You are correct. It is not so much a problem of race, as it is a problem of peer influence and not having a proper education / environment.
I agree that most Mexicans I have met, in fact, all of the ones I met, are soft spoken, hard working and humble people.
In fact, I grew up with one from the Primera Flats, a crip, his whole family was crips. I'm talking blue bandanas hung around the house, the whole nine.
I guess your whole family would have to be a crip if you lived in Primera Flats. I never got too into it, but as far as I know that neighborhood isn't too crip friendly.
Anyways, you know what? They were some of the greatest, easiest people to get along with. I'm not saying they didn't do terrible things back in Cali, but, they knew I had nothing to do with any of that stuff, and loved me for it.
But yea, your OP seemed like a pretty fair and objective assessment.
I agree that most Mexicans I have met, in fact, all of the ones I met, are soft spoken, hard working and humble people.
In fact, I grew up with one from the Primera Flats, a crip, his whole family was crips. I'm talking blue bandanas hung around the house, the whole nine.
I guess your whole family would have to be a crip if you lived in Primera Flats. I never got too into it, but as far as I know that neighborhood isn't too crip friendly.
Anyways, you know what? They were some of the greatest, easiest people to get along with. I'm not saying they didn't do terrible things back in Cali, but, they knew I had nothing to do with any of that stuff, and loved me for it.
But yea, your OP seemed like a pretty fair and objective assessment.
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Hey - well as long as we are in insult-match mode: at least I get sex
Well tell him that I'm happy for you.
I've been with my gf for years, so that's not a problem for me.
Oh wow, SOMEBODY MARK THIS DOWN ON THE CALANDER AS THE DAY I ALMOST COMPLETELY AGREE WITH 91TTZ!
Surely one of the signs of the apocolypse!
Mermaidman
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Some thoughts:
1) If the OP had been assaulted by a group of whites, would he have become fearful of white men?
2) What qualities now attributed to race is actually a byproduct of socioeconomic status?
3) Did I just eat a whole bag of M&Ms?
1) If the OP had been assaulted by a group of whites, would he have become fearful of white men?
2) What qualities now attributed to race is actually a byproduct of socioeconomic status?
3) Did I just eat a whole bag of M&Ms?
Two mother fuc*kers being two blacks and one mother fuc*ken white guy jumped me and my friend because we were Asian. I was basically an honor student and my friend was new to town. Stupid gangsters don't take names, they just take color and preference. Retaliated, no, because I'm sure the same guys are getting beat up by the nasty and wicked cops in Minneapolis (not that I would care a whole lot anyway).
And here I thought the sky turning red and the temperature dropping 70 degrees in the last 10 minutes was just a local weather thing...
This isn't true. Stand up for themselves? In a drive by, that's standing up for themselves. A good way of standing up, maybe not, but that is standing up. And don't think you understand them, because your so totally ignorant.
shilala
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On one hand, I can buy the "genetic difference" argument.
I believe it's simply a matter of selection rather than propensity.
Think about it...
White/European culture has been selected for IQ for hundreds of years. Intelligent people are more apt to earn well, giving them an obvious advantage in the economies of the last 4 or 500 years. It only stands to reason that the resultant individuals would have a higher base IQ.
Fast forward to the last 100 years...
Blacks have entered the same white culture in mass numbers. They have succeeded immediately in becoming equal to or better than a large margin of the society into which they've been mainstreamed (retarded ghetto trash aside).
In a blink of an eye on an evolutionary scale, an oppressed culture of supposed inferiority has shown in no uncertain terms that they are not in any way "less than".
Does that not present a tremendous argument for superior genetic propensity?
Does that not also show that cultural repression is the only thing that's gained the race it's dubious distinction?
Does that not also show that the continued cultural repression they experience is the only thing holding them back?
That's the way my scientific mind sees the black race.
Why are they still oppressed?
Simple.
It's the image portrayed by the ghetto trash that the OP mentioned.
I'd rather shoot a hoodrat in the face than talk to them.
If a black man (or hispanic man, or white man, or asian man) walks up to me in a basketball jersey, Nike Shox, and a g-unit necklace, he's more likely to be shown violence than opportunity.
And so far as I'm concerned, it's well deserved.
Yes, we're ignorant and bigots for not being PC and calling it how we see it. :roll:
It's people like you who I feel sorry for. The ones who are so tightly wrapped up in not offending anyone with what you say that you start having that kind of a mindset rather than seeing how things really are.
Well, I had an entire reply typed out, but I must've missed a word or something cuz I got a censored error.
Anyways, he's not ignorant or racist, he's basing it on stastics. There's a certain point where stastistics is what it becomes. And again, statistics are not everything and I realize this.
But honestly, if you saw a group of people, any race, don't care if they're fvcking blue or purple or whatever, and they were walking towards you in a manner that you felt threatened, would you or would you not be afraid? Don't even try to say you wouldn't be, unless you're The Thing or Hulk or something. It's not because of their race he's afraid of them, it's because of their attitude and attire.
It's not racism, it's human nature. Racism is belittling someone over their skin color, which is not at all what the OP is doing. But again, in this PC-conscious world we live in I'm surprised there aren't more replies with your message. I don't care if you think the OP and those that think like him are racist (myself included) because the truth is we're not, and it's ignorant of YOU to say we are when our feelings are clearly stated and aren't anywhere near racism.
1) Not all whites in general, as there are far too many of them, but whites that were of the nature of those that assaulted him, which is getting onto number 2.
2) Pretty much everything, but it's each race's respective fault. I think the biggest flaw is with young (teen-early 20s) blacks who want to imitate their role models when their role models are "thugs" that aren't in gangs and that live in nicer houses than 85% of the population. I also think it's young whites' flaw to think that because of the way the young blacks talk/act that it's "too hard" to interact with them and therefore they just stick to their own groups, which consequently end up being divided by race for the most part. Hispanics typically mix in with either group as do Asians. Honestly, I don't understand why white people and black people can't just get along. It's the fvcking color of your skin, who gives a sh1t?
3) I don't know, although I did just drink a 64 oz Gatorade Frost.
Your logic really doesn't follow. The prison population is composed of about 50% African Americans, and yet the majority of crimes are commited by white? So are you saying that whites get away with it more easily?
Way to not read. What I said was "even if 999/1000 "
EVEN IF.
Jesus.
And those that say that genetics simply can't be it..I ask, why not? There are more biological differences than just skin color between races..bone density, eye shape, nose size..wang size..etc. Why can't the extend to the brain? Is that somehow a place that evolution does not touch? Tell that to the monkeys.
My family has some native american blood in it. Guess what also runs in the family? That's right, alcoholism and addiction in general. Am I racist for saying that? No. My grandma is alcoholic, I had a cousin that died from heroin abuse, and cigarettes are the holy grail to my family. Because of this I stay away from alcohol, tobacco, even pain medication.
It's BIOLOGICAL. My family certainly does not live on an indian reservation, haven't for atleast 4 generations. We are also very well off, so it's not because of poverty.
I'd say the biggest problem with trying to discuss racism is that the word itself has become so villified that to be anywhere remotely associated with it is to be alligned with the nazis, satan, and the hounds of hell. But reality is discrimination prejudice and racism are normal natural elements of human nature. We are all guilty of it on some scale. The OP is as well, and my post was simply meant to point out in which direction he is racist... It has nothing to do with statistics... it has to do with his inability to see black people who were "normal" people.... he associated "black man" only with those who had given him trouble and who appeared to be ignorant violent people. He failed to even notice the dozens hundreds or even thousands of other black people who would contradict his new found stereotype.
At the end of his post it becomes apparant that he has begun to understand that he was wrong to feel as he did, that all black men were threatening... and his eyes have opened to the many other black people out there. This is a good thing.... he is still racist... lets call him a recovering racist... but stop assuming that by my calling him a racist I am calling him some kind of taboo bad name. I'm simply pointing out where he has given into human nature, and should fight to rise above mankind's natural tendencies. Which it appears he has already begun.
-Max
My dear friend 911TZ,
let me begin by saying I know where you're coming from. ATOT certainly is know for knee jerk reactions in one direction in another... and this thread is no exception. However I return to my previous argument many threads ago, that to simply categorize and classify people by such a huuuuge arbitrary characteristic such as skin color is just plain old fashioned dumb. Thats not to say that you couldn't say that XXX people who are from XX plains in XX country display the following characteristics... and then make genetic observations... but to make a blanket grab "black people" is just silly... That only gives you one physical attribute to play with.... and is too vague to draw any meaningful conclusion about a person without further information.
Thats simply the way it is...
-Max
A friend and I got mugged by two black guys with a gun yesterday these are the people that make black people look bad. I feel sorry for the educated/hardworking ones that get treated badly because they are black its not there fault its people like this in are society breathing are oxygen there purpose in life is worthless.
sorry if I come off rude after what happen It really put things into perspective.
read this: http://www.crf-usa.org/brown50th/color_of_justice.htm
from this link "African Americans account for about 40 percent of the arrests for violent crimes"
sorry if I come off rude after what happen It really put things into perspective.
read this: http://www.crf-usa.org/brown50th/color_of_justice.htm
from this link "African Americans account for about 40 percent of the arrests for violent crimes"
I'm an 2nd gen asian immigrant... where I grew up in white suburbia only East Asian male in my high school class, plenty of racism. Still is. I've notice that the people I get along with best are definitely people with the same background as me. Whether they grew up in this country or not, they all seem to understand being ostracized, insulted, etc.
Do I still harbor some hatred for X people? Well, ask any minority person growing up in "hostile" circumstances... of course they do. Many people just use PC crap to cover up the fact that they don't like "us", whoever that "us" is/was. They also their current behavior to excuse their past wrongs. This that OK? Do you think there's even an apology? Fsck no! People were raised like that just as notfred stated. That doesn't change the fact acknowledging wrongs doesn't make up for the damage already done.
As long as the color of my skin is yellow, someone out there that I meet will hate me and because of their hatred, I'll probably hate them back. It's a total gut reaction. I'm sure that the large majority know what it feels like even if it has nothing to do with racial hate. But consider how evil it is when there is no way to retaliate and there is no justice to be had, only more hate.
I have met and been friends with lots of people of different cultures. I've had many Latino friends, a couple from one of the worst drug areas in the nation (Paterson is considered the drug capital of the East Coast by some people) and they all ALL agree that the hatred was taught to them as kids.
I went to school in the Midwest and I met more than a few students in my dorm that had never met an asian person before me. I had an inner city black student frankly tell me that they saw Asians as white, so they hated them just as much as white people. The white population never has to deal with this... if your skin is white, you can blend in the majority and mock other ethnicies behind the stronghold of majority popular, media dominance, etc. The black population enjoys similar benefits to a certain degree.
Why do you think ethnic groups tend to stay together, especially asian and hispanic subgroups? Because they feel safe together... they don't have to deal with that bullcr@p of ignorance. The US is a melting pot? Don't make me laugh! It's a salad bar. We don't try to mix unless someone tosses us together. If you say that needs to change and everyone get all niceynice together, that's not going to happen.
I think white and black America still have a lot to answer for... things will become pretty messed up as the Hispanic and Asian population become the two largest populations in the US in the future. I'm hoping to see some major changes in my lifetime... it's already too late for me and an entire generation of people, we can only hope that things will change enough that our children don't have to go through the same thing. /RANT
Do I still harbor some hatred for X people? Well, ask any minority person growing up in "hostile" circumstances... of course they do. Many people just use PC crap to cover up the fact that they don't like "us", whoever that "us" is/was. They also their current behavior to excuse their past wrongs. This that OK? Do you think there's even an apology? Fsck no! People were raised like that just as notfred stated. That doesn't change the fact acknowledging wrongs doesn't make up for the damage already done.
As long as the color of my skin is yellow, someone out there that I meet will hate me and because of their hatred, I'll probably hate them back. It's a total gut reaction. I'm sure that the large majority know what it feels like even if it has nothing to do with racial hate. But consider how evil it is when there is no way to retaliate and there is no justice to be had, only more hate.
I have met and been friends with lots of people of different cultures. I've had many Latino friends, a couple from one of the worst drug areas in the nation (Paterson is considered the drug capital of the East Coast by some people) and they all ALL agree that the hatred was taught to them as kids.
I went to school in the Midwest and I met more than a few students in my dorm that had never met an asian person before me. I had an inner city black student frankly tell me that they saw Asians as white, so they hated them just as much as white people. The white population never has to deal with this... if your skin is white, you can blend in the majority and mock other ethnicies behind the stronghold of majority popular, media dominance, etc. The black population enjoys similar benefits to a certain degree.
Why do you think ethnic groups tend to stay together, especially asian and hispanic subgroups? Because they feel safe together... they don't have to deal with that bullcr@p of ignorance. The US is a melting pot? Don't make me laugh! It's a salad bar. We don't try to mix unless someone tosses us together. If you say that needs to change and everyone get all niceynice together, that's not going to happen.
I think white and black America still have a lot to answer for... things will become pretty messed up as the Hispanic and Asian population become the two largest populations in the US in the future. I'm hoping to see some major changes in my lifetime... it's already too late for me and an entire generation of people, we can only hope that things will change enough that our children don't have to go through the same thing. /RANT
I taught third grade for a year in Brooklyn (black and Puerto Rican neighborhood). One day, I had forgotten my watch and asked one of the kids to go in the hall and tell me what time it was. When he came back with the wrong time, I asked another kid. Then it clicked: the kids were used to reading digital clocks. So, I started a lesson plan beginning with the basics: 60 secs in a min, 60 mins in an hr, etc. and ending with reading a clock "face."
The next day while I was teaching this, a white teacher came into my classroom, waited until I had finished my sentence, and then stated: "You are wasting your time" - to a class of 8 year-olds! I turned to the class and asked them if I was wasting my time. They said "no" but in a dejected, quiet voice. I told them, "I can't hear you." This time, they said it a little louder. I repeated that I couldn't hear them, and to say it to make sure that I and Mr. X could hear it. This time, they shouted it. I turned to him and smiled. He slunk out of the classroom.
Three things:
1. the kids learned the lesson;
2. when there was a substitute teacher in another 3rd grade class, one of those kids told one of mine that he didn't have to do school work that day and mine did. My kid replied, "Yeah, but at least we're learning something."
3. 91TTZ, as the saying goes: you can take you and your ideas and shove them where the sun don't shine.
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