My theory of everything

[moonbogg]

Here is my noob TOE. Its a simple description. I will outline it first for those of you who won't tolerate the tl'dr, but i'll explain a little more below.

Proto-consciousness is the most fundamental thing in existence. It is eternal and never changes. All things are shaped by it.

Time is an illusion. Time = change and proto-consciousness never changes.

Change is also illusory since time doesn't exist.

Monism is true - there is only the most fundamental, and all things are built from it, like a sand castle being illusory and combined of individual grains. You can destroy the castle, but the grains never changed at all, only their apparent location and relationship to themselves changed.

Proto-consciousness has no boundaries or inherent limits, nor does the things that it binds up with itself to form, such as a multiverse or reality in general. The universe is infinite and eternal because it is derived from, and literally is an emergent form of the necessarily eternal, fundamental proto-substance.

Consciousness happens when proto-consciousness is structured in the right way. Its a fundamental property of itself and is self reflective.

Materialism and dualism are false. They make no sense. There can only be one fundamental thing and it has to be necessary, eternal and unchanging. It must be everything and take shape as everything, forming the foundations for existence and the contents of reality and experience.


Here's the free flow of ideas part. I think it makes sense that reality is eternal. Anything having a beginning or end makes no sense, especially since time isn't real. Time makes no sense at all. It makes existence impossible since you have a chicken and egg problem that doesn't seem to go away. Cause and effect takes place in an illusory way, in the emergent world, while the fundamental "stuff" that makes everything up never actually changes. Its just there by necessity.
All explanation has to end somewhere, by necessity. It can only get reduced so far until you arrive at the most fundamental thing.
Proto-consciousness is a placeholder term for something that I can't properly describe. You could call it a fundamental force, God, consciousness or whatever. But something fundamental exists. Its what they are looking for when they use particle accelerators. They want to get to the bottom of things. I predict that their search is not in vain. I believe a real bottom exists and I think they'll find it.

Predictions:

Something fundamental will be discovered by science. It will be necessarily eternal and unchanging, having no beginning and no end and it will be the stuff everything is made of and makes all things possible.

The universe will be shown to be infinite, a natural consequence of an infinite fundamental foundation. By universe I mean all of manifest physical reality which has derived from, or consists of the proto substance, such as a multiverse which inflates endlessly.

Life in our universe will be shown to be widespread and common, as well as in the multiverse.

Consciousness will be replicated and molded in many ways to suit our desires and needs. Biology doesn't have a monopoly on consciousness. Its the arrangement of the proto substance and organization of patterns and information processing which results in consciousness. Many emergent physical substrates can be used to shape it since its a property of itself and is self reflective.

 

[sandorski]

That something Fundamental exists makes sense. That it is a Consciousness doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

 

[moonbogg]

That something Fundamental exists makes sense. That it is a Consciousness doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

My disclosure is in the first sentence. At least you think some of it makes sense. That's good!

Also, when you think about it, it makes sense. Hear this: If something fundamental exists, that means you and I are made from it. Actually, literally, we are it. We are also talking to each other. I am thinking about you, and you are thinking about me. If we are really just one fundamental thing, then based on our conversation, that one fundamental thing has the property of self reflection. Something that has the property of self reflection is consciousness.

This also means that, for those that believe in God, the meaningful manifestation of God is not in some obscure dimension somewhere. The meaningful manifestation of God is you and me. We are where the action happens. This solves the mystery of existence while explaining the silence of God. He speaks when I open my mouth (yours too). Word?

 

[Dessicant]

Here is my noob TOE. Its a simple description. I will outline it first for those of you who won't tolerate the tl'dr, but i'll explain a little more below.

Proto-consciousness is the most fundamental thing in existence. It is eternal and never changes. All things are shaped by it.

Time is an illusion. Time = change and proto-consciousness never changes.

Change is also illusory since time doesn't exist.

Monism is true - there is only the most fundamental, and all things are built from it, like a sand castle being illusory and combined of individual grains. You can destroy the castle, but the grains never changed at all, only their apparent location and relationship to themselves changed.

You postulate proto-consciousness, but fail to define or describe it. You state that time is an illusion, which is false. Time is observed, validated, and measured. Monism is a logical absurdity, unless you arbitrarily declare that everything in existence is made of it, but then the concept is meaningless.

How about the universe is infinite, both in terms of time and space. There is nothing running it, organizing it, ruling it, or acting as God in it. It just is. Without beginning or end. Life is a simple phenomena in that continuum, and is not magical, special, or mystical. And does not require a creator or a deity or a reason or a purpose. It just exists, like the stars and planets and the radiation and the elements. Conditions are right, a star forms. Conditions are right, life forms. What are those exact conditions? That is a scientific problem, nothing more. Man will probably learn the exact answers to these questions at some point, although that is not guaranteed.

The lack of an answer is unimportant. It is a curiosity, nothing more. We know what we need to live successfully and with happiness and contentment on the planet we inhabit. The faculty we need, and have, is Reason. We need nothing more to survive and enjoy our brief stay in the Universe.

My theory of everything is simple. Everything can be known given sufficient time and the application of Reason and it's main tool: Logic. Nothing should be made up to fill the void of what we do not know. It's just not necessary or useful, primarily because it is not True until it is observed and validated.

Making it up and imagining it is fine for play time and random fun, however rules for actually living well in this universe must come from reality. And knowledge of that reality must come from Science through rational Philosophy.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

You state that time is an illusion, which is false. Time is observed, validated, and measured.

Space time is not really "observed," per se. It is abstracted. It is mentally superimposed upon real things to coordinate them in our experience. Just like you can search the entire surface of the earth and never find the lines of longitude and latitude, you will never find the coordinates of space-time to exist anywhere in the external world.

Another way to look at it is this: Space-time coordinates only have meaning when relating one event or object to another, and therefore it is not a property of any event or object. An event or object in isolation has no spatio-temporal "property."

 

[DigDog]

and WHY would you have such a theory?

 

[Dessicant]

Space time is not really "observed," per se. It is abstracted. It is mentally superimposed upon real things to coordinate them in our experience. Just like you can search the entire surface of the earth and never find the lines of longitude and latitude, you will never find the coordinates of space-time to exist anywhere in the external world.

Another way to look at it is this: Space-time coordinates only have meaning when relating one event or object to another, and therefore it is not a property of any event or object. An event or object in isolation has no spatio-temporal "property."

Space-time as a scientific concept is abstracted. However space and time as existents are experienced through direct perception, exist, and can be identified, conceptualized, and measured. All of which are done effectively and with great precision, allowing us to explore 7 miles beneath the sea and land on the moon. Or perhaps in about 40 minutes, on a comet!

 

[moonbogg]

and WHY would you have such a theory?

Because I'm not afraid to try.

Also, I happen to like my TOE and I think I did a good job. I am proud of it and I like it. I feel like I do when I make a nice drawing or painting or something.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

However space and time as existents are experienced through direct perception, exist, and can be identified, conceptualized, and measured.

No, I'm sorry but this is quite untrue, and moreover is simply a re-assertion of your earlier claims -- their truth value does not increase upon increased repeating.

Space-time is not measured. It is the measure. Objects are measured. We say, "he is 6 feet tall." We have measured him, not space-time. We describe him with spatial terms, and these are *his* properties, not properties of space-time.

Ask yourself this: if space-time is measured, how would you measure the first inch on a ruler?

All of which are done effectively and with great precision, allowing us to explore 7 miles beneath the sea and land on the moon. Or perhaps in about 40 minutes, on a comet!

Indeed, we can make very precise measurements of the objects and events in our experience. It doesn't change the fact that those measurements are just abstract coordinates, no different than longitude and latitude.

 

[witeken]

That is not a theory. Leave that to the scientists instead of armchair inventing your own ideas.

 

[moonbogg]

That is not a theory. Leave that to the scientists instead of armchair inventing your own ideas.

I think my theory is a good one. You are mean.

No, seriously, I think its pretty good. I know it sounds crazy, but I actually think its pretty good.

 

[Dessicant]

No, I'm sorry but this is quite untrue, and moreover is simply a re-assertion of your earlier claims -- their truth value does not increase upon increased repeating.

Space-time is not measured. It is the measure. Objects are measured. We say, "he is 6 feet tall." We have measured him, not space-time. We describe him with spatial terms, and these are *his* properties, not properties of space-time.

Ask yourself this: if space-time is measured, how would you measure the first inch on a ruler?




Indeed, we can make very precise measurements of the objects and events in our experience. It doesn't change the fact that those measurements are just abstract coordinates, no different than longitude and latitude.

Stop combining space and time into the academic construction known as space-time.

Deal with each separately, as they are experienced in reality by human consciousness.

As for our first inch, or first second, or first lumen, these are units of measurement invented and utilized by human beings to describe and communicate reality.

Don't lose yourself in unnecessary complication.

Mysticism is the progeny of unnecessary complication.

 

[DigDog]

I think my theory is a good one. You are mean.

No, seriously, I think its pretty good. I know it sounds crazy, but I actually think its pretty good.

no. your theory is not a theory. it's not even an hypothesys. the technical term for what you have is a "story". you do not have observations out of which you could reasonably speculate the grounds for your "theory", ergo it is not a theory.

i'm trying to be nice here, because i could be a lot meaner.

 

[moonbogg]

no. your theory is not a theory. it's not even an hypothesys. the technical term for what you have is a "story". you do not have observations out of which you could reasonably speculate the grounds for your "theory", ergo it is not a theory.

i'm trying to be nice here, because i could be a lot meaner.

Call it what you want. I think its great.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Stop combining space and time into the academic construction known as space-time.

But they aren't separate. Learn some physics.

Deal with each separately, as they are experienced in reality by human consciousness.

They are not so experienced.

As for our first inch, or first second, or first lumen, these are units of measurement invented and utilized by human beings to describe and communicate reality.

This does not answer my question.

Don't lose yourself in unnecessary complication.

I haven't. I'm speaking about things the way that they are. It is unfortunate for you that it reveals the falsity of your statements.

Mysticism is the progeny of unnecessary complication.

Congratulations on saying nothing of consequence.

BTW it amuses me that you first admonish me for speaking about space-time as a singular manifold, suggesting instead that I deal with two ideas separately instead of one, and then go on to suggest that *I'm* the one making things unnecessarily complicated. Funny, that.

 

[witeken]

I think my theory is a good one. You are mean.

No, seriously, I think its pretty good. I know it sounds crazy, but I actually think its pretty good.

The universe doesn't care about what you think.

http://youtu.be/gw7v6EzJDNM?t=1h4m

 

[moonbogg]

The universe doesn't care about what you think.

http://youtu.be/gw7v6EzJDNM?t=1h4m

You are mean and hurt my feelings.

Actually, I lied. I am untrollable. I love myself and think my theory is a good outline for a TOE. Also, I am the universe and I care about my opinion.

 

[witeken]

Sure; people thought Einstein was crazy. I am crazy. Therefore, I am Einstein.

--> http://youtu.be/gw7v6EzJDNM?t=15m30s

 

[Dessicant]

But they aren't separate. Learn some physics.

They are separate. Philosophy precedes physics. Perception precedes philosophy. Even before we know what physics is, we perceive space and the passage of time. They are axiomatic.

Space exists. We are born in it, we move through it, we measure it, we die in it. And we did so before special relativity. And we do it without special relativity.

Time passes. Existents age. Including us. We observe it, we identify it, we experience it, we discuss it.

Time
We die
When enough of it has passed us by.

Now you are either going to stop feigning stupidity, or inject doubt into the readers that the act is an act. Your choice.

 

[witeken]

Dessicant, time and space are not separate. I suggest you click on the link above you and learn some things about reality. Again, the universe doesn't care about you think. Your ignorant thoughts aren't going to make relativity any less real.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

They are separate.

No, really, they are not.

Philosophy precedes physics.

Yes, but it does not supersede it. I don't care what your philosophy is, it doesn't refute the facts of relativity.

Perception precedes philosophy. Even before we know what physics is, we perceive space and the passage of time. They are axiomatic.

Your senses are lovely little liars. What you think you perceive is in fact quite false and proven to be so.

Space exists.

What's it made of, then?

We are born in it, we move through it, we measure it, we die in it. And we did so before special relativity. And we do it without special relativity.

I'm sorry, but you really need to understand that assertions are not arguments nor evidence.

Time passes.

No, actually we pass. We pass by other events and objects and we call the intervals between those events and objects space-time.

Existents age. Including us. We observe it, we identify it, we experience it, we discuss it.

Time
We die
When enough of it has passed us by.

Now you are either going to stop feigning stupidity, or inject doubt into the readers that the act is an act. Your choice.

This is all nonsensical blabbering and foot-stomping.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Btw OP, all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. We're all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we're the imagination of ourselves.


/anyone?

 

[moonbogg]

Btw OP, all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. We're all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we're the imagination of ourselves.


/anyone?

Bill Hicks? I had to google the crap out of that one. That guy sounds crazy. My TOE, however, is brilliant :awe:

Again, I know this seems silly, but I think my TOE is not far off from being pretty solid, LOL. For some reason I think its very simple, but also probably not far from the truth. That's where I'm at anyway.
Its like when a kid is in kindergarten and the teacher tells them to draw something, and the kid tries to draw a space ship and it ends up looking more like a coat hangar, but has the general shape of a space ship...that's like what my TOE is. Its a noob TOE, but its MY noob TOE.

 

[witeken]

So... where are the equations?

 

[Dessicant]

No, really, they are not.


Yes, but it does not supersede it. I don't care what your philosophy is, it doesn't refute the facts of relativity.


Your senses are lovely little liars. What you think you perceive is in fact quite false and proven to be so.


What's it made of, then?



I'm sorry, but you really need to understand that assertions are not arguments nor evidence.


No, actually we pass. We pass by other events and objects and we call the intervals between those events and objects space-time.


This is all nonsensical blabbering and foot-stomping.

"Explain it to him! As you would a child!"

Can anyone identify the movie reference? :biggrin:

Existents that are related do not lose their identity. The fact that we observe a relationship between space and time does not mean we delete the constituent concepts.

So, when you drag your azz out of bed in the morning and shuffle across your mobile home to the 1/2 bath to empty your bladder, that stuff you went through to get there? That was space. And the seconds that ticked off during the journey? That was time.

The contractors who are proposing to install my garage space heater want the dimensions of the space that I will be heating so they can estimate the time it will take to perform the installation. Or, perhaps I should make believe I am an academic who has abstracted himself into oblivion and provide the measurements in meter-years. The only problem is, I DO want the job done.