my x-fi fatality finally died...

Discussion in 'General Hardware' started by finbarqs, Aug 3, 2012.

  1. wirednuts

    wirednuts Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2007
    Messages:
    7,121
    Likes Received:
    1
    no doubt there.
     
  2. finbarqs

    finbarqs Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2005
    Messages:
    4,026
    Likes Received:
    0
    wow i just go the edifier s550 speaker 5.1 system, and the LFE sounds like ass (compared to my klipsch pro media ultra 5.1). But the difference between these speakers was I was using my x-fi fatality before, and now I'm using my onboard realtek. The difference I can hear is pretty obvious. I've been trying to configuring it so it sounds like my ultra 5.1, but it just isn't doing it... Any advice? These edifier's are suppose to be amazing... tooted as one of the best pc speakers (if not THE best..)
     
  3. mfenn

    mfenn Elite Member <br> Currently on <BR> Moderator Sabb
    Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2010
    Messages:
    22,403
    Likes Received:
    0
    Adjust the EQ to have more bass? Or turn up the power on the sub.

    However, note that really overblown bass is not the mark of a good quality speaker setup.
     
  4. finbarqs

    finbarqs Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2005
    Messages:
    4,026
    Likes Received:
    0
    not looking for over blowing it, more like having a distinct sound from it... well at least here the LFE. There's a specific level of bass I would like, I'm not listening to rap/hip hop music, mostly like jazz stuff where I would like to listen for the distinction of the instruments.

    And also for movies :)
     
  5. mfenn

    mfenn Elite Member <br> Currently on <BR> Moderator Sabb
    Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2010
    Messages:
    22,403
    Likes Received:
    0
    This is the sort of thing that you should learn in Hi-Fi 101. If you can pick out the subwoofer, you're doing it wrong.
     
  6. finbarqs

    finbarqs Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2005
    Messages:
    4,026
    Likes Received:
    0
    I don't know what you mean? I never studied hi-fi 101
     
  7. MichaelD

    MichaelD Lifer

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2001
    Messages:
    31,530
    Likes Received:
    1
    Absolutely correct in a Home Theater or very high-end 2.1 setup, but not so true in your typical consumer PC speaker setup.

    100Hz is typically listed/accepted as the optimal crossover point b/t mains and subs. However audio snobs, real musicians (that actually play an instrument) and pro-audio folks can easily localize a sub playing 100Hz and below. Your average "real good" PC speaker setup (I owned a Klipsch 4.1 setup back in the day) has a 150Hz or HIGHER crossover point b/t the sub and mains. Sure it gets loud, but optimal for stereo imaging with accurate instrument placement it is not.

    For roughly 5+ years now onboard audio is just as good for MOST playback as any dedicated sound card. Recording's a different story. IME/IMO, the best PC speakers are not PC speakers. They are active nearfield monitors. I have run the gamut from a cheapie 2.1 setup ("good") to a really nice 4.1 setup ("better") to a low-end home 2-channel setup with dedicated amps and separate sub and 2-channel mains ("way better") to finally, powered near-field monitors with 8" midbasses and tweets. These are my babies and I wish I'd tried them sooner.

    http://www.krksys.com/krk-studio-monitor-speakers/rokit/rokit-8.html

    They are big, heavy (26 pounds EACH) and LOUD. I honestly don't miss the BS EAX "positional audio cues" I thought I had with a 4.1 setup. Arguably, the BEST PC audio setup is really good headphones driven by a headphone amp. But you lose the visceral oomph of speakers moving air. Trust me that two 8-inch midbasses that play cleanly down to 50Hz will move you when they are 3 feet from your face. :cool:

    For the money, you would be hard-pressed to do better.
     
    #32 MichaelD, Nov 12, 2012
    Last edited: Nov 12, 2012
  8. mfenn

    mfenn Elite Member <br> Currently on <BR> Moderator Sabb
    Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2010
    Messages:
    22,403
    Likes Received:
    0
    Agree 100%. The Edifier system is moving out of the range of "typical consumer PC speakers" any into actual Hi-Fi, which is why it performs differently than the OP is expecting.

    :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: Could not agree more.
     
  9. mfenn

    mfenn Elite Member <br> Currently on <BR> Moderator Sabb
    Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2010
    Messages:
    22,403
    Likes Received:
    0
    Well, there's your problem! You bought a speaker set that is functionally a mid-range Hi-Fi setup and expected it to perform like a set of computer speakers. It's all about expectations.

    The bass on the Edifiers is correct for accurate sound reproduction. If that's not what you're after (no harm in that), then you'd be happier returning them and getting a top-range Logitech Z-series. The Logitech won't be nearly as accurate as the Edifiers, but will sound like what you're expecting.
     
  10. finbarqs

    finbarqs Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2005
    Messages:
    4,026
    Likes Received:
    0
    I'm coming from Klipsch's pro media ultra 5.1.

    I feel they do sound better than the z5500's which I also have. I like the Klipsch's the best, but maybe I'm not configuring the edifier properly.
     
  11. mfenn

    mfenn Elite Member <br> Currently on <BR> Moderator Sabb
    Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2010
    Messages:
    22,403
    Likes Received:
    0
    I don't think you're necessarily doing anything wrong (assuming you've already tried the software EQ and the bass level knob on the speakers themselves). It's probably just that the Edifiers aren't going to produce the distinct bass sound that you're looking for.
     
  12. finbarqs

    finbarqs Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2005
    Messages:
    4,026
    Likes Received:
    0
    if anything, it sounds "higher" rather than the "lower" sound i'm used to on my klipsch pro media ultra's. (R.I.P.)
     
  13. mfenn

    mfenn Elite Member <br> Currently on <BR> Moderator Sabb
    Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2010
    Messages:
    22,403
    Likes Received:
    0
    I don't know what that means. Higher frequency, higher volume?
     
  14. finbarqs

    finbarqs Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2005
    Messages:
    4,026
    Likes Received:
    0
    maybe it sounds.. higher frequency? it doesn't sound as deep as my klipsch? If that makes any sense...
     
  15. mfenn

    mfenn Elite Member <br> Currently on <BR> Moderator Sabb
    Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2010
    Messages:
    22,403
    Likes Received:
    0
    It's a 10" subwoofer versus the Promedia's dual 8" so its low-end bass capability theoretically better. The enclosure design is different than the Klipsch though, so if you have your EQ set up for the Klipsch, you will probably we way off on the Edifier.

    I'm willing to bet that the Edifier sounds closer to what the recording is supposed to sound like than the Klipsch did. If you want something that sounds like a Klipsch, get a Klipsch (nothing wrong with that). That being said, trying to get one speaker system to sound like another is pure folly, especially when you don't have the original around anymore to do a proper A/B comparison.
     
  16. Imp

    Imp Lifer

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2000
    Messages:
    17,497
    Likes Received:
    79
    If you still care, just get this thing:

    http://www.amazon.com/Creative-Sound...ds=x-fi+hd+usb

    I researched it for a year, then forgot about it, and finally got it a few months back. I came from an X-fi Xtrememusic and they sound roughly the same. Reviews say that technical stats are roughly equal, but worse than the new X-fi Titanium HD or Recon cards.

    Driver-wise, it's very stripped down. The control panel is the same as X-fi except with the Entertainmet mode only. I'd recommend it because it's external, no noticeable lag, sounds as good as a regular sound card and much better than onboard, is relatively cheap.

    Onboard is unbearable after using X-fi cards for so long.
     
  17. mfenn

    mfenn Elite Member <br> Currently on <BR> Moderator Sabb
    Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2010
    Messages:
    22,403
    Likes Received:
    0
    Fixed that for you. :awe:
     
  18. finbarqs

    finbarqs Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2005
    Messages:
    4,026
    Likes Received:
    0
  19. finbarqs

    finbarqs Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2005
    Messages:
    4,026
    Likes Received:
    0
    so the funniest thing happened... I finally got my claws on a soundblaster Z. Damn what a difference it makes on my speakers! But I guess the "auto" feature makes it work damn well.. But my starcraft literrally slowed down to half the frame rate... no more 60 FPS! wtf?? really?
     
  20. videogames101

    videogames101 Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2005
    Messages:
    6,768
    Likes Received:
    1
    abx tests exist for a reason
     
  21. dave_the_nerd

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2011
    Messages:
    11,603
    Likes Received:
    93
    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/studio-monitors
     
Loading...