"Mythical" prehistory?

[ringtail]

So the whole pop notion (I reference Michael Cremo) of “Atlantis” pretty much rests upon what Plato(extreme flaming gay) scratched into rock tablets.

To decide whether he was just spinning fantasy for amusement of little children, or else maybe was REPORTING somethng real...seems virtually unknowable in 2014. Is it?

Plato states Atlantis was beyond the "Pillars of Hercules.”

Where the friggin' hell was that? Not one human on Gaia Earth today truly KNOWS the answer...it's all a sea of fascinating, tantalizing conjecture. Was Platos even reporting something Real? Or was he playfully being metaphorical to teach people something?


The most INTENSE scholarship the world has seen has never found one single shred of any true meaning of what the hell Plato was going on about in his story of "Atlantis." Goggle-eyed true-believers start invoking Edgar Cayce and others. So where does that leave u

The popular ass-u-me -ption is that Plato's "pillars of Hercules" = Straights of Gibralter, suggesting that "Atlantis" existed somewhere (but where exactly?) west of Gibraltar.

However, some say that whole ass-u-me-mption about Pillars of Hercules was mistaken...and that if you lived within Plato's culture you'd automatically understand his reference to "pillars of Hercules" was about the east end of Greece to CAPE MATAPAN and CAPE MALEAS, EAST of mainland Greece...drastically opposite Gibralter. If that's right then all the folks depending on Gibralter as the clue are totally wrong. If Atlantis was even real at all. (To be fair, plent of others think "Atlantis" references some existence on another world predating some time that humans got onto Earth, either by panspermia, or by genetic seeding mothered by some extra terrestrial beings, or by other means...we'll never know the true facts and it doesn't matter).

If true, Plato's "Atlantis" was far east, like maybe on the dry land that fairy recently slumped under the ocean and became what we call the "persian gulf" (intentionally not capitalized because those assholes don't deserve ANY respect) tacizing about something that never was? (I give that 40% credibility, or maybe on the land that got buried under sand and is now called Sainai. One way (water) or another (sand) some big, populated landmass got "submerged."

Then you have your contemporary, therefore seemingly more rational, “middlin” theorists (conjecturists actually, because a “theory” requires evidence!!!) who say “Atlantis” did exist, not west of Gibralter in the Pacific, but instead was in Portugal, or else in what is today lowlands of southwest Spain.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

So the whole pop notion (I reference Michael Cremo) of “Atlantis” pretty much rests upon what Plato(extreme flaming gay) scratched into rock tablets.

To decide whether he was just spinning fantasy for amusement of little children, or else maybe was REPORTING somethng real...seems virtually unknowable in 2014. Is it?

Plato states Atlantis was beyond the "Pillars of Hercules.”


Where the friggin' hell was that? Not one human on Gaia Earth today truly KNOWS the answer...it's all a sea of fascinating, tantalizing conjecture. Was Platos even reporting something Real? Or was he playfully being metaphorical to teach people something?


The most INTENSE scholarship the world has seen has never found one single shred of any true meaning of what the hell Plato was going on about in his story of "Atlantis." Goggle-eyed true-believers start invoking Edgar Cayce and others. So where does that leave us?




The popular ass-u-me -ption is that Plato's "pillars of Hercules" = Straights of Gibralter, suggesting that "Atlantis" existed somewhere (but where exactly?) west of Gibraltar.



However, some say that whole ass-u-me-mption about Pillars of Hercules was mistaken...and that if you lived within Plato's culture you'd automatically understand his reference to "pillars of Hercules" was about the east end of Greece to CAPE MATAPAN and CAPE MALEAS, EAST of mainland Greece...drastically opposite Gibralter. If that's right then all the folks depending on Gibralter as the clue are totally wrong. If Atlantis was even real at all. (To be fair, plent of others think "Atlantis" references some existence on another world predating some time that humans got onto Earth, either by panspermia, or by genetic seeding mothered by some extra terrestrial beings, or by other means...we'll never know the true facts and it doesn't matter).



If true, Plato's "Atlantis" was far east, like maybe on the dry land that fairy recently slumped under the ocean and became what we call the "persian gulf" (intentionally not capitalized because those assholes don't deserve ANY respect) tacizing about something that never was? (I give that 40% credibility, or maybe on the land that got buried under sand and is now called Sainai. One way (water) or another (sand) some big, populated landmass got "submerged."


Then you have your contemporary, therefore seemingly more rational, “middlin” theorists (conjecturists actually, because a “theory” requires evidence!!!) who say “Atlantis” did exist, not west of Gibralter in the Pacific, but instead was in Portugal, or else in what is today lowlands of southwest Spain.

What you are doing is the anthropological and archaeological equivalent of presenting Fleischmann and Pons' research.

 

[ringtail]

What you are doing is the anthropological and archaeological equivalent of presenting Fleischmann and Pons' research.

naw not cold fusion..I TRULY wonder & thought maybe some others might like to discuss. Those guys were PUSHING FORWARD ideas they WANTED OTHERS to buy into. I don't have any idea like that at all. I was merely thinking some others in this place might like to contribute thoughts. After all, that atlatntis lemuria stuff is afoot all around, inflicting the heads of people I love...

If your attitude represents that of the AT collective, then I guess we can't have any discussion of such a topic after all.

 

[norseamd]

Have you ever heard of the Bronze Age Collapse?

 

[sandorski]

Some dude went to China, saw unexpected shit, then told of it back home. Or that Mediterranean island destroyed by a volcano had an early city on it.

It likely is based on some truth, but has become exaggerated over time. Just like Legends/Myths tend to do.

 

[Craig234]

I don't know, but people then were susceptible to myths - remember how Romans would say their country was created? If Atlantis were any significant thing, I think we'd have found archeological evidence by now. Leaving it to either 'pure myth' or 'great exaggeration' as the likely cases.

In the 1800's, the Encylopedia Britannica said that there likely were actual Unicorns in Africa. When people don't know something... remember the 'fountain of youth'?

 

[Sattern]

I think you should watch one of the Ancient Aliens episodes where they talk about Atlantis being a port for extra-terrestrials to monitor the development of our planet.

I strongly believe its there and hidden with some advanced technology near the bermuda triangle where we won't be able to access any part of that water without us advancing first.

 

[RandomWords]

people then were susceptible to myths

people now are susceptible to myths... not only then. It was likely just a myth which... in some ways it seems like Plato was just trying to compile a full version of the beginnings/nature/creation of man - much like they did with evolution - but a whole lot wordier... to explain why something was the way it was - this was common for them to do in that time period and occurred with all types of things - like panda's being black and white; the sun/moon rising; etc. (humans seem to have the desire to explain where they come from - although they may never know for certain - and how things work)

There are plausible explanations for this Atlantis story - like the Minoan Civilization is a major possibility; the city of Tartessos is also a possibility... there's even a comment somewhere that Aristotle said Plato made up the story of Atlantis to make a point... though he never finished it... and that the numbers are wrong - instead of 9000 and 2500 it should have been 900 and 250 - but it is all debatable.

 

[Craig234]

I think you should watch one of the Ancient Aliens episodes where they talk about Atlantis being a port for extra-terrestrials to monitor the development of our planet.

I strongly believe its there and hidden with some advanced technology near the bermuda triangle where we won't be able to access any part of that water without us advancing first.

You are susceptible to irrational speculation.

To say anything more than you have speculation based on highly insufficient evidence is not justified. To say you strongly believe it is deluded.

That's worrisome but informative that people are that irrational.

 

[JEDIYoda]

people now are susceptible to myths...

exactly!! Just like the myth that there is no God.....

 

[smackababy]

I am confused at why the OP felt it necessary to mention Plato as an 'extreme flaming gay'. Does that discredit anything he wrote? What significance is his sexual preference? This is DC, not P&N; I would assume posting such inflammatory (puns, we like them!) nonsense when trying to have a real discussion is frowned upon.

 

[RandomWords]

exactly!! Just like the myth that there is no God.....

I have a feeling you are mocking me in some way... is it the evolution thing? I was just comparing human's need to explain their origins - evolution is a means they use to explain their origins as might be the Atlantis story... and was the first thing I thought of before the multiple God theories out there that do the same thing.

 

[sm625]

The concept of an Atlantis is hardly "entirely mythical". Try listening to Randall Carlson. There is strong evidence that suggests rapid climate change and rapidly changing sea levels throughout even our known history of civilization. And Graham Hancock and others have shown that our "known" civilization extends much further back than we thought. Look into Göbekli Tepe.

 

[norseamd]

There is growing research into sedentry settlements in the Mesolithic. This could include agriculture, walls and basic urban planning, and religious culture. I fail to see how this would prove or even be connected with very outlandish theories.

 

[inachu]

I have read into some things about pre history and that Egypt has the most complete set of total earth history but a war happened and most if not all the information was wiped out.

Some people get angry when a truth is told and held onto when true history does not match their version of relgion. Way back then Israeli people did not worship one god but 3 gods. Isis,Ra, EL(MARDUK) Which is funny as that is where Israel got the name Israel from anyway. But going back even farther people have noted that earth history has been wiped out 7 times. Each time a ruling empire is created then gets wiped out.

 

[norseamd]

 

[Craig234]

I have read into some things about pre history and that Egypt has the most complete set of total earth history but a war happened and most if not all the information was wiped out.

Yes, Egypt had the great library with the most complete collection of ancient writings, and an invader chose to burn it, one of the greatest losses to our history ever.

 

[inachu]

Yes, Egypt had the great library with the most complete collection of ancient writings, and an invader chose to burn it, one of the greatest losses to our history ever.

Even Carl Sagan spoke about it on his TV series COSMOS.

 

[Craig234]

Even Carl Sagan spoke about it on his TV series COSMOS.

It even seems to me that that act helped set the popular view of the military as threatening to knowledge and culture in a way, from 'The Planet of the Apes' setting the military gorillas against the 'education chimpanzees'; it came up again when in the Iraq war, the Bush administration failed to protect museums causing another massive loss of ancient things.

 

[inachu]

It even seems to me that that act helped set the popular view of the military as threatening to knowledge and culture in a way, from 'The Planet of the Apes' setting the military gorillas against the 'education chimpanzees'; it came up again when in the Iraq war, the Bush administration failed to protect museums causing another massive loss of ancient things.

People just do not care anymore.

They guide their religious seal with their phallus and they drag and wipe it around that their ego is through the roof. Same reason when people use symbolic imagery in the church to say the man is king and so he now has a right to beat and KO his wife.

Never mix low intellect with authority then you get nothing but wars.

 

[norseamd]

Yes, Egypt had the great library with the most complete collection of ancient writings, and an invader chose to burn it, one of the greatest losses to our history ever.

Library of Alexandria. But not the only library in history. The Library of Baghdad was destroyed when Mongke Khan invaded. One of the Yongle encyclopedias was destroyed in the fighting involving foreign militaries in the Boxer Rebellion.

 

[Craig234]

Library of Alexandria. But not the only library in history. The Library of Baghdad was destroyed when Mongke Khan invaded. One of the Yongle encyclopedias was destroyed in the fighting involving foreign militaries in the Boxer Rebellion.

I agree, but I didn't say 'only'.

 

[piasabird]

What he meant was that to find it you have to take a long sea voyage. Besides he was probably taking about some place he never visited based on third hand knowledge. Don't discard everything written in books. Many cultures often embellished or stretched the truth because they had a different perspective or perhaps they had vivid imaginations or romantic ideas.

In the country of Korea they referenced things like dragons, Unicorns, and mythical creatures like the Turtle Snake the Fire Dragon the Blue Dragon, the Snow Leopard, etc. They also used animals as symbolic for their royalty and kingdoms. Turtle was a symbol of long life and royalty. Only an Emperor could wear a garment with a dragon seal with seven talons on each claw. The King's garment had 5. Rome used an eagle as a symbol of royalty or power. One emperor in Korea was Jumong on his tomb was a depiction of him riding a dragon to the Heavens. This is quite amazing since Jumong was born around 5 BC.

 

[inachu]

exactly!! Just like the myth that there is no God.....

Way back then the Israelites worshipped 3 gods.

 

[inachu]

What he meant was that to find it you have to take a long sea voyage. Besides he was probably taking about some place he never visited based on third hand knowledge. Don't discard everything written in books. Many cultures often embellished or stretched the truth because they had a different perspective or perhaps they had vivid imaginations or romantic ideas.

In the country of Korea they referenced things like dragons, Unicorns, and mythical creatures like the Turtle Snake the Fire Dragon the Blue Dragon, the Snow Leopard, etc. They also used animals as symbolic for their royalty and kingdoms. Turtle was a symbol of long life and royalty. Only an Emperor could wear a garment with a dragon seal with seven talons on each claw. The King's garment had 5. Rome used an eagle as a symbol of royalty or power. One emperor in Korea was Jumong on his tomb was a depiction of him riding a dragon to the Heavens. This is quite amazing since Jumong was born around 5 BC.

Chinese dragons were special also. The longer the moustache a dragon had the older and wiser it was.