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My take on the whole Israel/Palestine thing...

UNCjigga

Lifer
I don't have enough time to actually form a coherent essay like I normally do, so I'm just going to make a few statements:

Palestinian militant/terrorist/guerrilla groups want all the Jews out of Israel. That is their long term goal. No one can argue that. They will attack all Israeli citizens and Jewish settlers indiscriminately, wherever they may be, until their 'goal' is fulfilled.

The PLO has evolved over time to become more of a political organization and less of a terrorist/guerrilla movement. They are still militant, but they will refrain from taking action outside of the West Bank and Gaza strip. The Fateh movement and others directly connected to Arafat have not made any attacks outside the West Bank or Gaza. They concentrate their attacks on Israeli settlers in those regions and IDF forces within those areas. Their ultimate political goal: Removal of all Jewish/Israeli settlers from the West Bank/Gaza and the establishment of an autonomous Palestinian state, with control over Arab sections of Jerusalem. Their preferred method of attack has shifted from car bombs and suicide bombings to snipers, mortar shells and grenade launchers.

Militants who were once members of Fateh and the PLO have since moved on to more fanatical organizations since the 1994 Peace Accord was signed. These groups have transformed young men with slingshots and rocks into trained killing machines with TNT, C4, grenades, Kalashnikovs and M16 rifles.

While one may want to compare the Palestinian Authority to Sinn-Fein (political arm of the IRA), the sad truth is that Arafat and his organization have NO CONTROL over the terrorist factions carrying out indiscriminate attacks in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and other Israeli cities. While Sinn-Fein had control over the IRA, Arafat has NO CONTROL over Hamas, Al Aqsa Martyrs, Hezbollah or any of the smaller groups. He only has control over PLO and Fateh.

Who DOES have control over these terrorist organizations? That is the ultimate question. What I can say with conviction, however, is that these groups ARE NOT CONTROLLED FROM WITHIN ISRAEL/PALESTINE. These groups receive orders from Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt and other Islamic states. Some of these groups are actually sanctioned by these state governments, others are not.

I have no idea why these governments would want to sanction Palestinian terrorism. I do not know what their ultimate goals are. Perhaps they want to provoke a full-scale Israeli war with the PLO just so they could join the war on Palestine's side. Perhaps they don't care at all about Palestine and are hoping to just annex the land instead (though it has little use.) Maybe the leaders of these governments just hate the Jews and would like to finish what Hitler started. I really do not understand their motives, but then again I think they are all stubborn, totalitarian idiots who could never pass a primary in any democratic elections.

These state-sanctioned terrorist groups (Hezbollah, Hamas) DO NOT WANT ARAFAT to be seen as the hero in any US-brokered peace process. They know he's the softest Palestinian in the region, and they do NOT want him becoming an American ally in the Middle East (which would happen if a Palestinian state was ever created with Arafat in control.) They would rather see him dead than see him sign anything giving him control of a Palestinian state (and I think Arafat knows this.) But why is this the case? Think about it...lets say Iraq decides to do something stupid and we decide its time to get rid of Saddam Hussein. The US no longer needs a significant ally in the Middle East--they have Israel! They can establish bases in Israel, station ships in the Mediterranean Sea, and Israel can contribute their excellent pilots to an Allied coalition. Palestine wouldn't object. They already have their own state, and with that comes diplomatic recognition of Israel from other Arab countries. Israel is free to fight alongside the US in any Mid-East conflict now...

I will post some more in here later...must get back to work now..
 


<< While Sinn-Fein had control over the IRA, Arafat has NO CONTROL over Hamas, Al Aqsa Martyrs, Hezbollah or any of the smaller groups. He only has control over PLO and Fateh. >>



Wrong. Al-Asqa is a group controlled by Arafat. There's more here, but I'm only addressing this point now. I gotta work too. 😉
 


<< These state-sanctioned terrorist groups (Hezbollah, Hamas) DO NOT WANT ARAFAT to be seen as the hero in any US-brokered peace process. They know he's the softest Arab anywhere >>



I've gotta work too 😉, but I figured I'd take a sec to point out that this statement is inaccurate. Arafat is NOT the softest Arab-look up Sari Nusseibeh among others.



<< I gotta work too >>

🙂
 
Then with your position on this complicated matter, I think you might agree that Yasser Arafat is now irelevant to any peace process.

Further, I think the contunuing teerroist attacks are funded and supported by other countries in the regeon, who themselves (for only God knows why) are bent on starting an all out war with western principles of democracy,freedom,and human dignity.

I would therefor conclude that the US is now, more than ever, being pushed into a confrintation that is going to escalte into a major war in the middle east theater and elsewhere,such as Indonesia and the Phillipines. This will be a war between those of the Islam faith and all those who are not of the Islam faith. If this is going to be stopped,it will then be neccesary for the Islamic people to put an end to the terrorism. The countries that support this outrageous behavior are too chicken sh!t to start a war with the west using ligetiment means(a standing miltary response by a government, not a terrorist candy ass method).
I personally despise these vermine that sheild themselves in the cloth of Islam when all that they do marks them as criminals of the lowest sort. And I feel the same about anyone who supports this behavior in the name of anything. You can not love God and sanction the murderous activities of these scum. And if you don't love God, you are my enemy.

Just my $.02
 
You're right...Arafat is by no means the softest Arab. I meant to say softest Palestinian (in the region--I know some corn-fed Palestinian-Americans who abhorr what their people are doing and tell me that if the Palestinians do get their own state, they will never go back to visit or spend a single dime there.)
 


<< You're right...Arafat is by no means the softest Arab. I meant to say softest Palestinian (in the region--I know some corn-fed Palestinian-Americans who abhorr what their people are doing and tell me that if the Palestinians do get their own state, they will never go back to visit or spend a single dime there.) >>



LOL, it's nice being right, but (going for two in a row here-a rare sight 🙂) he is (at the least *was*, probably still is) the PA's appointed political commissioner for Jerusalem. he is palestinian
 
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