My New Gaming Rig

Cyborg

Member
Jan 31, 2001
105
0
76
This is my first post in a LOOOONG time. Decided to build a new system and figured I'd follow that with a post here.

Here's what I am considering:

CPU - i5 3570k
CPU Fan - Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus
GPU - EVGA GeForce GTX 670 FTW
SSD - Samsung 128 GB (MZ-7PC128D/AM)
HDD - Two (2) Western Digital 500 GB RE4 in RAID 1
PSU - Corsair HX Pro 750W
MOBO - Asus P8Z77-V Pro
Memory - Corsair 8 GB (2x4) 1600
Optical - Lite-On LightScribe DVD-RW
Case - Corsair Graphite Series 600T Mid-Tower

For monitor, staying with my Samsung 206BW I've had for over 4-5 years. Was looking for another 206BW I can dual with, but no good stock on ebay. May sell it eventually, and upgrade to a new gaming 24" or 27" monitor.

Bought Logitech Combo MK520 wireless keyboard/mouse. Not great for gaming perhaps, but cheap and elegant.

Will be overclocking the CPU a bit (as high as it will go before crapping out, as I've heard the ivy bridge has heat ejection issues in the die due to the sub-par thermal interface as well as the new 3D transistor structure).

GPU's already super clocked by EVGA, so won't be doing anything to that.

All in all, the cost for this rig is coming out to about $1700.

Thoughts?
 

krnmastersgt

Platinum Member
Jan 10, 2008
2,873
0
0
Nice looking system!

Few changes I would make though:
1. RAM: I'd suggest getting this Samsung 8 GB set as it can overclock insanely well and you seem to be more or less a computer enthusiast so it wouldn't be wasted!
2. Video Card: I'd recommend swapping to this Gigabyte GTX 670, while it doesn't have quite the same overclock as the FTW edition it has a much better cooling design, frankly I don't know why EVGA would do such an overclock with the reference cooler. You could always manually overclock this a bit more as well since you have the cooling to back it up.
 

Cyborg

Member
Jan 31, 2001
105
0
76
Nice looking system!

Few changes I would make though:
1. RAM: I'd suggest getting this Samsung 8 GB set as it can overclock insanely well and you seem to be more or less a computer enthusiast so it wouldn't be wasted!
2. Video Card: I'd recommend swapping to this Gigabyte GTX 670, while it doesn't have quite the same overclock as the FTW edition it has a much better cooling design, frankly I don't know why EVGA would do such an overclock with the reference cooler. You could always manually overclock this a bit more as well since you have the cooling to back it up.

Thanks! Appreciate the feedback. Placed my orders, so should have a nice little project for next weekend! Ended up ordering from Amazon as opposed to Newegg (no tax and fast shipping with prime!).
 

mfenn

Elite Member
Jan 17, 2010
22,400
5
71
www.mfenn.com
I know you already ordered, but if you can still cancel, here's a few things to think about:
1. At $100, the RE4 500GB drives are horrible values. You'd be better off in terms of capacity and data security by buying two 7K1000.D's and using one to back up your SSD and other HDD (backup, not RAID)
2. 750W is really overkill for this system. The Silencer Mk III 600W has plenty of power and costs less.
3. I didn't see any requirements that justified the $210 price of the P8Z77-V Pro. An ASRock Z77 Extreme4 will do 90% of what the ASUS board will do for 1/2 the price.
4. The 600T is an OK case, but the design is somewhat dated at this point. I think that the 550D offers better value for money (USB 3.0, sound dampening, etc.)
 

krnmastersgt

Platinum Member
Jan 10, 2008
2,873
0
0
I know you already ordered, but if you can still cancel, here's a few things to think about:
1. At $100, the RE4 500GB drives are horrible values. You'd be better off in terms of capacity and data security by buying two 7K1000.D's and using one to back up your SSD and other HDD (backup, not RAID)
2. 750W is really overkill for this system. The Silencer Mk III 600W has plenty of power and costs less.
3. I didn't see any requirements that justified the $210 price of the P8Z77-V Pro. An ASRock Z77 Extreme4 will do 90% of what the ASUS board will do for 1/2 the price.
4. The 600T is an OK case, but the design is somewhat dated at this point. I think that the 550D offers better value for money (USB 3.0, sound dampening, etc.)

Agreed on all points, didn't realize how pricey the motherboard or the HDD were.
 

Cyborg

Member
Jan 31, 2001
105
0
76
Cool, thanks for the feedback. Let me explain why I chose the components I did and see if you can poke holes in my logic.

So I haven't built/configured a desktop since 2000! For games, I had shifted over completely to consoles (xbox 360) and for work, laptops once my desktop pretty much expired several years later.

My current laptop, a Sony Z 5xx series bought in 2008, was as much power you could pack in a small a package as possible. Fast forward to 2012, all kinds of technological innovation occurring, and as I didn't need a new laptop for what I do on it, I decided to build a desktop instead to dabble and try out the latest/greatest.

So for this build, I am focused on following:
i) performance - geared towards gaming but a build that doesn't shy from some number crunching either

ii) aesthetics for case - didn't want an ugly "box" hiding in the corner, nor did I want a neon-lighted disco box.

iii) upgradeable - as this is the last year for LGA 1155 socket, I knew I'd be changing mobo and chipsets with a new Haswell family of CPUs, but needed to make sure that as many components as possible could be preserved. This also meant I needed to ensure components were of good quality, reliability, and had good support from manufacturers in terms of replacement and warranty. Plus brand-name products retain higher resale value when I upgrade to something better, even if its a year later.

I also wanted to make sure I didn't have to buy new components when I decided to expand. For example, wanted the PSU to be adequately rated when I went SLI with another GTX 670 card. I wanted the mobo to have adequate connectors/ports for adding more drives/cards. etc.

iv) thermals and noise - Wanted high thermal capacity and low thermal resistance (that's why full towers are great with lot of surface area and high thermal capacity). These two factors make it easier to cool the build, and in turn less work the fans have to do. Which in turns translate to less noise. To offset the higher CFM required in larger cases, larger diameter fans can be fitted operating at lower RPM to maintain similar air flow but at lower noise level. There are some good cases with sound dampeners, but some that sacrifice heat ejection for better acoustic. For example, putting sound dampeners on top of the case is the worst approach as heat goes straight up and now you have a thermally insulating barrier so your fans are working overtime to get the heat out another way. But heat also get transferred through the sides as well (not as much but its there). Metal cases are great for this reason with their low thermal resistance. I wanted to make sure ejecting heat was as easy as possible in my build.

v) clean, spacious, easy-to-work build - I was originally considering a full tower for the ease they provide in installing components as well as the point #iv above, however, they are huge and take up a lot of room. So I looked for a mid-tower with many features of a full tower.

So to address your individual suggestions:

1) The HDD setup was one thing I was on the fence about and didn't think thoroughly enough. I don't know why I jumped on the 500GB HDDs when the sweet spot is now around 1 TB drives. I got those 500GB HDD from Amazon for $89/unit. The 1TB is $120 instead. For the 5 year warranty, ruggedness, reliability, that $20 differential is not too bad compared to that Hitachi. What is concerning, which I didn't pay attention to before, is the noise level on these RE4s based on feedback by owners. While everything is already ordered (it will come tomorrow! love amazon!), I can return what I don't want with only a shipping penalty.

However, I didn't think about my backup needs in great detail. I have an external 2 TB drive that I use to backup my laptop. I was originally planning on setting up a NAS type system with this new rig as well that would backup automatically through the network. But I may need to setup a separate NAS server for that anyway.

So what I might do is, for lower power consumption and lower noise level, get two WD Caviar Green 1 TB HDDs, which are like $96/unit on amazon, and put them on RAID 1. Although still on the fence on whether I need a RAID setup for a gaming/media machine. All my important documents are on my laptop and get backed up regularly anyway. So not sure here....

2) 750 W is definitely an overkill for this build, but I am looking to add another GTX card for SLI by end of this year so wanted the option to grow.

3) I was originally considering MSI Z77A-GD55, but decided I'd go with Asus Pro instead for the bevy of ports/connections, reliability, ease of overclocking, and brand. Mobo was one component where it was not clear-cut to me which one I should pick. So went with what I thought I would need for an upgradable/expandable system, and one with good reliability and support.

4) The case is over a year and half old, but I really like the design/look - all dark curves :). What I really like is that its very easy to work with, lot of expansion option, and great cooling. Lot of features of a full tower in a mid-tower form factor. It only has one USB 3.0 port in the front, which kinda blows, but I can live with that. I figure this case will last me for at least another 5 years, if not 10.

I also decided to stay with the EVGA GTX 670 card for now. Its using a 680 board, and not the referenced 670 board, and from everything I've read, it has no problem keeping itself cool even under heaviest load (without further overclocking) while remaining quiet. Plus, EVGA has excellent support, so if I ever do crap out the card within the warranty period, I can get it replaced fast/easy. I've also read couple reviews from owners of gigabyte that they're overheating in SLI mode with two cards - not sure if this is one/two off, but as I have yet to hear any negatives on EVGA, decided to stick with it.

So there it is. A long response! But if you do happen to read to the end, would love you guys to poke holes in my logic and show me the light. While all my parts will be here by tomorrow, I can always return them unopened.

I know you already ordered, but if you can still cancel, here's a few things to think about:
1. At $100, the RE4 500GB drives are horrible values. You'd be better off in terms of capacity and data security by buying two 7K1000.D's and using one to back up your SSD and other HDD (backup, not RAID)
2. 750W is really overkill for this system. The Silencer Mk III 600W has plenty of power and costs less.
3. I didn't see any requirements that justified the $210 price of the P8Z77-V Pro. An ASRock Z77 Extreme4 will do 90% of what the ASUS board will do for 1/2 the price.
4. The 600T is an OK case, but the design is somewhat dated at this point. I think that the 550D offers better value for money (USB 3.0, sound dampening, etc.)
 

krnmastersgt

Platinum Member
Jan 10, 2008
2,873
0
0
I wouldn't say the sweet spot is 1 TB drives, you could get a few 1.5TB (only the Seagate Barracuda comes to mind actually) or 2 TB drives for not much more either (actually speaking cost efficiency I think grabbing a 3 TB for under $200 is the most efficient currently).

650W would have been enough for SLI'd 670s, 750 is just blatant overkill especially when you're not sure you'll get the second card.

Ease of overclocking is pretty much the same on all boards with this current generation, you go into the BIOS and you change the multiplier, presto you have an overclock. You overpaid quite a bit for the motherboard since I see nothing quite special about it that you couldn't get from a board almost $100 less.

I honestly don't see how the reference design, even if intended for 680 (very similar anyways) could possibly keep it cool AND quiet while under full load with a single fan. With something as hot as GPU there's usually a trade-off, you get quiet and hot or you get loud and cool, especially the case in top of the line models. The Gigabyte I linked earlier has more heatsink surface so it can dissipate heat more quickly as well as 3 fans so none of them have to spin up very much to keep the card cool.
 

Cyborg

Member
Jan 31, 2001
105
0
76
Ya, I think will definitely be returning the HDDs. Get a higher capacity model.

You may be right on the 650W requirement. Seems a single 670 based system consumes about 250W average (140-150W from the GPU) per Tom's Hardware review. However, as there's $18 dollar difference, shipping cost alone may consume that saving if I return the 750 now. Lets see how many other components I will be returning!

Your point taken on mobo and GPU.

And that Corsaid 500D is also starting to grow on me ;). Cooling seems to be done pretty well on it, and the design does look very sleek. Should've posted few days before I ordered to get this discussion going earlier!


I wouldn't say the sweet spot is 1 TB drives, you could get a few 1.5TB (only the Seagate Barracuda comes to mind actually) or 2 TB drives for not much more either (actually speaking cost efficiency I think grabbing a 3 TB for under $200 is the most efficient currently).

650W would have been enough for SLI'd 670s, 750 is just blatant overkill especially when you're not sure you'll get the second card.

Ease of overclocking is pretty much the same on all boards with this current generation, you go into the BIOS and you change the multiplier, presto you have an overclock. You overpaid quite a bit for the motherboard since I see nothing quite special about it that you couldn't get from a board almost $100 less.

I honestly don't see how the reference design, even if intended for 680 (very similar anyways) could possibly keep it cool AND quiet while under full load with a single fan. With something as hot as GPU there's usually a trade-off, you get quiet and hot or you get loud and cool, especially the case in top of the line models. The Gigabyte I linked earlier has more heatsink surface so it can dissipate heat more quickly as well as 3 fans so none of them have to spin up very much to keep the card cool.
 

Cyborg

Member
Jan 31, 2001
105
0
76
So looks like there will be no return shipping charges (within 30 days) after talking to an Amazon rep!

Alas, Amazon doesn't have the gigabyte GPU, samsung memory, nor the ASRock motherboard in stock!

But if I go with your recommendations, I can slash the build cost by roughly $300 (excluding newegg taxes/shipping).


---

I take it back. The amazon rep was confused. Shipping rates will be applied!
 
Last edited:

Remobz

Platinum Member
Jun 9, 2005
2,564
37
91
Ya, I think will definitely be returning the HDDs. Get a higher capacity model.

You may be right on the 650W requirement. Seems a single 670 based system consumes about 250W average (140-150W from the GPU) per Tom's Hardware review. However, as there's $18 dollar difference, shipping cost alone may consume that saving if I return the 750 now. Lets see how many other components I will be returning!

Your point taken on mobo and GPU.

And that Corsaid 500D is also starting to grow on me ;). Cooling seems to be done pretty well on it, and the design does look very sleek. Should've posted few days before I ordered to get this discussion going earlier!

Would you consider getting a Corsair Carbide Series 300R Mid-Tower Gaming Case?

Its cheaper than the Corsair 550D.


Here is a review by anandtech ---->

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6055/corsair-carbide-300r-case-review-corsair-for-the-masses
 

Cyborg

Member
Jan 31, 2001
105
0
76
Would you consider getting a Corsair Carbide Series 300R Mid-Tower Gaming Case?

Its cheaper than the Corsair 550D.


Here is a review by anandtech ---->

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6055/corsair-carbide-300r-case-review-corsair-for-the-masses

It's definitely a good option so thank you. I was trying to keep most of these components on the "high-end" side, especially the case, as I will be looking at it, more than the internals, most of the time. But I will definitely consider it.
 

mfenn

Elite Member
Jan 17, 2010
22,400
5
71
www.mfenn.com
I wouldn't say the sweet spot is 1 TB drives, you could get a few 1.5TB (only the Seagate Barracuda comes to mind actually) or 2 TB drives for not much more either (actually speaking cost efficiency I think grabbing a 3 TB for under $200 is the most efficient currently).

650W would have been enough for SLI'd 670s, 750 is just blatant overkill especially when you're not sure you'll get the second card.

Ease of overclocking is pretty much the same on all boards with this current generation, you go into the BIOS and you change the multiplier, presto you have an overclock. You overpaid quite a bit for the motherboard since I see nothing quite special about it that you couldn't get from a board almost $100 less.

I honestly don't see how the reference design, even if intended for 680 (very similar anyways) could possibly keep it cool AND quiet while under full load with a single fan. With something as hot as GPU there's usually a trade-off, you get quiet and hot or you get loud and cool, especially the case in top of the line models. The Gigabyte I linked earlier has more heatsink surface so it can dissipate heat more quickly as well as 3 fans so none of them have to spin up very much to keep the card cool.

:thumbsup::thumbsup: Great response, I agree wholeheartedly.

To elaborate a bit on the GPU, even though the EVGA reference card will certainly keep the board cool enough to function, it still only has a single blower fan. That means it will be LOUD in comparison to the Gigabyte.
 

mfenn

Elite Member
Jan 17, 2010
22,400
5
71
www.mfenn.com
Ya, I think will definitely be returning the HDDs. Get a higher capacity model.

I'd still recommend that you do a backup setup instead of RAID should you decide to get two drives. RAID doesn't protect you from a virus or accidental file deletion. It also doesn't protect your system drive. RAID is for availability, backup is for protection. IMHO, protection is more important than availability.

And that Corsaid 550D is also starting to grow on me ;). Cooling seems to be done pretty well on it, and the design does look very sleek. Should've posted few days before I ordered to get this discussion going earlier!

It's a very nice case, I have one myself. Corsair cases have rapidly improved in terms of design over the past 2 years, and the 550D is sitting at the design pinnacle (at least for now).