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My newly built Q6600 Idles way too high temp!

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johnleeRIP

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My system is Q6600 @ 2.4Ghz, NOT overclocked or anything like that.
I am running Windows XP Pro SP2 32bit with 4GB of DDR2 800mhz ram
I have a huge ThermaLake Full tower with plenty of ventilation and
a 850 watt PSU with only one 8800 GT card, one 500GB SATA harddrive
and one DVDRW combo. So it is not a overclock, power, or vent issue.

I am using the Intel stock HSF and at IDLE my temp is close to 50C and
at load it reaches highs of 65C

I KNOW my idle is higher than normal, but is it way too high? I just built this PC, if I continue like this will my CPU FRY and DIE after a few months or will it significantly shorten the lifespan and processing power of my Q6600?


See screenshot:
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/568/idlerb0.jpg
 
It is quite high.. Gillbot is correct, and you should make sure the push pins are working correctly (assuming you have no backplate). That said, 65 celcius at load is perfectly okay for the computer and will not degrade it, so at least you don't have to worry about that.
 
Originally posted by: Gillbot
check your cooler mount and TIM application.
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I'm using the stock OEM HSF from Intel.

I had a lot of trouble getting all four fastener/pins to lock in 100%. THey say do the diagonal adjacent ones but I could never punch all four in.

I noticed two of the things sticking out on the backside of the mobo not as prominent as the other half but they won't go in all the way no matter how much force I put...

So any ideas? How can I get a HSF that does use such a retarded pain in the ass superunitinive interface,???
 
Originally posted by: johnleeRIP
Originally posted by: Gillbot
check your cooler mount and TIM application.
Click to expand...

I'm using the stock OEM HSF from Intel.

I had a lot of trouble getting all four fastener/pins to lock in 100%. THey say do the diagonal adjacent ones but I could never punch all four in.

I noticed two of the things sticking out on the backside of the mobo not as prominent as the other half but they won't go in all the way no matter how much force I put...

So any ideas? How can I get a HSF that does use such a retarded pain in the ass superunitinive interface,???
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Push pins are the devils work. Push REALLY HARD, honestly, but make sure the motherboard is supported so it wont snap. You can buy a backplate for a better cooler so it secures much more easily, it'll run at about $10. It will probably be worth it in the end, but I'm an idiot when it comes to spending money so I haven't done so myself yet.
 
Anything with a backplate and screws is better than push pins. Or you can get the thermalright bolt through kit and replace the push pins.
See here: http://store.yahoo.com/sidewin...puters/lgbowiscsp.html

My trick to the push pins is to try and seat the base of the pin against the mobo and into the hole using a screwdriver pressing on the metal foot, THEN push the pin down to lock. I will warn though, this method can be very dangerous if you slip, you WILL ruin the mobo.

EDIT: Also be sure to mount the heatsink with the board OUT of the case.
 
Originally posted by: nerp
Tuniq tower comes with one and is very easy to install.
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Very true and easy to lap too. 🙂


Op, everyone has made very valid points. Take their advice promptly or you will regret that you didn't.

 
Originally posted by: Gillbot
Anything with a backplate and screws is better than push pins. Or you can get the thermalright bolt through kit and replace the push pins.
See here: http://store.yahoo.com/sidewin...puters/lgbowiscsp.html

My trick to the push pins is to try and seat the base of the pin against the mobo and into the hole using a screwdriver pressing on the metal foot, THEN push the pin down to lock. I will warn though, this method can be very dangerous if you slip, you WILL ruin the mobo.

EDIT: Also be sure to mount the heatsink with the board OUT of the case.
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Thanks. I've heard that advice many times but in practice I've always had problems with it.
The Intel VIDEO on the intel website showing how to mount the HSF demonstrates this guy with white groves mounting it WITH the MOBO/board IN the case...

The pins are hard enough to push in 100% correctly as it is, how am I supposed to mount the HSF securely onto the mobo with the mobo out of the case and within that 1/4 inch or so of empty space separation provided by the spacers that mobo is seating on?

If I put the board on the flat surface there is no way the pins will go in at all! If I put it on a soft surface or on the carpet all that will accomplish is start to bend/warp the plexiglass (or whatever plastic it is) of the mobo and not put that energy into snapping the pings securely in place .

Either way means, if I am to do it outside the case, then what kind of ideal surface should I use so the pins have room to go in and within warping /bending the board?

Thanks

 
Originally posted by: SolMiester
Gee bud, a bit of common sense will probably do!, I'm sure you will work it out....🙂
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Nice! But I have to agree. I am extremely sure it isn't that difficult to push in 4 pins? Something must be wrong if you can't get the lil pins in a lil hole? Take it slow and double check all what you need to do and remember, patience is a virtue 🙂
 
Originally posted by: johnleeRIP
Originally posted by: Gillbot
check your cooler mount and TIM application.
Click to expand...

I'm using the stock OEM HSF from Intel.

I had a lot of trouble getting all four fastener/pins to lock in 100%. THey say do the diagonal adjacent ones but I could never punch all four in.

I noticed two of the things sticking out on the backside of the mobo not as prominent as the other half but they won't go in all the way no matter how much force I put...
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At that point you have to twist the pins in order for them to go through. No amount of force is gonna push them through unless you TWIST (I cant remember if you twist in the arrow´s direction or the other way)
 
Originally posted by: Gillbot
I've never had to "twist" mine to get them locked.
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Twisting is for unlocking them. If folks are finding they need to twist the push-pins for installation then it is likely that the pushpins somehow got pushed into the locked position during shipping or from handling by the user.
 
You may not *think* it is overclocked / overvolted, but unfortunately many idiot motherboard suppliers have
BIOS code that overvolts and sometimes overclocks your CPU and memory and motherboard *by default* even
when things are just set on "auto" and not on "overclock" settings. Sometimes the only truly correct way to run
at stock settings is to put some things on MANUAL control in the BIOS and hard code in the correct CPU / RAM Volts
and MHz.

Sometimes buggy old versions of a BIOS don't properly configure a CPU chip, so, again, using an updated BIOS
or manually controlled BIOS settings can help.

Try to reset the BIOS settings to factory defaults then go in and inspect the voltages and frequencies in the
PC Health / hardware monitoring sections of the BIOS to see if everything looks correct.

Other than that, I agree that you need to revisit your mounting technique for the retail Intel HS to ensure all the pins
do lock in place equally well, and ensure that the HS is installed flat / correctly with the thermal grease making good
contact.

Otherwise replace the HS with a better one. For around $36 IIRC you can get the excellent Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme
these days which IIRC includes a Socket 775 backplate and which uses a bolt-through design (you must install it with the
motherboard outside of the case). There are some issues with its mounting mechanism being a bit loose and its heat
spreader plate being a little non-flat, but even so, if you're just trying to run at stock speeds I am confident that it
and a decent D12SL low speed 120mm fan for it would cool your CPU much better than the Intel retail cooler.

I'm sure there are many others that cool well enough and which are easier to install. Check the frostytech reviews on their
web site and look for recent dated Socket 775 cooler reviews. Go to the end of the article and look at the graphs where
they compare the noise and temperature performance of many heatsinks to the one being reviewed in the current article.
Find the top performing 20 or so, then go look up the reviews of those specific models on the same site, and look for
the "ease of installation" and installation related comments and find ones that are of high quality and which install easily.
Pick any one of those and you'll be all set.

Grab a tube of Ceramique or MX-1 or MX-1 thermal grease while you're at it if you like, though really whatever grease
comes with the new heatsink you buy should be totally adequate for running at stock speeds.

Personally I've always used (carefully!!!) a large flat-bladed screwdriver to press on the metal legs of the Intel HS
units to help bend the legs down near the motherboard while using your fingers to push the pin into the hole.
It is critical that the pins be rotated to the correct orientation BEFORE you try to insert them into the holes, and after
they click into place you do not rotate them further.

Since you only want to run at stock speed, you may also look into *undervolting* the CPU somewhat; many Q6600
CPUs can run totally stable at stock speeds with less than the default core voltages which will help your system run
cooler. I'd try values in the range of 1.15 to 1.3V up to but not exceeding whatever your default core voltage should be.
 
Grab a tube of Ceramique or MX-1 or MX-1 thermal grease while you're at it if you like, though really whatever grease
comes with the new heatsink you buy should be totally adequate for running at stock speeds.
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you were giving great advice up to here...
MX-1 is outdate, there is now MX-2 which is better. ceramique is the glue, not the paste, so it is only used in permanent applications like ramsinks. And there is an even better thermal paste now called arctic diamond 7 caret or something. made with diamonds (best thermal conductivity)

i think most likely the push pins are not all inserted all the way, try rotating them and maybe reading a guide about it, or remove the motherboard and look at its back to see if they are all properlly connected, when installing intels default HSF i like to do it outside the case, so that i may check the back to ensure all the pins are in.
 
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