My Swedish friends think I'm a "gun nut"

[Mr. Pedantic]

The people who piss me off. (Fuck, I sound like a knee-jerk liberal straw man.) I'll expound tomorrow. Or after I've gathered my thoughts. Now for some more vodka.

So, you're going to shoot the people who piss you off. Please explain how this isn't a violation of the rights you claim to protect.

 

[MrMuppet]

You are asking the wrong questions as I tried to tell you. The only important question for you is why have you gone nuts? Why are you paranoid and fearful to the point that people laugh at you? As I told you in the other thread, nobody is coming for your gun. You are the one who sleeps in a sea of self ignorance. I am here to help you. We have a war against tomato worms to fight an I need mentally healthy partners.

No, they didn't laugh. They got upset or offended pretty much.

Nobody is coming for my gun? WTF? I don't have a gun. I'm not allowed to legally buy one. If I bought one on the black market, I wouldn't be able to practice shooting with it anyway. Fine, I could use it against the police, but the policeman has a family too and it's not that bad yet. I think the people should be armed, the people should be the militia, rather than some easily-controlled "disciplined" professional elitist army.

 

[MrMuppet]

So, you're going to shoot the people who piss you off. Please explain how this isn't a violation of the rights you claim to protect.

I'm drunk and pissed and (trying to be) funny, what do you expect? Ask me again, and I'll try to gather my thoughts and be more comprehensible.

 

[MrMuppet]

The police are only minutes away when you only have seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epZod2qyyN4

I respect enlightment. :thumbsup:

 

[Moonbeam]

WTF dude. Either you're fucking stupid or I am fucking stupid. Probably both. (Or the vodka and beer.)

Careful careful. If your going to save yourself from the dreaded tomato worm you're going to have to develop greater paranoia than that. You didn't consider that I might be a tomato worm plant trying to deflect your fears to dangerous governments and other useless concerns.

 

[MrMuppet]

He is trolling you. Just smile and wave, smile and wave.

I like that. Penguins make great societies. I wish I was reborn as a penguin.

 

[lotus503]

So, I was out with some friends. We had interesting discussions (one was a philosopher). However, towards then end we ended up talking about gun rights. They just kept repeating how "wrong" I was for thinking free people have a right to bear arms to protect themselves against tyranny (as a last resort, should that day come), choose for themselves, etc. They basically said there would never come a time when we, the (minority) of the people, would need to draw a line, say that's it, and stand up for our freedoms (and put our metaphorical "money" where our mouth is). That would just not be possible, in a modern, enlightened democracy, they said. I was insane.

Since I'm Swedish, they're too of course. It was really depressing, I was a "conspiracy nut", "insane", "gun toting" lunatic repeating the talking points of the NRA basically, in their view.

I found the whole experience rather depressing. To them it was obvious there would never be a need for the people (=minority) to stand up to, or even threaten, the ruling class (or the police, military, etc.), since they're elected by the people (=majority) for the people (=majority), or rather by the media, for the [owners of the] media imo.

They didn't just say my priorities were wrong, they flat-out said my logic was wrong. I fear that's what propaganda does to people. 🙁

My view was basically that disarmed peoples are slaves, perhaps under benevolent rulers (for now), but who knows about the future? Armed people are free, perhaps short-lived, but have the choice to die free. I'd rather die free with a gun in my hand, than die as a slave. Of course these are all "talking points" and couldn't possibly my genuine thoughts.

I don't know, I'm pretty drunk (and not only that), so I may not make a lot of sense. But I'm posting since they basically said "the gun-crazed yankee [nuts, implied] are awake now, why don't you go talk to them instead?"

Well, Americans, this is your liberal, socialist future. Enjoy it!

:'(

Oh, and they thought, if it came to that, I should just my fists...

Oh, and in my view, the people should be the militia, and not a professional standing army (that may or may not be loyal to the people rather than the ruling class) be all there is.

Your guns wouldn't protect you from tyranny anyways. If the government decides to go tyrannical your small arms won't do shit.

Drones piloted by some 19 year old half a world away will make short work of you.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

I'm drunk and pissed and (trying to be) funny, what do you expect? Ask me again, and I'll try to gather my thoughts and be more comprehensible.

If you want to be asked again, just read it again.

He is trolling you. Just smile and wave, smile and wave.

I love that show!

 

[MrMuppet]

Careful careful. If your going to save yourself from the dreaded tomato worm you're going to have to develop greater paranoia than that. You didn't consider that I might be a tomato worm plant trying to deflect your fears to dangerous governments and other useless concerns.

So if I call you clinically insane, you'll call me clinically insane?

 

[MrMuppet]

If you want to be asked again, just read it again.

The same question, huh? Such stuff is contextual. Would require re-reading the entire thread. Let me get a drink first, brb.

 

[MrMuppet]

Your guns wouldn't protect you from tyranny anyways. If the government decides to go tyrannical your small arms won't do shit.

Drones piloted by some 19 year old half a world away will make short work of you.

Then they would have no slaves left to rule.

They can commit genocide, sure, that's why professional standing armies are double-edged swords. However, then the elite would have none left to rule. If we unite, as a people, we'll cripple their morale. Seriously, your own military, your neighbors, would only do so much before they'll refuse orders. Yeah!

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

The same question, huh? Fuck, such shit is contextual. Re-reading the entire thread. Let me get a drink first, brb.

Hope it's coffee. Some places on the internet can be dangerous. First it's just a nice buzz, next minute naked pictures of you posing with your 90-year-old cougar neighbour floating all over the interwebs...

 

[MrMuppet]

They feel that any view other than theirs is evil and wrong and anyone holding such beliefs must be mentally damaged. In other words, they are threatened by your ability to think for yourself.

Don't let it bother you. You should never be bothered by the bleating of sheep. If anything, their cries should help you sleep. 🙂

You're straight on bud.

Not sure if trolling (I don't think you are, since you're cybrsage), but you're speaking the truth.

Fuck, I should've been an american or something. Not really. Swedes should've been americans. Not lefty knee-jerk lefties.

They need to open their minds. The philospher even thought you shouldn't think certain thoughts or use certain mental "tools"/methodologies as they lead to the "wrong" (=uncomfortable) results.

 

[a777pilot]

More fun with guns....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CriVUV5lh_M

 

[Moonbeam]

No, they didn't laugh. They got upset or offended pretty much.

Nobody is coming for my gun? WTF? I don't have a gun. I'm not allowed to legally buy one. If I bought one on the black market, I wouldn't be able to practice shooting with it anyway. Fine, I could use it against the police, but the policeman has a family too and it's not that bad yet. I think the people should be armed, the people should be militia, but some professional elitist army.

The reason I don't get mad at you and others do is because I know what it means to be crazy. Crazy people have an enraging capacity to believe in the absurd against all reason. It makes normal people nuts that such stupidity could exist, that a person could be insane without any reason and hold to it through thick and thin. My first three psychiatrists threw me out when I ferreted them out as tomato worm sympathizers when I refused to change the subject from tomato worms to my Mother.

 

[MrMuppet]

So, you're going to shoot the people who piss you off. Please explain how this isn't a violation of the rights you claim to protect.

What rights are you assuming I claim to protect?

I'm talking about freedom here. To preserve your freedom means shooting the people who try to take your freedom away from you.

Liberty > Life

 

[MrMuppet]

The reason I don't get mad at you and others do is because I know what it means to be crazy. Crazy people have an enraging capacity to believe in the absurd against all reason. It makes normal people nuts that such stupidity could exist, that a person could be insane without any reason and hold to it through thick and thin. My first three psychiatrists threw me out when I ferreted them out as tomato worm sympathizers when I refused to change the subject from tomato worms to my Mother.

So, I'm crazy, in your opinion?

Fine, I don't give a shit about your opinion. I just want a gun to fend myself against you imposing it on me.

 

[MrMuppet]

More fun with guns....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CriVUV5lh_M

Guns have many uses. But, really, a free man is an armed man. It doesn't matter if it's a criminal or a criminal government (in your opinion), trying to take your freedom away. They wanna take my freedom away? Fine, be my guest, by I'm god damn gonna make them pay for it to the best of my ability.

That's why they don't want people like me having guns. It increases my ability.

edit: Fuck, seriously, what do they fear? If I had a gun, who the fuck do they think I'd shoot? Unless they came for me first, like wanting to put me in jail for exercising my non-existent right to freedom of speech. Enough is enough. We're gonna have to draw the line sooner or later, the sooner we draw it, the more freedoms we'll have remaining

Of course, if you hate freedom, you're gonna hate us and guns too.

 

[a777pilot]

Guns have many uses. But, really, a free man is an armed man. It doesn't matter if it's a criminal or a criminal government (in your opinion), trying to take your freedom away. They wanna take my freedom away? Fine, be my guest, by I'm god damn gonna make them pay for it to the best of my ability.

That's why they don't want people like me having guns. It increases my ability.

edit: Fuck, seriously, what do they fear? If I had a gun, who the fuck do they think I'd shoot? Unless they came for me first, like wanting to put me in jail for exercising my non-existent right to freedom of speech. Enough is enough. We're gonna have to draw the line sooner or later, the sooner we draw it, the more freedoms we'll have remaining

Of course, if you hate freedom, you're gonna hate us and guns too.

I'm all for you and me having all the guns we want.

Guess what? I went another whole day and didn't shoot anyone. Amazing, isn't it? And me being the new American terrorist because I am white, middle class, vote, Christian, have actually read the US Constitution and of course the kicker.....I'm a retired United States Marine.

 

[MrMuppet]

I think the idea is that (1) in an 'enlightened democracy' like all you people keep pretending you have, you shouldn't need arms to stand up for your rights, because protection of constituents' rights should be an integral part of the democracy; and (2) what are you going to do with your guns? So you're going to shoot stuff. What stuff? Just property, or people? If property, you can destroy property without using guns. If people, which people?

What makes you think it's enlightened? The vast public just thinks what they're told to. They're cretins and I'm special (yeah, whatever, you think I'm a cretin too, as long as we don't piss each other off enough, we'll both be safe even if we both have guns).

"You shouldn't need"

I don't give an F about "should". I'm pragmatic. I may need it, in the future. To make a stand or a point, if things get really FUBAR. As long as you're able to convince me my life is tolerable, chances are you have nothing to fear even if you're a shill. However, shills will be aware of this, so they'll make sure there's an extra safety margin if people are "dangerous" (=armed).

Oh, I'm gonna shoot whatever I need to shoot, to preserve the freedom of myself and others to the best of my ability. Self-sacrifice is heroic and might help others. I'm all for helping others. Creating a better future.

Why do people shoot others up for no reasons anyway? That's what's insane here. People need to get some perspective and self-distance. Fuck, I like typing. It gives the illusion of being creative and smart.

 

[jhu]

That's ok. Your Dutch friend probably thinks you don't have enough guns.

 

[UberNeuman]

Guns have many uses. But, really, a free man is an armed man. It doesn't matter if it's a criminal or a criminal government (in your opinion), trying to take your freedom away. They wanna take my freedom away? Fine, be my guest, by I'm god damn gonna make them pay for it to the best of my ability.

That's why they don't want people like me having guns. It increases my ability.

edit: Fuck, seriously, what do they fear? If I had a gun, who the fuck do they think I'd shoot? Unless they came for me first, like wanting to put me in jail for exercising my non-existent right to freedom of speech. Enough is enough. We're gonna have to draw the line sooner or later, the sooner we draw it, the more freedoms we'll have remaining

Of course, if you hate freedom, you're gonna hate us and guns too.

So. Go buy a gun. Enjoy.

 

[cybrsage]

I'm all for you and me having all the guns we want.

Guess what? I went another whole day and didn't shoot anyone. Amazing, isn't it? And me being the new American terrorist because I am white, middle class, vote, Christian, have actually read the US Constitution and of course the kicker.....I'm a retired United States Marine.

The last one proves you are not right in the head. It is an entry requirement for Marines you know...

Go NAVY!!!

 

[a777pilot]

The last one proves you are not right in the head. It is an entry requirement for Marines you know...

Go NAVY!!!

I like the Navy. I tried to join the Navy. The Navy would not take me. I didn't meet their basic requirements.....my parents were married.

 

[MrMuppet]

I'm all for you and me having all the guns we want.

Guess what? I went another whole day and didn't shoot anyone. Amazing, isn't it? And me being the new American terrorist because I am white, middle class, vote, Christian, have actually read the US Constitution and of course the kicker.....I'm a retired United States Marine.

Why are you Christian?

So, I may share a lot of some Christian ideals, but I'm not a Christian. However, I'm open to any teachings that make sense.

Guess what, I went another whole day without assaulting or stabbing anyone. Surely, that must be another coincidence.

USMC. Semper fi, I guess. Yeah, I watch american TV and movies too. Probably learn something there [in the corps], but it's probably boring. I loved the music in that anti-war *Redacted. Handle's Sarabande. It's awesome.

Here's a remix:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gve9rk8tiQk&hd=1

Jump to 4:17 if you're impatient like me. But the build-up tends to add to the song.

Oh, and I hate propaganda in movies. But, like I said, I'm weak so I watch it anyway. edit: Actually, that means I'm strong enough to watch it, regardless.

So, why do people hate you a777pilot? Are you a troll? Because you seem reasonable.