My "Tiger" OS X opinion...

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: nweaver
I may not always agree with n0cmonkey, but I do respect him and his opinions. Why? He has used it all, personally, not just read a review. If you are going to call him a fanboy, it better have openbsd associated with it

I have no mainframe or VMS experience... Yet.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: nweaver
I may not always agree with n0cmonkey, but I do respect him and his opinions. Why? He has used it all, personally, not just read a review. If you are going to call him a fanboy, it better have openbsd associated with it

Oh ya. Definately. N0c is a OBSD fanboy and proud of it.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: nweaver
I may not always agree with n0cmonkey, but I do respect him and his opinions. Why? He has used it all, personally, not just read a review. If you are going to call him a fanboy, it better have openbsd associated with it

I have no mainframe or VMS experience... Yet.

I have OS/390 experiance and I made it halfway thru a OS/400 class. Your not missing anything. (They suck)

 

[Aenslead]

Originally posted by: drag
ll that great. Its rather more marketing. And that's all I have to say about that.

Your labeled a troll becuase it's obvious that you have very little clue what your talking about and is spouting off nonsense that doesn't even make sense most of the time.

n0cmonkey replied to your silliness in the first post and you countered by calling him a fanboy and a 'fucktard'

Then he said he wasn't a fanboy, but uses OS X on occasion.

Then you called him a retard.

You are a troll, and a lamer and probably a moron among other things. If you don't like being known under these lables behave like a adult.

N0cmonkey behaved and came at you in a reasonable manner. It took you _ONE_ post in reply to start flinging insults.

If you only want to talk to people that agree with you wtf are you doing on a internet forum?[/quote]

Before defending your heroes, you may want to first read all of the posts. Insults like "retard" and "fucktard" (which I find to be a most childish word that only an elementary school boy would use) came from n0ckMonkey first.

And while we're at it, why don't you show us all how to behave like an adult, since you seem to be the pro on the subject? And why do I have no clue of what I am speaking of? Just because it doesn't sound like what you've heard elsewhere too?

Mr. Grown-up Adult, I beleive it is you who should behave elsehow.

 

[daniel1113]

I never heard "fucktard" when I was in elementary school. We stuck with the classic "poo-poo head" and "meany" insults.

 

[nweaver]

Nocmonkey uses OSX, and tiger (I think I read that he upgraded). You have READ a REVIEW. So if a mechanic says "Ford Sucks" then it must be true? Also, Anand hit some highlights. If Anand had started this post, he wouldn't be a troll because is SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE. You ever check the differences betwen 98 and ME? I think it's the incomplete system restore....and an updated database of drivers.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: nweaver
Nocmonkey uses OSX, and tiger (I think I read that he upgraded). You have READ a REVIEW. So if a mechanic says "Ford Sucks" then it must be true? Also, Anand hit some highlights. If Anand had started this post, he wouldn't be a troll because is SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE. You ever check the differences betwen 98 and ME? I think it's the incomplete system restore....and an updated database of drivers.

I haven't updated to Tiger yet. It's in the near future though. I have also looked at a good number of the changes because I'm interested in OS X in general.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: Aenslead

Originally posted by: drag
ll that great. Its rather more marketing. And that's all I have to say about that.

Your labeled a troll becuase it's obvious that you have very little clue what your talking about and is spouting off nonsense that doesn't even make sense most of the time.

n0cmonkey replied to your silliness in the first post and you countered by calling him a fanboy and a 'fucktard'

Then he said he wasn't a fanboy, but uses OS X on occasion.

Then you called him a retard.

You are a troll, and a lamer and probably a moron among other things. If you don't like being known under these lables behave like a adult.

N0cmonkey behaved and came at you in a reasonable manner. It took you _ONE_ post in reply to start flinging insults.

If you only want to talk to people that agree with you wtf are you doing on a internet forum?

Before defending your heroes, you may want to first read all of the posts. Insults like "retard" and "fucktard" (which I find to be a most childish word that only an elementary school boy would use) came from n0ckMonkey first.

And while we're at it, why don't you show us all how to behave like an adult, since you seem to be the pro on the subject? And why do I have no clue of what I am speaking of? Just because it doesn't sound like what you've heard elsewhere too?

Mr. Grown-up Adult, I beleive it is you who should behave elsehow.[/quote]

I don't mind acting silly or sarcastic... or being hardnosed or whatever.

But jeez. At least act sane, that's all.

 

[SLCentral]

I've been using OS X on various machines for the past two years or so, and I can say that the upgrade to Tiger from Panther was much more then any XP/2000 service pack. 200 new features and a significant increase in speed is not a service pack. It's not a entirely new OS either, but it sure as hell is worth the money.

That said, I do think that Tiger was unimpressive compared to Panther. When I first installed Panther, I noticed a much more significant speed increase, and Expose is much more useful then Dashboard. However, much of the new Tiger features are behind the scenes (such as Core Image), therefore, we won't see any benefits from that until programs are written with that in mind.

In regards to skinning Windows to make it look like OS X...how is this in any way a argument that can be held up? I'd like to see you replicate the OS X Finder, Spotlight (yes, I know of the Windows index search programs, but none actually are built into the OS), etc. It simply can't be done.

Even Windows fanboys agree that OS X is a kick ass operating system; which it is. The hardware might be lackluster, but the OS makes up for it. It is evident from Tiger and it's new features that this is NOT a service pack. Saying so would just be a sign of pure ignorance.

 

[Aenslead]

"Sane", he says.

Listen up, everyone. I have not seen someone that has replied to my original message with a solid statement proving my I stated false in my opinion. Did I write something false? Has anyone proven to me it is more than an update, and not an "entirely new, fastest and best OS ever"?

All I've seen from most of the people here are words like "flamebait", "troll" and "fucktard", but just that. No solid statements, just bafoons saying "no you're wrong" without backing their words up. You want me to prove my point, but I tell you: why don't you prove that I am mistaken? I am certain that will be a hard achievment for most of you flame-lovers.

 

[SLCentral]

Originally posted by: Aenslead
"Sane", he says.

Listen up, everyone. I have not seen someone that has replied to my original message with a solid statement proving my I stated false in my opinion. Did I write something false? Has anyone proven to me it is more than an update, and not an "entirely new, fastest and best OS ever"?

All I've seen from most of the people here are words like "flamebait", "troll" and "fucktard", but just that. No solid statements, just bafoons saying "no you're wrong" without backing their words up. You want me to prove my point, but I tell you: why don't you prove that I am mistaken? I am certain that will be a hard achievment for most of you flame-lovers.

Did you even glance at my post right above yours?

Edited for grammer.

 

[n0cmonkey]

You made an assertion without backing it up, then tell us to back up our statements when we inform the public you're full of it. How common. :roll:

There were over 200 changes on 10.4. Some of these were small, some were bigger.

Some highlights:

• Finder has been updated thoroughly.
• Core Image changes the way graphics work on OS X.
• Safari gets some major updates (also available to the rest of us, I believe), that allow it to pass the acid 2 tests. The first browser to do so, IIRC.
• Some interesting firewall (IPFW) work has gone on, and they even added stuff for the misguided (firewall stealth mode).
• Smart card support!
• Keychain enhacements.
• Disk image encryption. Finally, although I don't know how compatible it is with other systems just yet.
• Limited 64bit support.
• Spotlight might be interesting, although I'm almost kind of organized. It also seems to be implimented just about everywhere.
• Dashboard could be interesting.
• The graphing calculator is amazing.
• Increased sync capabilities.
• Better support for the visually impared.
• Apparently the disk utility has been updated, but I'm not sure how much better it could be.
• Better internationalization.
• Better energy savings.
• Audio device aggregation.
• Better bluetooth support.
• Xcode2.
• Spotlight command line tools. :Q
• NTLMv2 support for SMB.
• Finer grained locking to improve SMP. This alone is a BIG update.
• ACLs.
• AT&T's korn shell.
• Everything is recompiled with gcc 4.0. This alone, with Apple's changes should be quite interesting.

I highlighted some of the BIG ones for you.

I would have prefered OpenBSD's pdksh to AT&T's ksh, but meh.

 

[Aenslead]

Great! You just proved me: tiger is not a new OS, it is just an update;

Just like SP 2 brought security enhancements (ok, so maybe not that good) including a firewall, better wireless access, better driver support, and over 199 more (number exagerated). Good. My point is proven thanks to n0cmonkey.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Aenslead
Great! You just proved me: tiger is not a new OS, it is just an update;

Just like SP 2 brought security enhancements (ok, so maybe not that good) including a firewall, better wireless access, better driver support, and over 199 more (number exagerated). Good. My point is proven thanks to n0cmonkey.

sp2 had a short list of things that changed. I looked. I gave you a link with plenty of enhancements in 10.4.

XP sp2 did not change _every_ binary on the system, 10.4 did. I highlighted several things that probably required decent changes in the system.

Plenty of these changes alone are reason enough for an upgrade. What do you expect to see for a new release?

 

[imported_Mags]

Originally posted by: Aenslead
Great! You just proved me: tiger is not a new OS, it is just an update;
[/b].

You know, by that reasoning, Longhorn is also "just" an update to XP SP2 (and, like mentioned earlier in this thread, XP to Windows2000)

All these systems are build on the same foundation, and thus every new version will be an update. The question is of course how big that update is - if it's worth paying for.
You still haven't been proved right, Aenslead , on the contrary I would say.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: SLCentral
Even Windows fanboys agree that OS X is a kick ass operating system; which it is. The hardware might be lackluster, but the OS makes up for it. It is evident from Tiger and it's new features that this is NOT a service pack. Saying so would just be a sign of pure ignorance.

:thumbsup:

It is a very well made operating system, but I would never use it as my primary system. I think the way XP is setup in terms of folder structure, start menu, independent program menu bars, etc. is a much better design, but there's no denying the power of OS X. I'd definitely take a combination of the two if OS's could shag and produce offspring.

 

[SLCentral]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: SLCentral
Even Windows fanboys agree that OS X is a kick ass operating system; which it is. The hardware might be lackluster, but the OS makes up for it. It is evident from Tiger and it's new features that this is NOT a service pack. Saying so would just be a sign of pure ignorance.

:thumbsup:

It is a very well made operating system, but I would never use it as my primary system. I think the way XP is setup in terms of folder structure, start menu, independent program menu bars, etc. is a much better design, but there's no denying the power of OS X. I'd definitely take a combination of the two if OS's could shag and produce offspring.

While I do agree, Windows does have its positives (I do like it's folder management), like you said, OS X has quite a bit of power. It's nice to see that people out there can recognize that OS X is a competitive and competent operating system, even though it isn't for everyone.

:thumbsup:

 

[sparkyclarky]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: SLCentral
Even Windows fanboys agree that OS X is a kick ass operating system; which it is. The hardware might be lackluster, but the OS makes up for it. It is evident from Tiger and it's new features that this is NOT a service pack. Saying so would just be a sign of pure ignorance.

:thumbsup:

It is a very well made operating system, but I would never use it as my primary system. I think the way XP is setup in terms of folder structure, start menu, independent program menu bars, etc. is a much better design, but there's no denying the power of OS X. I'd definitely take a combination of the two if OS's could shag and produce offspring.

Haha, that last sentence of yours is dynamite! Almost sig-worthy actually!

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: SLCentral
While I do agree, Windows does have its positives (I do like it's folder management), like you said, OS X has quite a bit of power. It's nice to see that people out there can recognize that OS X is a competitive and competent operating system, even though it isn't for everyone.

:thumbsup:

Definitely. I'll be the first in line to get a Mac the day it uses an XP-esque GUI but the underlying power of the OS X operating system. Oh, and the brushed metal has to go, too

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: SLCentral
While I do agree, Windows does have its positives (I do like it's folder management), like you said, OS X has quite a bit of power. It's nice to see that people out there can recognize that OS X is a competitive and competent operating system, even though it isn't for everyone.

:thumbsup:

Definitely. I'll be the first in line to get a Mac the day it uses an XP-esque GUI but the underlying power of the OS X operating system. Oh, and the brushed metal has to go, too

I never liked the brushed metal. IMO, it's ugly. I prefer the look of Mac OS 10.1

The Aqua look on 10.1 is awesome.

 

[kamper]

So Apple is already compiling everything on gcc4.0? I guess it makes sense, but that's a pretty gutsy move given how new it is and I like it. Similar to if MS were to reimplement Office in .NET (not similar in that it's a different language, but similar in that it's stepping up and taking their own medecine, no pushing the experiment off on the users).

 

[Aenslead]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: SLCentral
Even Windows fanboys agree that OS X is a kick ass operating system; which it is. The hardware might be lackluster, but the OS makes up for it. It is evident from Tiger and it's new features that this is NOT a service pack. Saying so would just be a sign of pure ignorance.

:thumbsup:

It is a very well made operating system, but I would never use it as my primary system. I think the way XP is setup in terms of folder structure, start menu, independent program menu bars, etc. is a much better design, but there's no denying the power of OS X. I'd definitely take a combination of the two if OS's could shag and produce offspring.

Perhaps Longhorn will be such offspring?

 

[kamper]

Originally posted by: Aenslead

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: SLCentral
Even Windows fanboys agree that OS X is a kick ass operating system; which it is. The hardware might be lackluster, but the OS makes up for it. It is evident from Tiger and it's new features that this is NOT a service pack. Saying so would just be a sign of pure ignorance.

:thumbsup:

It is a very well made operating system, but I would never use it as my primary system. I think the way XP is setup in terms of folder structure, start menu, independent program menu bars, etc. is a much better design, but there's no denying the power of OS X. I'd definitely take a combination of the two if OS's could shag and produce offspring.

Perhaps Longhorn will be such offspring?

lol :laugh: Cause MS really sat down and said "We like what OS X has and we want to use that technology" :roll: Sure they'll have similar technologies like searching and funkier desktop graphics but those are just indicative of what technology is becoming prevalent on the desktop, hardly anything that would qualify as "shagging". Longhorn will be a microsoft product through and through.

Edited bad for grammar

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: Aenslead
Great! You just proved me: tiger is not a new OS, it is just an update;

Just like SP 2 brought security enhancements (ok, so maybe not that good) including a firewall, better wireless access, better driver support, and over 199 more (number exagerated). Good. My point is proven thanks to n0cmonkey.

You know why I didn't dispute any points you made?
BEcause you didn't really make any points, you really just said "OS X sucks, so there", albeit with alot of fluff words in there.

So tell me, how is XP such a huge upgrade from Win2K then?
No major feature differences, support for some new stuff(mainly mobile stuff), newer versions of this and that, and Luna.
Windows version 5 vs 5.1(2K and Xp respectively), and then if you get XP-64, it's v5.2.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: Aenslead
Great! You just proved me: tiger is not a new OS, it is just an update;

Just like SP 2 brought security enhancements (ok, so maybe not that good) including a firewall, better wireless access, better driver support, and over 199 more (number exagerated). Good. My point is proven thanks to n0cmonkey.

If OS 10.4 is just a update, then so was Windows XP just a update to Windows 2000 Pro.

Both of them are escentially the same exact operating system. The main difference is that Windows XP got some updates and a new GUI look with better theming support.

The only difference is that the last desktop OS that Microsoft released was 3 years ago and Mac is much more timely with it's releases.

The whole thing about OS 10.4 just being a update is retardation, and it instantly clues people into the fact that a person who says such things don't realy have any idea what they are talking about.

All operating systems are updates from older ones. Microsoft hasn't released a completely new PC OS since 1995 and that paticular OS is dead now.

NT OS, which Windows XP is realy Windows NT 5.1 if Microsoft didn't change the naming sceme, had it's last major change released in 2000 when 5.0 was released (win2k).

Windows NT 5.3 is called 'Windows 2003' and that OS is even less of a change then from Windows 5.0 to 5.1 because it uses the same freaking kernel that 5.1 does.

At least OS 10.4 uses a updated kernel from 10.3, unlike Windows. All the updates were in it's serving capabilities, which are not intentionally hobbled like they are Windows XP.

If you think that OS 10.3 and OS 10.4 are the same OS with just a customer-exploited pay-for update, then Microsoft did the exact same thing when it released Windows XP.

(at least Apple doesn't do BS like release a slightly-crippled OS 10.4 'profesional' version and charge a lot for that, then release a much more crippled version and call it OS 10.4 'home' and try to convince people that they are actually a different OS)