[Mynavi.jp] AMD reveals plans to 2020.

[Mondozei]

Wccftech has an English-language write-up here.

Source, with lots of photos, here

It seems like AMD is banking on the slow death of the discrete GPU and that the future is APUs, which is why they are going for 300W APUs. This seems to corrobate with Linus Torvald's position that dGPUs are going to inevitably die because they are inefficient.

Of course this all assumes AMD will continue to live on, which they will, although probably under the umbrella of a larger company.

 

[wand3r3r]

While an APU has a purpose I still prefer discrete gpus so I hope they don't stagnate and die off too soon. I tend to upgrade regularly.

The other problem is that I would rather pair the best performing cpu at a certain price with the best performing gpu at whatever price range feels best at the time.

 

[5150Joker]

Well that's certainly one way to prop up their dying CPU business I guess. Just make them insanely high watt with packed in powerful graphics capabilities and people will buy the integrated board/cpu combos. Personally I hate the idea and will stick to discrete as long as I can. I have no desire to buy console like hardware that pigeon holes me to certain combinations and price segments. That's the unfortunate route a lot of the new laptops have taken with soldered CPU/GPU and it's terrible.

 

[StereoPixel]

AMD Greenland HBM graphics coming next year
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/37386-amd-working-on-greenland-hbm-graphics

 

[Silverforce11]

AMD Greenland HBM graphics coming next year
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/37386-amd-working-on-greenland-hbm-graphics

HBM is the catalyst to making APUs shine, because DDR3/4 is just too low bandwidth for it to work well and eDram is too small/costly.

I don't think dGPU is going to die off, but its certainly going to evolve to be High End & Enthusiast class only parts that are very very expensive.

 

[Qwertilot]

Not about propping up their CPU business so much. More about stuff like mobile graphics, and even the low/mid end of the GPU market.

Getting wiped out to lesser/greater degrees there at the moment but HBM equipped APUs should, in principle at least!, make it much easier for them.

AMD could be quite well placed in ~5 years if the market does go towards APUs. NV can't really follow them all that easily with no x86 and it isn't obvious if Intel truly want to. Got to survive to get there though

 

[Silverforce11]

Got to survive to get there though

They'll be fine financially. Even if they sell zero dGPUs for a few years.

Consoles + recent graphics IP to SoC makers generate enough income to survive.

200-300W APU with HBM will spank mid-range/high-end dGPU. The form factor would be amazing, its going to make for great mITX setups.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Am I the only one that notice that Next Gen GPU after Hawaii is from 2016?

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

Am I the only one that notice that Next Gen GPU after Hawaii is from 2016?

Most likely the GCN architecture successor.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Most likely the GCN architecture successor.

Thats my point. Makes me wonder what is 390X is then?

 

[Dribble]

Wccftech has an English-language write-up here.

Source, with lots of photos, here

It seems like AMD is banking on the slow death of the discrete GPU and that the future is APUs, which is why they are going for 300W APUs. This seems to corrobate with Linus Torvald's position that dGPUs are going to inevitably die because they are inefficient.

Of course this all assumes AMD will continue to live on, which they will, although probably under the umbrella of a larger company.

Just looks like they see a market in HPC for a cpu/gpu combo with HBM. I don't suspect this is particularly surprising to anyone including Nvidia or Intel who will probably do the same thing. I can't see them bothering with 300W APU's outside of HPC - there's no market for them.

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

Thats my point. Makes me wonder what is 390X is then?

A GCN iteration obviously. I don't think any rumours suggested otherwise.

 

[Cloudfire777]

A GCN iteration obviously. I don't think any rumours suggested otherwise.

There are a couple of slides that show power consumption near Titan X or a little above GTX 980.

A new architecture is required for that. So it means those slides are fake now that we know that new architecture isnt coming until 2016.
It pretty much confirms that most 300 series cards really are rebrands. If AMD had a new architecture ready now, they would have changed the entire lineup.
And it means mobile cards will still have Tonga with high TDP as the best AMD can offer. Which is way below Maxwell

 

[wand3r3r]

There are a couple of slides that show power consumption near Titan X or a little above GTX 980.

A new architecture is required for that. So it means those slides are fake now that we know that new architecture isnt coming until 2016.
It pretty much confirms that most 300 series cards really are rebrands. If AMD had a new architecture ready now, they would have changed the entire lineup.
And it means mobile cards will still have Tonga with high TDP as the best AMD can offer. Which is way below Maxwell

It seems to be a roadmap for APUs.

AMD will introduce Accelerated Processing Units with updated GPU architectures once every two years. It should be noted that this does not mean that AMD will only be introducing new graphics products every couple of years because that’s not the case. Discrete graphics cards will follow a faster cadence, this roadmap only serves to illustrate GPU architectures in relation to APUs.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Same slides are already posted in cpu forums. Seems strange that the roadmap says for 10 years but only goes to 2020. HBM may save apus, but it sure seems slow in coming. Also with the market going away from desktops and with power consumption paramount in servers, i am not sure where a 300 watt apu fits in. They need to scale it down to 40 or 50 watts and still get good performance for a laptop. Maybe with HBM and a die shrink they can do it.

 

[BSim500]

The form factor would be amazing, its going to make for great mITX setups.

Personally I can't wait for these "300w APU" tiny Mini-ITX's. They've got the required 1m high external cooler that will be dangling out the back of those tiny cases designed already... :biggrin:

"The dGPU is dead. The future is 300w APU's stuffed under one heatsink in a 2" high case". If this were two days later, I'd be calling April Fool...

 

[positivedoppler]

Same slides are already posted in cpu forums. Seems strange that the roadmap says for 10 years but only goes to 2020. HBM may save apus, but it sure seems slow in coming. Also with the market going away from desktops and with power consumption paramount in servers, i am not sure where a 300 watt apu fits in. They need to scale it down to 40 or 50 watts and still get good performance for a laptop. Maybe with HBM and a die shrink they can do it.

Thats because the gpu is going away. Apu with scalable igpu up to 300 watts. One way to look at it, its really the cpu thats dying

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

A new architecture is required for that.

Architectures evolve without becoming something "new" just because they add new features or improve efficiency.

As long as the core design is common across iterations, difference in performance does not a new arch make.

That's ignoring the presence of HBM in the mix.

 

[positivedoppler]

I think this pretty much confirms that AMD does not believe the dedicated CPU or GPU will survive. It will be on a single silicon in which the CPU size is x to 8 cores and the GPU can be scaled from y to 300 watts depending on gamer or VR need.

If ARMS don't go mainstream, Nvidia can kiss their future bye bye. I think that's the real reason why they've been pushing so hard for ARM SOCs and chrome, If x86 window maintains it's desktop and laptop dominance, we can kiss Nvidia bye bye in a few years.

 

[sandorski]

If APUs become more powerful than current CPU/GPU combos and continue to increase performance, we'll all be using APUs.

 

[raghu78]

I think this pretty much confirms that AMD does not believe the dedicated CPU or GPU will survive. It will be on a single silicon in which the CPU size is x to 8 cores and the GPU can be scaled from y to 300 watts depending on gamer or VR need.

If ARMS don't go mainstream, Nvidia can kiss their future bye bye. I think that's the real reason why they've been pushing so hard for ARM SOCs and chrome, If x86 window maintains it's desktop and laptop dominance, we can kiss Nvidia bye bye in a few years.

Nvidia's Tegra is an effort to reduce their dependence on Geforce revenue. But in the last 2 years Geforce has generated a larger portion of revenue than traditionally. I am sure Nvidia will feel the pain starting in 2017 when the Zen based APUs with HBM basically makes it unnecessary or rather completely redundant to buy a 100 - 120 sq mm discrete GPU.

 

[positivedoppler]

Nvidia's Tegra is an effort to reduce their dependence on Geforce revenue. But in the last 2 years Geforce has generated a larger portion of revenue than traditionally. I am sure Nvidia will feel the pain starting in 2017 when the Zen based APUs with HBM basically makes it unnecessary or rather completely redundant to buy a 100 - 120 sq mm discrete GPU.

ARM windows or breakthrough in mobile are probably the only things that will save them. Right now Samsung is in talks to buy AMD and in a few years if Intel can't scale their iGPU to 300 watts and compete, mark my words Nvidia will be bought out too by Intel. The semi industry is entering consolidation mode. Merge or purged.

 

[Cloudfire777]

It seems to be a roadmap for APUs.

Hawaii is obviously not part of any APU from 2014. Secondly, it says dGPU on the slide so the red part is their discrete GPUs.
Pretty much confirms rebrands from AMD and most likely a 390X with high power consumption in 2015

 

[Yuriman]

Nvidia's Tegra is an effort to reduce their dependence on Geforce revenue. But in the last 2 years Geforce has generated a larger portion of revenue than traditionally. I am sure Nvidia will feel the pain starting in 2017 when the Zen based APUs with HBM basically makes it unnecessary or rather completely redundant to buy a 100 - 120 sq mm discrete GPU.

Unless you need a high performance CPU. I doubt Intel will have anything even then that competes with nV's ~$100 dGPUs.

 

[positivedoppler]

Unless you need a high performance CPU. I doubt Intel will have anything even then that competes with nV's ~$100 dGPUs.

The increasing igpu realestate in Broadwell over the cpu should have Nvidia really worried in the sub $100 gpu market. VR might be the only thing that can jumpstart the need for dgpu though.