My own input on why we are experiencing climate change/global warming

[umbrella39]

We're all fucked, badgers will inherit the Earth.

/world

Badgers? We don't need no stinkin badgers.

 

[Fern]

A lot of scientists are blaming the change on man. However, isn't it possible that this change could be natural? One little discussed topic is the Earth's magnetic field. It is getting weaker. That means that it is about to "flip" from South-North polarity to North-South polarity. Records show that we are long overdue for a flip. Well, when the Earth's magnetic field flips, it does so fast, almost instataneously. However, this is relative to the 200k year period this happens. In other words, the flip may occur over 200-300 years. When the field is flipping, it gets weaker. When it gets weaker, there is less protection from the Sun's cosmic rays, particularily at the poles. Once the flip occurs, we are at full protection again. Today, scientists believe that the earth's magnetic field is getting weak.

Are there any models that make the earth's magnetic field a significant variable?

I find it (magnetic field flip) an interesting subject. Some relate it to 2012 stuff.

If you find any modeling on it, pls post a link.

Otherwise, P&N is likely the worst possible place for a decent dialogue about the subject.

Fern

 

[monovillage]

Here's a nice story how the WWF (World Wildlife Fund) that managed to get some grey papers (non-peer reviewed) studies into the IPCC AR4 study. In one paper they claimed that climate change and less rainfall would seriously damage the Amazon rainforest. While the non scientific study didn't support that claim, we now see why they made it. With some World Bank grants, along with some foundation support they bought up about $80 million dollars of rainforest. This all happened before Climategate, the failure at Copenhagen and the crash of the carbon markets. If they get approval at the next climate summit in Mexico (they expected it to be approved in Copenhagen) and if the U.S. passes cap and trade this year, the carbon credits they can sell will be worth $60 BILLION. Follow the money, Follow the money. Here's the whole story.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...opes-to-find-60-billion-growing-on-trees.html

 

[Ozoned]

I find it (magnetic field flip) an interesting subject. Some relate it to 2012 stuff.

If you find any modeling on it, pls post a link.

Otherwise, P&N is likely the worst possible place for a decent dialogue about the subject.

Fern

It is the absolutely perfect place to have a dialouge about the subject if it is to remain a political issue.

 

[SparkyJJO]

If the models these guys use can't even accurately predict the weather in the next 10 days, why the heck does anybody believe them about the weather in 10 years?

 

[monovillage]

Watch a UK ad and see what you think about it. The story and rest of the article in the USA Today Greenhouse section.

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...-uks-bedtime-storyon-climate-change-rebuked/1

 

[Lemon law]

If climate change was an actual Theory, climate scientists would be able to make accurate predictions about future climate and have those predictions proved. So far none of their predictions have been accurate and every one of their GCMs (global climate models) have been wildly inaccurate. All 6 of the GCMs in IPCC AR4 have failed. Climate change as it relates to AGW is still a mere hypothesis. As climate scientist Kevin Trenberth a lead author of IPCC AR4 stated in one of the climategate e-mails ""The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't." "

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monovillage somewhat understates the accuracy of the alarms. As it is, climate models are overall fairly accurate, the problem is that such models predict much higher than actually realized warming for the mid-latitudes, and much less global warming than actually measured at both polls.

So Kevin Trenbeck is overall wrong, our climate models are accurate in predicting overall warming, but its clear we don't not understand how and why the overall warming is distributed by our existing climate. Probably because we do not understand how deep Ocean currents work.

And even more alarming, is the current fact that poles warm far faster and greater than predicted, meaning methane hydrates, a far greater greenhouse gas than CO2, is now bubbling out of arctic permafrosts and Ocean deposits at record rates. These Methane hydrates happen to be very prevalent at the poles and are rare in the mid-latitudes.

 

[Moonbeam]

Exactly, and that also applies to this planet as well, the models that model other planets climates the best also model ours the best but those are also not the ones being used.



Um, the earths magnetic field originates in the core of the planet not its ultra thin skin.

It ain't not neither. Man done it by digging up all the little magnets in the ore.

 

[monovillage]

More crackerjack junk "science" articles about global warming/climate change. It causes flowers to lose their scent, more violence (by psychologist Craig Anderson, known for his video game violence studies) and an increase in venereal disease (STDs). My guess is that it's easier to get funding for studies if you can link global warming to your area of alarm.

http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Malaysia/Story/A1Story20100322-206015.html

http://www.newswise.com/articles/io...on-how-global-climate-change-affects-violence

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/ips/fb647a54ae0ee39182571cd7f4ccec0f.htm

 

[nonlnear]

More crackerjack junk "science" articles about global warming/climate change. It causes flowers to lose their scent, more violence (by psychologist Craig Anderson, known for his video game violence studies) and an increase in venereal disease (STDs). My guess is that it's easier to get funding for studies if you can link global warming to your area of alarm.

There are large pools of grant money in the NSF et. al. which are explicitly reserved for studying the impacts of climate change on XXXXXX. It's really unfortunate because most of these studies are a shameless waste of money but the granting process has successfully politicized large swathes of academia. It's too bad because climate is such an important issue.