My radeon hd 6670 is bottlenecked. Anything i can do without buying a new cpu?

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Hopefully i'm understanding everything going on. Best case for Dual channel is up to 10%. Games is probably one of the area's 10% could be somewhat expected. But from what your saying, 10% won't do much to help your problem. You also have plenty of ram in itself. Its NOT your cpu thats a bottleneck. (Unless something is wrong with it or the mobo). Your 1600x resolution is quite a bit to ask of a 6670 video card with any higher eye candy settings. (It only has 480 shaders) I would bench at your video cards stock clockspeed and then bench your video card at the highest possible overclocking settings that you can get stable. Since its 128bit ddr5 just worry about ocing the core as high as possible. You can use AMD's Catalyst Control Center (may only allow up to a certain clock) or the MSI Afterburner program. Depending on how high you can overclock the video card, you should see nice increases in your frame rates. That is probably the better thing to check right now.
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the resolution thing really doesnt make that much sense, because even at a lower resolution there is no fps change, its the exact same... and can i even overclock it? ive got a locked HP motherboard and also i dont know how to overclock safely. Ive never overclocked before.
 
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Jdm13oiZz said:
the resolution thing really doesnt make that much sense, because even at a lower resolution there is no fps change, its the exact same... and can i even overclock it? ive got a locked HP motherboard and also i dont know how to overclock safely. Ive never overclocked before.
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No, you can overclock the video card. Download MSI Afterburner and increase the core in about 25mhz increments up to about a 100mhz overclock (nearly any 6xxx card can do that). Then bench at that speed and see what happens to the frames.
 
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formulav8 said:
I would bench at your video cards stock clockspeed and then bench your video card at the highest possible overclocking settings that you can get stable.
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>overclocking as the first troubleshooting step

Uhhh... no. What is that going to tell him? If he overclocks his video card 10% and he goes from a stuttering 40fps to a stuttering 44fps, what does that say? If it doesn't go up, what does that say? (He could still be CPU limited or throttling or have a conflict or in double-buffered vsync.)

He didn't even know to check his temps. Let's not get him doing things that raise temps and can even break his computer.
 
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>overclocking as the first troubleshooting step

Uhhh... no. What is that going to tell him? If he overclocks his video card 10% and he goes from a stuttering 40fps to a stuttering 44fps, what does that say? If it doesn't go up, what does that say? (He could still be CPU limited or throttling or have a conflict or in double-buffered vsync.)

He didn't even know to check his temps. Let's not get him doing things that raise temps and can even break his computer.
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He has been given other info that he hopefully checked out. I agree that something in itself doesn't seem right. He also seems to be asking to much from the card @1600 resolution (which is why an oc would tell if the cpu is keeping up or not in itself). Its only a 480 shader card. And he just might have the eye candy to high for it. There is no doubt that the cpu would be more than enough for that card.
 
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formulav8 said:
Since its 128bit ddr5 just worry about ocing the core as high as possible.
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A lot of 6670's come with slower DDR3. As someone said before GTA4 is a notoriously bad port, and skyrim is not all that easy on hardware, saints row 3rd recommends 4 core processors. If he is running a ddr3 6670 with that 2 core amd proc @ 1600x900 I wouldnt expect he would be able to pull good framerates regardless of drivers and heat issues.
 
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I know nothing about the game. But 6670 cards 'should' have ddr5 ram. But yeah, oem could be about anything. If its ddr3, then the card is definitely a bottleneck.
 
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I know nothing about the game. But 6670 cards 'should' have ddr5 ram. But yeah, oem could be about anything. If its ddr3, then the card is definitely a bottleneck.
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At the moment newegg has 21 6670's available, only 9 of those are fitted with ddr5. I dont know why amd allows that crap, pretty shady if you ask me.
 
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Rambusted said:
A lot of 6670's come with slower DDR3. As someone said before GTA4 is a notoriously bad port, and skyrim is not all that easy on hardware, saints row 3rd recommends 4 core processors. If he is running a ddr3 6670 with that 2 core amd proc @ 1600x900 I wouldnt expect he would be able to pull good framerates regardless of drivers and heat issues.
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Yeah, but he's getting the same speed at all resolutions. That ain't right.

We can have him run some 3dMark benchmark later if it comes to that. I'm running a 9600GT on an X2 5200+ which is at least in the same ballpark as what he has, so we can compare his scores to mine to see what's up.
 
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Jdm13oiZz said:
Okay, i did it and the max temp i got was 49c at 9 fps average.
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No problems with that temp. (Seems a little slow though -- I run at 13; but we'll get to that later)

Download Prime95 and run the in-place large FFT test for 5 minutes or so. Watch your CPU temps in speedfan and tell us what they go up to.
 
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No problems with that temp. (Seems a little slow though -- I run at 13; but we'll get to that later)

Download Prime95 and run the in-place large FFT test for 5 minutes or so. Watch your CPU temps in speedfan and tell us what they go up to.
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core is cpu temp right? well that went up to like 48
 
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Jdm13oiZz said:
not really crazy, but i could hear it speed up.
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Install CPU-Z. Tell me what it says your Core Speed is.
If it isn't 3500MHz run Prime95's large FFT again. Watch CPU-Z as Prime95 is running and see if it goes to 3500MHz. (Should go instantly to 3500, so if it doesn't, it ain't going to, so you can stop Prime95)
 
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Wait, your video card driver software *doesn't work correctly*?

I think that's where to focus. Don't move on to any other trouble-shooting until you at least have a properly functioning video card drivers.

First download the latest video card drivers from AMD for your version of Windows and for your video card. Save the download somewhere convenient, like the desktop.
Then, go into the control panel and uninstall the AMD drivers, there is an option to express uninstall all AMD driver stuff. Reboot the computer. After you reboot, install the latest video card drivers that you saved somewhere convenient.

Then, see if your video card software will work correctly as it should. That's when you can move on to try the other troubleshooting stuff. But without getting a proper driver function, that could throw off all the other attempts to troubleshoot.
 
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KingFatty said:
Wait, your video card driver software *doesn't work correctly*?

I think that's where to focus. Don't move on to any other trouble-shooting until you at least have a properly functioning video card drivers.

First download the latest video card drivers from AMD for your version of Windows and for your video card. Save the download somewhere convenient, like the desktop.
Then, go into the control panel and uninstall the AMD drivers, there is an option to express uninstall all AMD driver stuff. Reboot the computer. After you reboot, install the latest video card drivers that you saved somewhere convenient.

Then, see if your video card software will work correctly as it should. That's when you can move on to try the other troubleshooting stuff. But without getting a proper driver function, that could throw off all the other attempts to troubleshoot.
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ive already tried that. i went to device manager and uninstalled the driver. and i also uninstalled amd catalyst.
 
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yeah, it said the same thing. no settings. for some reason it was working before when i first installed my graphics card.
 
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AMD VISION Engine Control Center cannot be started. There are currently no settings that can configured using AMD VISION Engine Control Center.
 
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