My plans to avoid serving as a juror just took a turn :P
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On a questionnaire that all potential jurors fill out, Ellis wrote that he didn?t like homosexuals and blacks. He then echoed those sentiments in an interview with Nickerson.
?You say on your form that you?re not a fan of homosexuals,? Nickerson said.
?That I?m a racist,? Ellis interrupted.
?I?m frequently found to be a liar, too. I can?t really help it,? Ellis added.
?I?m sorry?? Nickerson said.
?I said I?m frequently found to be a liar,? Ellis replied.
?So, are you lying to me now?? Nickerson asked.
?Well, I don?t know. I might be,? was the response.
Ellis then admitted he really didn?t want to serve on a jury.
?I have the distinct impression that you?re intentionally trying to avoid jury service,? Nickerson said.
?That?s true,? Ellis answered.
Nickerson ordered Ellis taken into custody. He was released later Monday morning.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what a fucking moron...he claims to be a liar but then admits the truth at the end. Brilliant guy. :beer:
?You say on your form that you?re not a fan of homosexuals,? Nickerson said.
?That I?m a racist,? Ellis interrupted.
?I?m frequently found to be a liar, too. I can?t really help it,? Ellis added.
?I?m sorry?? Nickerson said.
?I said I?m frequently found to be a liar,? Ellis replied.
?So, are you lying to me now?? Nickerson asked.
?Well, I don?t know. I might be,? was the response.
Ellis then admitted he really didn?t want to serve on a jury.
?I have the distinct impression that you?re intentionally trying to avoid jury service,? Nickerson said.
?That?s true,? Ellis answered.
Nickerson ordered Ellis taken into custody. He was released later Monday morning.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what a fucking moron...he claims to be a liar but then admits the truth at the end. Brilliant guy. :beer:
Interesting that he could face perjury charges for saying that he is a habitual liar. That defense could get circular.
So
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True. My elite training from watching Boston Legal tells me that if you lie to the court, but hten correct your lie before you're caught, you can't be charged.
Of course, taking legal advice from a comedy is about as smart as lying to a judge in the first place...
Originally posted by: Josh
On a questionnaire that all potential jurors fill out, Ellis wrote that he didn?t like homosexuals and blacks. He then echoed those sentiments in an interview with Nickerson.
?You say on your form that you?re not a fan of homosexuals,? Nickerson said.
?That I?m a racist,? Ellis interrupted.
?I?m frequently found to be a liar, too. I can?t really help it,? Ellis added.
?I?m sorry?? Nickerson said.
?I said I?m frequently found to be a liar,? Ellis replied.
?So, are you lying to me now?? Nickerson asked.
?Well, I don?t know. I might be,? was the response.
Ellis then admitted he really didn?t want to serve on a jury.
?I have the distinct impression that you?re intentionally trying to avoid jury service,? Nickerson said.
?That?s true,? Ellis answered.
Nickerson ordered Ellis taken into custody. He was released later Monday morning.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what a fucking moron...he claims to be a liar but then admits the truth at the end. Brilliant guy. :beer:
What if he was lying!!?!?
What an idiot. Personally, I feel that people should suck it up and serve on juries if they're asked to. However, if you're going to get out of it, don't be an asshole. Just quietly say you believe in jury nullification and be on your way.
He's also a dumbass.
:laugh:Originally posted by: So
My elite training from watching Boston Legal tells me that if you lie to the court, but hten correct your lie before you're caught, you can't be charged.
Of course, taking legal advice from a comedy is about as smart as lying to a judge in the first place...
What's the big deal? I don't understand why people are so "bothered" to sit on a jury. So it's an inconvenience to deviate from your boring life but it could actually be interesting.
wheresmybacon
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I have no problem with the actual service. What completely sucks is 98% of the time you're waiting in a line. To get into another line. That eventually leads into a room where you again wait in line to possibly be questioned.
The selection process is absolutely mind-numbing. The one time I was called I think I waited for 3 days in lines and rooms and chairs and was neither selected or even called on.
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Whoozyerdaddy
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Specop 007
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I'm sidin with the guy on this one.
Maybe if the justice system wasnt a ***** joke I would take it seriously but Christ come on. The one thing it has going for it is I have to buy tickets to get into the circus, I can be on a jury for free.
Maybe if the justice system wasnt a ***** joke I would take it seriously but Christ come on. The one thing it has going for it is I have to buy tickets to get into the circus, I can be on a jury for free.
sygyzy
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I'm really surprised at this story. Isn't it commonly known or at least joked about that this is the way out of jury duty (though I know most people say it doesn't work). Anyway, how could the judge, or anyone be surprised at these answers. I haven't been in court during a jury selection but doesn't this happen daily?
Some people can't afford it. Believe it or not, some people don't get paid if they aren't at work, and the paltry $7 a day just barely covers parking in most court buildings. So, where is this person supposed to get money from to keep the lights on and the kids in daycare?
If that's the case then they should make it clear that it would be a hardship on their family if they served. They would probably have more luck getting out of it that way.
If I were the judge I would have made the guy sit there for the entire time and then filed charges.
Just do what I did. The prosecuting attorney didn't like that my definition of reasonable doubt was different from his. Juror #50, you're released from duty, thank you for your service.
GagHalfrunt
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If you get called on a criminal trial, try this: Say you don't believe in the concept of innocence until proven guilty and that you believe all defendants are guilty until proven innocent. Use this as the rationale:
1) The police did the investigation and they think the defendant is guilty.
2) The DA's office reviewed the evidence and they think the defendant is guilty.
3) The case has already almost certainly survived motions to dismiss, so even the judge himself admits that there is sufficient evidence to reasonably believe the defendant is guilty.
4) The national conviction rate on all trials is north of 70% which means that the vast majority of defendants are in fact guilty.
5) How could an open-minded, informed and educated juror ignore all that and believe blindly in the concept of innocence until proven guilty?
The defense will kick you out and the judge/DA can't really argue with your belief because they both believe the guy is guilty and you're basing your opinion on their beliefs.
If you get called on a civil trial tell them you're happy to serve because you're sick to death of the civil courts being used as lottery system for people who want to get rich for being stupid and that you want to put a stop to that. The plaintiffs will kick you out.
1) The police did the investigation and they think the defendant is guilty.
2) The DA's office reviewed the evidence and they think the defendant is guilty.
3) The case has already almost certainly survived motions to dismiss, so even the judge himself admits that there is sufficient evidence to reasonably believe the defendant is guilty.
4) The national conviction rate on all trials is north of 70% which means that the vast majority of defendants are in fact guilty.
5) How could an open-minded, informed and educated juror ignore all that and believe blindly in the concept of innocence until proven guilty?
The defense will kick you out and the judge/DA can't really argue with your belief because they both believe the guy is guilty and you're basing your opinion on their beliefs.
If you get called on a civil trial tell them you're happy to serve because you're sick to death of the civil courts being used as lottery system for people who want to get rich for being stupid and that you want to put a stop to that. The plaintiffs will kick you out.
During my time in jury duty last year, one old man said to the judge, "I'm an ex-gang member and an ex-gang leader. Women are always right, and everyone should carry a gun." After some quarrel with the judge, the judge let him go after telling him that he's a liar and that he should be charged. Suffice to say, it was the ONLY sort of entertainment I had during my 5 days of jury selection...not the actual jury duty!
GagHalfrunt
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5 days of jury selection? You have to show up for an entire week? That sucks, around here you get one day and if you don't get put on a jury that day you're free.
I get paid for 1 day of jury duty, but hopefully they won't select me to be a juror.
I rather be out and catch some sun.
BOB ... suck it
p.s. be safe
I rather be out and catch some sun.
BOB ... suck it
p.s. be safe
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