact they market all-in-wonder cards and the fact that so so many have issues trying to get it to do what was advertised and marketing has a way of pissing ppl off...At least with my nvidia card all the fetaures worked and the driver updates were not as critical for me since I play little to none in way of games, and I am not obsessed with 3dmark scores!!!
 
Originally posted by: FishTankX

AMD CPU's are power sucking monsters from hell (2600+ thoroughbred draws less current than a 2.0A, actually granting it lower power usage per clock! :Q)

But it runs at 1.65v versus 1.5v for the 2.0A, thus not granting it lower power usage per clock.

 
myth: windows is still an unstable and slow system

*beeeeb* wrong. windows xp is rock solid and the days where you needed unix or some other geek OS to be stable are history for the home user.
 
I'm sorry ... Windows XP isn't rock solid ...
It's one step closer to being that ... but not rock solid ... Windows 2000 is way better IMHO
Simple and effecient.
 
AthlonXP's are hot enough to make a room uncomfortable (WTF?! It's >80 watts people! My airconditioner has 1500 watts of cooling power.)

1500w of AC is cooling the whole house, unless you are refering to those window-mounted AC units. Turn off your AC. You will feel it😉 If you have smaller, enclosed room, 80watts is like an incubator (I think they use 80-100w light bulbs to hatch chicks...)
 
dunno if it's a myth, but it's a funny story...

"mp3's sound horrible compared to CD"

a non-technical friend of mine thought so, so I recorded the same song onto CD 3 different ways. 1) original 2) 196kbps lame 3) 128kbps lame with a bit of bass and treble EQ added in (just to throw a loop).

He listened (quite carefully I might add) on my reference system as well as on his grado's for about 20 minutes and declared that #3 was CD and #2 and #1 sounded terrible. not a scientific test, but worth a good laugh.

 
Randum:Northwood is 55+, and right now the 3.06 has reached a scorching 80. Most AthlonXP's are within the 60-80 range. At the same performance level, on the same instruction set, CPU's will probably put out the same level of heat.
 
Originally posted by: merlocka
dunno if it's a myth, but it's a funny story...

"mp3's sound horrible compared to CD"

a non-technical friend of mine thought so, so I recorded the same song onto CD 3 different ways. 1) original 2) 196kbps lame 3) 128kbps lame with a bit of bass and treble EQ added in (just to throw a loop).

He listened (quite carefully I might add) on my reference system as well as on his grado's for about 20 minutes and declared that #3 was CD and #2 and #1 sounded terrible. not a scientific test, but worth a good laugh.

Hehe I totally believe that. He must've gotten some poorly recorded mp3's off the net or something though, as those are pretty common 🙁

Chiz
 
Randum:Northwood is 55+, and right now the 3.06 has reached a scorching 80. Most AthlonXP's are within the 60-80 range. At the same performance level, on the same instruction set, CPU's will probably put out the same level of heat.

But isn't that 3.06 ghz P4 with HT enabled or not? At the same performance levels (PR rating), AMD CPU's are still hotter (for one thing, they run at a higher core voltage). That is a fact.
The 3.06ghz P4 is alone at the top right now. If you compare a 2800+ XP and a 2.8ghz P4, the AMD is still hotter.
I still don't understand why AMD fanboys are in denial about this. You can make an argument about ,like, it really doesn't bother me. Or AMD XP's are still cheaper at the lower end. And on price point on CPU's like the 1600+ XP, the low price justifies the slightly higher heat output. These are all valid arguments. But when arguing on the basis of heat per clock speed ( or by PR rating, which is what AMD fanboys want), AMD CPU's will always runs hotter UNLESS they manage to run them at a lower voltage (then, we see what happens).
If the integrated heat spreader is such a 'big factor' in the P4's lower temps like somebody alleged, they why doesn't AMD put them on their own CPU's then? Here's why I think Intel can come up with a cooler running CPU: lower core voltages, better thermal management, little additions like the heat spreader (protects the core from cracking too) and better overall manufacturing. Don't get me wrong, if I'm building a PC on a budget, I wouldn't hesitate on getting an AMD system. but once you start moving up the upgrade path where cost and quality begin to blur, Intel systems are more attractive. And this is from a guy whose last Intel system until recently was a 486DX33.
 
Add SMP ... two procs is twice as fast as one to that list.

Perhaps not 2X as fast but I can tell you my SMP AMD system leaves my P4 uniprocessor system in the DUST! I have to wait for the P4 most of the time. (when multi tasking, etc.)


The next thing I was going to dispell is WEP in wireless networks. People will enable WEP for "security".
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Cheers!
 
Originally posted by: sharkeeper
Add SMP ... two procs is twice as fast as one to that list.

Perhaps not 2X as fast but I can tell you my SMP AMD system leaves my P4 uniprocessor system in the DUST! I have to wait for the P4 most of the time. (when multi tasking, etc.)
Of course it IS faster but (as you've agreed) it simply isn't twice as fast .... maybe 1.3 to 1.5x if you're lucky and perhaps 1.75x under absolutely perfect conditions.

Thorin
 
Of course it IS faster but (as you've agreed) it simply isn't twice as fast .... maybe 1.3 to 1.5x if you're lucky and perhaps 1.75x under absolutely perfect conditions.

Thorin

A better way to phrase this would be something along the lines of comparing a SMP 1.2 GHz MP system to a 2400+ Uniprocessor system. Yes for gaming and stuff that a lot of people do here the 2400+ system will be faster. HOWEVER, for those of us that multi task and frequently have a process that pegs their CPU to 100%, having that extra CPU lets you still work like nothing is running! Therefore, I'd choose the lower clocked SMP system.

It *is* possible to get impressive CPU throughput IF the application is SMP aware and coded efficiently. SETI will certainly finish quite faster using both cpu's as will the cow program. (RC5)

Next Myth is a 48X CDR will cut your burning time in half over a 24X model!

Cheers!
 
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