My personal experiences with race and racism.

notfred

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After reading this, maybe you'll think I'm a complete asshole. You wouldn't be the first to feel that way. Regardless of what you think, know that I wrote this as truthfully as possible with little regard for sounding ?PC?. This is really what I've seen and how I've felt. Anyway, on to my story...

Note: It's also rather long. No cliffs notes will be provided.

When I was a kid I lived in a neighborhood that really had only two racial groups: white people, and Mexicans. I lived in Santa Cruz County, California. When people think of Santa Cruz, they usually associate it with beaches and redwood trees, but the southern part of the county is mostly agricultural and has a lot of Hispanic people. As a kid, I didn't really have all that favorable a view towards Mexicans. For some reason, Mexican kids had a propensity for joining gangs and trying to assert their dominance over rival gangs and/or random non-gang-members. This happened plenty often on and around elementary schools through high schools. I was not the only kid who had a bad image of Mexicans due to the gang affiliations of their kids. As I got older, I had more experiences with Mexican adults, and for the most part found them to be soft spoken, honest, hardworking people. It also became obvious that many of their kids had similar values (and they had plenty of kids, which I guess is probably caused by the fact that most of them are catholic), however there was definitely a problem with Mexican kids and gangs. There were no white gangs where I came from, and even if you had wanted to join a gang as a white kid, you wouldn't have been able to.
The thing about these gang members was that they were pretty easy to identify. Once I was old enough to start noticing the difference between Hispanic adults and their children, it also became pretty obvious which of their kids were in gangs. They wore red or blue, had pants that were falling off, tattoos with ?XIII? or ?XIV? on their shoulders. They pretty much looked like what you'd picture when you think of a gang member from the ghetto. Why were there only Hispanic gangs and not white gangs? I don't know. In fact, it didn't really matter all that much to me. Once you get to be 12 or 14 years old, the youngest gang members stop being bullies around the playground. They don't care about white people, or anyone who's not in a gang. The focus of gang members by the time they reach high school is to fight between themselves. I wasn't in a gang, and therefore was never really bothered by gang members except for some bullying as a kid. My opinion now, as it has been since then, is that most Mexican people are soft spoken, honest, hardworking people.

After I graduated from high school, I moved. I came to Sacramento. Sacramento has black people, and Asian people. People that I hadn't really spent any time around before, and had no real opinion about. I quickly made friends with several Asian guys. I've never had a problem with Asian people (except when they whine about their overprotective parents on internet forums), and most Asian cultures seem to be similar enough to white American culture that it's easy to get along with these people. Even though I had a favorable opinion of Mexicans in general, I didn't really have many Mexican friends. There was often a language barrier, and often Hispanic kids would tend to keep to themselves rather than interacting with white kids. This hasn't been the case with me and Asian people ? we generally get along fine.
The same wasn't so true with black people. When I started seeing black people around, they were doing a pretty good job of fitting into stereotypes I'd seen on TV. A lot of them dressed similarly to those Mexican gangsters I remembered, except in $150 basketball shoes. I actually understood what people meant when they had been talking about ?ebonics?. The majority of black youth couldn't speak halfway proper English, even in classrooms. The majority of the black people I was seeing were really making me think that the ?uneducated? and ?ghetto? stereotypes were true.

Then one evening, I was outside my apartment, working on my car. It was late - after midnight, and I was trying to fix something so I could drive the car in the morning. Four young black men approached me by my car. Three of them stood by the back of my car. One of them walked up to me and asked me a question. Then, without warning, he punched me in the mouth. All four of them began to run after me. I ran away screaming, and I was chased until my attackers ran off when I started waking up the neighbors. I went to the hospital and got four stitches in my lip. This REALLY didn't help my perception of blacks. They were already not looking all that great to me, and then I get assaulted by a group of them. I was scared to go outside at night for a long time after that. I was constantly looking over my shoulder, and yes, if I saw a black man walking towards me I would be more concerned than if a white guy were to do the same thing.
About a year after the assault incident, my car turned up missing one morning. To make a long story short, the police were able to identify the guy that stole it (although they never caught him). Hew was a black guy. This wasn't helping my perception. Every interaction I was having with black people was negative. For a while I really didn't want to have anything to do with black people. Honestly, they scared me. I don't want to worry about my life or my property every night, and all these things that were happening to me were perpetrated by black men.

But then something happened, my fiancée took an art class from a black professor. She loved the class, and would often stay late to work in the lab until I came to get her. Through her, I was able to interact with her teacher, who I've come to know as one of the best teachers, and most interesting people I've ever met. He started to change my perceptions. Then I met another guy ? a friend of a friend. A black guy who coached a debate team and could talk about philosophy for hours. These two men made me realize it's not the race that's bad, but something else.
In all these negative dealings I'd had with people, whether they were minor, like people yelling at their spouses outside my window at 3:00AM, or serious, like when I was assaulted, there was one constant: these people, sounded, looked, and acted uneducated, and generally fit the description of ?ghetto?. I'm not going to start to get into what causes people to speak in broken English, even though it's their native language, or what causes them to blast music from their cars at all hours of the night with lyrics about ?killing cops and fvcking hos?, or why they'll walk around with their pants hanging around their ankles, but these are the people I'd been having problems with. Not just black people, but back with the Mexican gang members ? they acted similarly.
I'm still wary walking outside at night and seeing a group of these trashy looking people approaching me, but not because they're Mexican or black, but because they're dressed like thugs, and they talk like thugs, and they probably are thugs. A professional-looking guy in a business suit wouldn't bother me in the least, regardless of whether he was black, white, or any other race.

I'm not the best writer in the world, I don't know if I made any real concrete point there at the end, but maybe people can see where I'm coming from at least. Thanks for reading the whole thing.
 

brxndxn

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We really oughta have new names for the stereotypes that differ from race.. Like, instead of calling 'the culture of rap, unwanted babies, gangs, drugs, laziness, non-education' black culture (which is offensive), it should be called ghetto or something like that. There are plenty of black people that would never fit that description.. and there are tons of people of other race that would easily qualify as ghetto.

Yet, stupid dumbass fvcks on both sides insist on equating race with different stereotypes. Race needs to be looked at merely as one part of a stereotype. Ya, there's the redneck stereotype.. but not all rednecks chew tobacco or have old cars in their front yards. Hell, not all rednecks are white.. So, let's make up some names for the common stereotypes.

 

Whitecloak

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The problem is that, though there is a 1 in a 100 guy who is educated and is decent, your perception is affected by the remaining 99.

When I was in NJ/NY, I was always wary of blacks - not because I am racist but because, statistically, most muggers happen to be blacks.

btw, I am Indian.
 

LordMaul

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Yeah, I see your point. One thing I always remember is that there is a reason that stereotypes exist, and a large amount of people fit their correlating stereotype.
 

Landroval

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With one exception, all of the men who have physically assaulted me or threatened to harm me have been white.
 

aplefka

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That's pretty surprising (the black people assaulting you in Sactown). While there are a lot of "thugs" around here most of them are pussies. And if you got them one on one I guarantee you that you could take them. Notice how it took a group of 4 of them to confront you?

It's funny, earlier tonight I was thinking how stupid it is that everyone tries to be so damn politically correct everywhere. I don't give a shit about being politically correct because most of the time my point can't be put across if I am. I'm not here to please everyone and I don't care if what I say offends someone. Free speech is such a joke. So many people are so scared (and rightly so) to say what they want and if you ever really voiced how you felt in a public place you'd get fired/suspended/whatever.

In short, I agree with what you have to say. Furthermore, I believe that these "thugs" (yeah, they're definitely thugs and live hardcore lives in Sacramento) only imitate what they've been raised on. Take away BET, MTV, and all these stoner movies (which are funny, I won't lie, but it's sad people can't get back to reality) from younger viewers and I bet we'll see an improvement. Oh yeah, and people are pussies.
 

GoingUp

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I like your line about the business man. I feel pretty much the same way. Its the people dressed as thugs that I dont like / dont trust.
 

Conky

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Most gangbangers are pvssies and hence the need to hang in group and attack as groups. It's never wise to let your guard down around these drug abusing sissies.

I have nothing to add about race other than I try to judge individuals as such. I have met and liked/disliked individuals from all races.

 

Medea

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The OP made some very good points. If I see two men approaching me (and who are not together), and one is white dressed as a thug and the other is black in a business suit - gee, which one am I going to be wary of?
 

Auryg

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I also believe most stereotypes are rooted in truth. Where else would they come from? I think the important thing to remember though is even if 999/1000 black people were gang members that kill people every day, there's still that one that's a really nice guy.

That isn't what's interesting to me though, what's interesting to me is the crimes that they different races commit. Turn on the evening news and you'll probably hear about a psycho white guy, a white child molester, or maybe a white bank robber. On the other side of the coin is a black guy that murders someone, a black guy that robs convenience stores, or some other misc. things such as drug ordeals.

Of course, it's not always lined up like this, but most of the time it's true. I think I remember hearing Chris Rock once say that "Black people get mad and commit crimes, but white people are just fvcking crazy."

And I think he was somewhat right, hehe.
 

hardwareuser

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I studied in USC (downtown LA). We always got crime reports whenever one happened. I can't remember a single report that involved a white suspect; the suspects were always black or hispanic. So yeah, in general, I'm kinda cautious when they're around... except when they're wearing a suit. I think those professional black guys are extra cool for not following the trend.

In conclusion, there are probably a lot of people with the same opinion as you.
 

Solodays

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Blacks can't stand up for themselves maybe because what the White people had done to them back 50-100 years ago. Back then Blacks are scare of Whites and now it's the other way around. ahh Blacks dont have any f-ing discipline, especially the black womens ive encounter.
 
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blacks takes their freedom for granted, what happened? they used to fight so hard for what they wanted (freedom,rights,education). now most of them are like..DuH??!?!!. especially the black people who get rich, they buy jewelry instead of helping other blacks trying to make it into society.
 

Shlong

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So in laymen's terms.
A guy looking like NFS4 or Richard Parsons walking down the street = No Problem.
A guy looking like 50 cents = oh noes.
 

yepmetoo

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OK....all I really got from this is your girl is probably fvcking a black art professor...................go him.......
 

yepmetoo

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Originally posted by: wafflesandsyrup
blacks takes their freedom for granted, what happened? they used to fight so hard for what they wanted (freedom,rights,education). now most of them are like..DuH??!?!!. especially the black people who get rich, they buy jewelry instead of helping other blacks trying to make it into society.

There are exceptions to every rule. In this case the exceptions fought for the rule. What you see now is the rule with of course a few exceptions...............
 

LS20

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let's see... i went to grade school in san jose... the asian population there would astound many of you. my best friend was mexican, thus there were many in my social network. in college, i was fortunate enough to live (in a coop) with and befriend people from more countries than i can remember (in future europe visits.. its free accomodations for life!)... danes, brits, czechs, germans, russians, kazakhs, french, maltese, spaniards, scots, turks, argentinians, indonesians, bolivians, aussies, etc...

in the end, the most glaringly intuitive idea makes itself obvious: that we're all the same. as cliched as it sounds, it really opened my eyes. ya, no shi.t. but reading these threads gives me the idea that many people are too sheltered from and ignorant of other cultures to accept a concept like that.

in truth sometimes ill make a few stereotypical remarks..mostly in jest and because of stubborn human nature.. but in all honesty i can never agree with or see the prejudiced and bigoted statements many make here..
 

Pepsei

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Since I'm Asian, I had to deal with racism often in highschool. now that I think about it, all the negative interactions were with white red neck bullies. This was back in the 80's, don't remember seeing any gangs at all, I lived in a middle class urban area. There were very few Asian people to start with.

And I generally get along well with most average kids in highschool. no poon in highschool thou, had to learn to speak english first (2 years for me to learn the basics).
 

neutralizer

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To be honest, I haven't really faced much racism at all in my life. I suppose it's because I initially lived in a community in NYC with plenty of Chinese and when I came to California I ended settling in a fairly affluent area where the school is like 50% asian, but definitely can see how crime persists the stereotype of certain races. I really frown upon it when my parents do that.
 

necine

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Originally posted by: hardwareuser
I studied in USC (downtown LA). We always got crime reports whenever one happened. I can't remember a single report that involved a white suspect; the suspects were always black or hispanic. So yeah, in general, I'm kinda cautious when they're around... except when they're wearing a suit. I think those professional black guys are extra cool for not following the trend.

In conclusion, there are probably a lot of people with the same opinion as you.


I've actually studied this phenomenon a bit. I was baffled by the fact that blacks make up about 25% of the population, yet about 50% of prisons. The truth is that most crimes are commited by whites (why not? they make up more of the population). Over media outlets, when describing a crime/criminal will disregard race when it's a white criminal... However, when it is a black suspect it is almost always mentioned. If you watch the news they are 99% likely to show the image of a suspect if they are a minority.