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My youtube vids just got hit by that copyright BS crap :/

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Somebody posted a link earlier, you could contact the EFF. Sounds like they might be interested in taking some of these cases to court.

I really don't know if using background music in a video constitutes fair use, though. Yes it's non-commercial, but there's more to fair use than that.
 
You mean I can watch a video of a computer game without some completely retarded music blasting? Thank you WMG/RIAA/etc!!!
 
Copyright laws are absolutely insane and out of control and to all you people being internet tough guys telling everyone else that breaking today's copyright laws is actually morally wrong, you're clearly insane and should be put out of your misery.
 
Originally posted by: EGGO
Originally posted by: JeepinEd
Personally, I will no longer buy music from the Chilly Peppers because of this.

I stopped long ago after hearing how poorly mastered their music is.

Who the hell are the Chilly Peppers?
Some Alaskan RHCP cover band?
 
how are they identifying the videos with these songs? Someone could make a random video montage and use a copyrighted song - there's no way youtube watches them all individually...

Anyway, I feel it should be all good if the authors are credited either in the description or video itself. I mean, are people looking to profit off this? I think not.
 
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Copyright laws are absolutely insane and out of control and to all you people being internet tough guys telling everyone else that breaking today's copyright laws is actually morally wrong, you're clearly insane and should be put out of your misery.

This.

I've been doing research just to see how bad this has come.

I never realized, but "Happy birthday" is actually copyrighted. WTF!? So if you put a home video on youtube with your family wishing a kid happy birthday, it's going to get pulled, or you could even get sued. Now imagine getting sued for singing happy birthday. What's this world gone to?
 
That's why you will (almost) never hear "happy birthday" sung in a restaurant by the waiters or on film or tv. I've heard it a total of one time in a restaurant (sung by employees) and was shocked.
 
Originally posted by: Kadarin
Originally posted by: So
If copyrights expired in a reasonable amount of time, I'd feel a little bad for copyright holders. The fact that stuff written before my great grandfather was born can still be under copyright is just silly.

THIS


Agreed.
 
Originally posted by: duragezic
You mean I can watch a video of a computer game without some completely retarded music blasting? Thank you WMG/RIAA/etc!!!

🙁

<raises hand>

Guilty as charged.
 
Originally posted by: Anubis
i still dont know why putting music on some stupid vid on youtube does not fall under fair use

The same reason I can't use Bugs Bunny in a cartoon I publish. It would be a derivative work.

The copyright owner should, and does, have control over how their works are used.
 
Originally posted by: alpineranger
That's why you will (almost) never hear "happy birthday" sung in a restaurant by the waiters or on film or tv. I've heard it a total of one time in a restaurant (sung by employees) and was shocked.

That's pretty sad lol.

Thankfully here in Canada they're not as uptight with that. They sing it all the time in restaurants.

That brings to another interesting question, do they play Christmas music in the malls in the states? I seen some youtube videos get pulled because someone was singing winter wonderland which is apparently owned by WMG. Not even playing an actual track, but singing it.

I'm almost tempted to make another youtube account and play with the system, just to see how low these copyright people really are. I'll tap happy birthday on my desk with a pencil and see if it gets pulled off. 😛
 
Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: Anubis
i still dont know why putting music on some stupid vid on youtube does not fall under fair use

The same reason I can't use Bugs Bunny in a cartoon I publish. It would be a derivative work.

The copyright owner should, and does, have control over how their works are used.

You do realize that further into that very wikipedia page it discusses the fair use defense as it applies to derivative work, right?

The fair use defense in derivative work cases

Even if a work is found to be an unauthorized derivative work, an alleged infringer can escape liability via the defense of fair use. For example, in Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, Inc., the Supreme Court found that although a parody of the song "Oh, Pretty Woman" by 2 Live Crew was an unauthorized derivative work, fair use was still available as a complete defense. This case marked the Supreme's Court's pointing to transformativeness as a major clue to application of the fair use defense to derivative works.

The defense of fair use has become very important in computer- and Internet-related works. Two 1992 Ninth Circuit decisions are illustrative.

In Lewis Galoob Toys, Inc. v. Nintendo of America, Inc.,[9] the appellate court held that it was a fair use for owners of copies of video games, such as Super Mario Bros., to use Galoob's product the Game Genie to customize the difficulty or other characteristics of the game by granting a character more strength, speed, or endurance. Nintendo strongly opposed Galoob's product, allegedly because it interfered with the maintenance of the "Nintendo Culture," which Nintendo claimed was important to its marketing program.[10] The court held, among other things, that the fair use defense shielded Galoob's conduct. The court said that "a party who distributes a copyrighted work cannot dictate how that work is to be enjoyed. Consumers may use ... a Game Genie to enhance a Nintendo Game cartridge?s audiovisual display in such a way as to make the experience more enjoyable."

In Sega Enterprises, Ltd. v. Accolade, Inc.,[11] the court excused Accolade from copyright infringement liability on fair use grounds. Nintendo and Sega produced video game consoles for playing video games. Each stored the games in plastic cartridges that provided game data to the consoles. By way of analogy, the Sega hardware console's ?platform? differed from Nintendo's, as a Macintosh platform differs from that of a ?PC.? Hence, a video game cartridge that works on one system does not work on the other. Sega and Nintendo sought to ?license? access to their hardware platforms, and each company developed software "locks" to keep out cartridges that did not have the proper "key." Accolade sought a license from Sega for its key, but negotiations broke down over price. Accolade then decided to reverse engineer Sega's lock and key system. To do so, it had to download (copy) all of the computer code from Sega's product and disassemble it (translate it from 1s and 0s to a human-intelligible format). Accolade succeeded and began to market new video games that it independently wrote, which were capable of being operated in Sega consoles. This led to copyright infringement litigation, in which Sega alleged that the downloading was improper copying (reproduction) of Sega's code. The court held that Sega was trying to use the copyright in its computer code to maintain a monopoly over the sale of video games, to which it was not legally entitled. Accolade downloaded the computer code only to ascertain how the lock worked, so that it could make a key that would permit its games to work in Sega consoles. The court held that such a use was fair use: "We conclude that where disassembly is the only way to gain access to the ideas and functional elements embodied in a copyrighted computer program and where there is a legitimate reason for seeking such access, disassembly is a fair use of the copyrighted work, as a matter of law."[12]
 
Originally posted by: Jeeebus
Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: Anubis
i still dont know why putting music on some stupid vid on youtube does not fall under fair use

The same reason I can't use Bugs Bunny in a cartoon I publish. It would be a derivative work.

The copyright owner should, and does, have control over how their works are used.

You do realize that further into that very wikipedia page it discusses the fair use defense as it applies to derivative work, right?

I should have been more specific. The videos on youtube usually can not claim fair use as a defense because they make no comment or expansion on the work they are a derivative of.

Transformativeness

A crucial factor in current legal analysis of derivative works is transformativeness, largely as a result of the Supreme Court's 1994 decision in Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, Inc. The Court's opinion emphasized the importance of transformativeness in its fair use analysis of the parody of "Oh, Pretty Woman" involved in the Campbell case. In parody, as the Court explained, the transformativeness is the new insight that readers, listeners, or viewers gain from the parodic treatment of the original work. As the Court pointed out, the words of the parody "derisively demonstrat[e] how bland and banal the Orbison [Pretty Woman] song" is.

The modern emphasis of transformativeness in fair use analysis stems from a 1990 article by Judge Pierre N. Leval in the Harvard Law Review, Toward a Fair Use Standard,[13] which the Court quoted and cited extensively in its Campbell opinion. In his article, Judge Leval explained the social importance of transformative use of another's work and what justifies such a taking:

I believe the answer to the question of justification turns primarily on whether, and to what extent, the challenged use is transformative. The use must be productive and must employ the quoted matter in a different manner or for a different purpose from the original. ...[If] the secondary use adds value to the original--if the quoted matter is used as raw material, transformed in the creation of new information, new aesthetics, new insights and understandings--this is the very type of activity that the fair use doctrine intends to protect for the enrichment of society.

Transformative uses may include criticizing the quoted work, exposing the character of the original author, proving a fact, or summarizing an idea argued in the original in order to defend or rebut it. They also may include parody, symbolism, aesthetic declarations, and innumerable other uses.
 
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