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doornail

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Originally posted by: SeerukHowever when it comes to gaming the last OS on earth I would reccomend at the moment would be Linux.

The very last eh? Tell me, Mr. Consultant, what's the second most capable OS for running ms windows games?

Like Sunner, I don't recommend Linux for gamers -- but the fact that there are people running Directx 9 games like World of Warcraft under it right now is pretty damn impressive.

But it doesn't matter what you and I think, Seeruk, or what we want to con people into believing. The future is Open. Linux on the desktop is here and, as people switch over, the support will get better and the games and gamers will come cascading in.

Microsoft's only advantage is having 97% of users locked into their tiny corral. Pretty soon those users will start to notice that the only thing MS is developing for Vista is tighter fences and begin pushing. There is zero exciting over Vista. There *is* buzz around Linux, plus a renewed buzz around Apple. Both those OS's are cross-platform friendly. Which means we're seeing less need for windows while MS is making owning windows a bigger and bigger pain in the ass.

 

drag

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Actually the last OS i'd recommend for gaming is the OS/390 that I have to log into everyday at work. :)

Comming into a close second as 'all time worst' gaming OS would be OS/400...

Then next worst could be possibly GNU/Hurd.. although to the other two it's pretty damn rockin.

 

doornail

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Originally posted by: drag
Then next worst could be possibly GNU/Hurd..

To steal a quote from Slashdot...

The OS of the future is GNU/Hurd. And in the future the OS of the future will be GNU/Hurd.

 

BlueWeasel

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I'm not a hardcore user of Linux. I dabble with it and check out different distros on my laptop. I'm extremely impressed with the development and amazed at all the included software....all being free.

Having said that, I think the article is poorly written, unpolished, and biased. I would have expected someone who claims to be "an IT Professional to some of the largest organisations on the planet" to have written a more professional article -- not some multipage rant.

I find it ironic that such a childish article is on a site called Grown-up Gamers.
 

Sunner

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Originally posted by: drag
Then next worst could be possibly GNU/Hurd.. although to the other two it's pretty damn rockin.

Imaginary OS's don't count ;)
 

Seeruk

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Christ on a bike there are some stuck records here, either that or a freakin boring echo!

I'll try some bold to help aid short memorys

1 It is an experience, nothing more nothing less. The aim was to review Linux gaming but such is the problematic nature of modern gaming hardware in linux it became more of a log of what happened and highlighting the problems you may hit. If you had the same hardware and did the same process you would hit the exact same issues, self-proclaimed linux god or not! Not everyone in the world has the 6 weeks time frame to try out something similar if they are thinking of making the switch and not 10 minutes ago I got an email from a reader thanking for the heads-up before wasting his limited gaming time.

Command line knowledge is very handy and I think that's a good thing generally. But other people disagree with me.

I don't disagree - I totally agree with you that CLI knowledge is very very valuable especially when caught in a tight spot! I highly recommend A Practical Guide to Linux® Commands, Editors, and Shell Programming by Mark Sobell himself (one of the 3-4 linux books I have read).

And going from windows to Linux is difficult at times.

*****Absolutley the point of the article!!!!!!******

but the fact that there are people running Directx 9 games like World of Warcraft under it right now is pretty damn impressive.

I agree - astonishing, but there are an absolute crap load of hoops to jump through before you get there not to mention the need to pay monthly to use cedega which isnt exactly in the spirit of things now is it? Performace is lower - so if you system can just about run it in Windows then it will be unplayable under linux/cedega.

But it doesn't matter what you and I think, Seeruk, or what we want to con people into believing. The future is Open. Linux on the desktop is here and, as people switch over, the support will get better and the games and gamers will come cascading in.

this one really got my laughing... I spend 90% of my career recommending Solaris/Linux/Enter Multitude of OSS software here to business customers, yet you think I am conning people into not using Linux for gaming? As a fellow geek I look forward to the day proprietary software dies and the world becomes truly open source. But this is about now... 2005 Gaming Linux. Recommending 2005 gamers to switch to Linux for benefits they might see in 5, 10, 15 years WOULD be conning people!

I agree there is zero buzz for Windows Vista, anything exciting they could have done has since been removed from the plan. 5 years for an upgrade from XP to essentially an XP Plus pack will hopefully hit them hard!!

And you want to know my favourite OS? I love OSX and wish I had the deskspace for it to use on the side. At least when it goes x86 I'll be able to dual boot it with gaming OS of choice at the time!




 

TGS

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Originally posted by: Seeruk
The only issues you had was with the Wifi stuff and Video card, right?

Nope... using less than half the installed memory, CPU scaling, the inability to switch between sound cards (though this is ubuntu specific I think), enabling UDMA is something I forgot to add, mounting of drives, the numlock key, the insistence of using IPV6.... all ridiculous little niggles that have no place in a modern OS.


Sunner - Actually WinXP SP2 does have native drivers for all you have mentioned, perhaps not 'optimized' but still functional.

And come to mention it so does Windows Vista beta 1.

I don't think I was either unprofessional or unbiased, it is simply a blow by blow account of an experience that was meant to highlight Linux gaming as it is possibly the one element of a desktop OS that the everage user is perhaps unable to do if they are considering the switch. I also felt I gave credit where it was due e.g. the installation procedure, the gnome desktop, reminding people this is a voluntary effort, etc

However after 6 weeks of fannying around with hardware that is commonplace and even required for modern games, I need to write up where its at rather than waste more time!



Anyway an update will be made some point today/tonight incorporating some of the useful things (mainly from bersl2) and perhaps giving more points of reference for help on topics like ubuntuguide and some of the newsgroups.

So you are telling us on a gaming rig, you will use the MS provided drivers for you hardware? You don't expect the developer to give you upto date stable/beta drivers to suit your needs?

Come on, that's the kind of misinformation that you shouldn't be peddling. Are you telling me that a x800XT works without issue with the base install of windows XP?

Can you take all that hardware and move it to a solaris environment? HP-UX, OpenBSD, etcc.? Why not? If it's fully supported under Windows it should be good every where, right? I mean out of the box functionality, (IE driver support that barely comes into play with Windows XP) means the hardware/software developers are communicating with all the OS developers.

I still don't understand how a Solaris SA would call VI horrible.

You also try to substantiate recommending the best solution for a particular app to run on. That screams research on what particular OS suits a task and knowing the basis behind it. This piece is filled with a genuine lack of background research on what distro would be the easiest to setup and maintain. Basing a distro decision on marketing hype is a poor way to start.

Linux is not the end all be all of gaming, but it is a growingly attractive alternative to Windows. Support for the hardware and software is growing to a very acceptable level. With API support for things like DX9 the playing field is being leveled as OSS developers has a great deal of insight of getting MS (labeled) products to work on any Linux distro.

Honestly, and I do mean that. If this is an actual piece you want to get taken seriously, scrap it. Start over from the Linux gaming perspective. Even if it shortens the article some, that's what it is supposed to be and should focus on the subject. Make a list of the pros and cons of using 1 distro. Otherwise it would be like a Windows piece where the writer goes on some tangent about switching from 95 to ME to 2000 to XP to XP64 and complaining why gaming sucks on Windows.


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Actually I can draw an easy parallel with XP64. I could not run punkbuster so I couldn't play BF1942 my main game. So XP64 gets hacked at the knees. Though that was just on BF1942. Other games, such as City of Heroes would play fine.
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Take down some performance numbers after you get the setup working. Make it objective. The peice is supposed to be about Linux, not a newbie trying to get linux to work. If that is the intent of the work, then change the subject title to reflect it. Remove the negative comments, and replace with objective observation. The point isn't to bash linux or windows, it's to find the strengths and flaws and report which gives the best performance under each scenerio.

If you want to refine the article, you will seriously have to rework it to convey the real information that I believe you are looking for. Gaming under Linux is going to assume the reader knows how to operate a Linux box and get their components working.

Just like every windows based gaming/hardware review does not include 8/10ths of the piece dedicated on patching XP SP2 and the latest drivers for the devices in question.
 

sourceninja

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You do not. Let me say this again DO NOT have to pay monthly for cedega. You only have to pay when there are updates that come out that you want.

Its just like buying a software upgrade.

Hell, even then you do not even have to pay for cedega, you could compile it yourself from their CVS.

I subscribe for 3 months ($15.00) and if at the end of that 3 months, a new version comes out, with features I want, then I buy it. I didn't buy for 6 months last time until a version came out that supported guild wars. Then I bought another 3 months. The program does not stop working if you stop paying. Its a myth. My buddy has never paid. He compiles it himself.

I think my main point in my previous post is you didnt do any linux research. Yes your PC is "common" WINDOWS componets. Let me go build a random PPC pc and see if mac osx will run. A platform switch is not as easy as install a new OS on a pc. You need to research just like you did for windows gaming. If you did you would of went with wifi cards that supply their own drivers (there are 2 or 3 wireless G's out there) and a Nvidia video card (because you would of known you didn't have a real chance in hell of good 3d support and ati).

The basic problem with these switch to linux posts is there is abosolutly no reason to change your OS. You already payed for Windows XP, you own it. It works. Wait until your next PC and pick the right parts and go linux. But what does anyone have to gain by switching their OS for no obvious reason. Especially for something as obviously unsupported as gaming. I mean I didn't buy my Xbox to surf the web (it works, but thats not its purpose and it took a lot of work to do it). So I guess I should write an article about how the xbox sucks to setup for normal desktop users as a desktop machine because it requires adding a mod chip.

So, does gaming work on linux? Yes
Can you play windows games on linux ? you have a 50/50 chance
Is 3d drivers easy to install on linux? Nvidia, yes. ATI, not all the time
Does alsamixer suck? No i find it very intiuitive, but I tend to use gnome-alsamixer because i'm lazy.
Do you have to subscribe to a service to pay windows games? No
To you have to pay for software to play windows games? No, not unless you need copy protection support and dont want to use a no cd crack.
Is linux the choice for hard core gotta have latest and greatest gamers? No
At what rate would you say a gamer can play new windows games? 3-6 months after release
Are their native games for linux? Yes and more come every day.

And about windows vista. I have it, I've used it in vmware. It is just windows xp with a perty litle skin on it and about 1 million more bugs. Compared to other MS beta's I've used, I have to say its the worst I have ever seen. This OS is going to suck hard for a long time (I bet for at least 1-2 years after release). It has major glitches with avalon, IE7, and the gui api in general. Yea sure, its beta and it will get better, but it makes the windows xp beta seem tame compared to this beta.
 

TGS

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Hit quote by mistake...

Edit: Nevermind disregard what I said. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt on the piece.

Not everyone in the world has the 6 weeks time frame to try out something similar if they are thinking of making the switch and not 10 minutes ago I got an email from a reader thanking for the heads-up before wasting his limited gaming time.

And going from windows to Linux is difficult at times.

*****Absolutley the point of the article!!!!!!******

The entire intent of this drivel is to explain more difficult than developer supported Windows = waste of time. How in the world did you ever learn Solaris. Did it take you 6 weeks to become a master at that as well?

Christ on a stick man, this is my true Linux story

[Everyone grab a pillow]

Nforce2 board
1800+xp
9700Pro AIW
200GB Maxtor
2x60 Barracuda IIIs on a software raid controller

From completely unwashed windows gamer I took the plunge. The intent was to have a fully equivalent gaming box with full htpc functionality.

It took work to get get the SPDIF out in alsa conf files, a kernel patch to get AGP gart support. Also configuring ATI drivers. Some how the research on all of that, by the end of a six hour install and research session I had my box. This was at a time when Nforce2 was the end all be all XP platform. Which is why I required the AGP patch. Message boards written to 0. All the information was found through heavy google seraching.

I will tell you I had never once before did anything other than load a knoppix cd, as far as my Linux involvement went.

The biggest hassles where the three mentioned items. The ALSA conf file for the intel (whatever) chipset settings the nforce2 board could use required a change from a 1 to a 2 deep in a out of the way file to enable SPDIF support. This was later remedied in a subsequent version of ALSA(pre 2.6 kernel).

At the end of my session( I was running FC2) I had a box that could run my windows games, though I was hooked on enemy territory for a while, I could do DVD playback to my TV via s-video with full 5.1 DD sound. Component, I can't recall if that video method worked or not. IIRC I think it did, but I don't think you could use it as the primary display as the card wouldn't show you post messages while in component mode.

What I couldn't do was use my 9700pro AIW remote, and the TV software while I was running hardware accelerated graphics. Each function required it's own driver at the time.

[passes out smelling salts]

Could I write a piece objectively on what to expect with trying to configure a box for certain functions under Linux? Sure. Could I write a piece on Linux gaming performance? Sure. Would I stand on a soapbox and tell the unwashed masses that Linux has no place for a gamer? Depends on what software and hardware they are running. Not all gamers are bleeding edge as you try to portray. Check the stats on hardware on counter strike systems. You'll find a nice majority using antiquated hardware by your standards.

I don't understand how you can write a piece and claim some authority on the subject matter when you cannot even get basically functionality from your machine, when the tools are provided.

Though I'm sure that could be in " bold to help aid short memorys ". Yet I forget to see why my memory seems to fail on me when I look for some credible expertise on the subject.


 

Seeruk

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The selectiveness of your comments and what you recall is exemplified by this:

I don't understand how you can write a piece and claim some authority on the subject matter when you cannot even get basically functionality from your machine, when the tools are provided.
When in fact what I actually STARTED the article with was this:
I know my way around Unix and shell script through working at the server end of things, so I probably have an advantage over the average Joe when it comes to migrating to the Linux world. I have actually casually played around with Linux distros for a while but rarely outside of a virtual PC using something like the superb VMWare. This is my first attempt at setting up a real, useful, and gaming orientated Linux desktop?.

TGS - Good on you man, and you were fortunate enough to have the right combination of hardware. But the point is that the questions I get, the forums I read get, the discussions I have had about switching to Linux for an average home user have centered around will I still be able to play a good selection of games.
So I tried it to speak from experience, the hardware side is a failure, I don't see any solution offered in any post above other than to BUY new, often older and poorer performing hardware. After reading the article what would I decide to do if I still wanted to switch for the limited selection of current games available on Linux?? Well I think the sensible conclusion a person would come to is that they would decide to buy new hardware specifically for Linux.
Its a conclusion I am going to add to it (even though I have already eluded tosome key brands to go for / avoid).
 

TGS

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Originally posted by: Seeruk
The selectiveness of your comments and what you recall is exemplified by this:

I don't understand how you can write a piece and claim some authority on the subject matter when you cannot even get basically functionality from your machine, when the tools are provided.
When in fact what I actually STARTED the article with was this:
I know my way around Unix and shell script through working at the server end of things, so I probably have an advantage over the average Joe when it comes to migrating to the Linux world. I have actually casually played around with Linux distros for a while but rarely outside of a virtual PC using something like the superb VMWare. This is my first attempt at setting up a real, useful, and gaming orientated Linux desktop?.

TGS - Good on you man, and you were fortunate enough to have the right combination of hardware. But the point is that the questions I get, the forums I read get, the discussions I have had about switching to Linux for an average home user have centered around will I still be able to play a good selection of games.
So I tried it to speak from experience, the hardware side is a failure, I don't see any solution offered in any post above other than to BUY new, often older and poorer performing hardware. After reading the article what would I decide to do if I still wanted to switch for the limited selection of current games available on Linux?? Well I think the sensible conclusion a person would come to is that they would decide to buy new hardware specifically for Linux.
Its a conclusion I am going to add to it (even though I have already eluded tosome key brands to go for / avoid).


No you started with,

When the title reads:


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"Yes I know" I scream into the face of the latest Linux evangelist to harass me into giving it a try.
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You don't even attempt to write an accurate article on the topic.

You try to play off the fact the developers have weak support for Linux, is some how a fault of the Linux community. If drivers are not written from Microsoft, where do you go to get full functionality? The manufacturer of the device. No gamer is going to run some VGA compatible driver from MS over the manufacturer driver.

Using Linux, isn't a matter buying new hardware. Most hardware works fine, or with some hampered capabilties because the developers refuse to support of give the tools for the OSS community to develop the drivers themselves.

Look at the glaring differences between Nvidia and ATI support. Linux users recommend, Nvidia because the driver is easier to setup. Though somehow I got my 9700pro working for games without major issues. Heck I didn't even know you had to enable hardware acceleration, that's something I took for granted.

The reason I question your knowledge is simply this. If I have a Windows problem who do I go to? Some nameless support guy? Or the local resident Windows expert? Why would anyone anyone go to someone other than the most knowledgable authority on the subject.

For me, I can put this into more perspective. If someone has a storage problem, and they want to talk to someone in my work section. Do they talk to the solaris guy, or do they talk to the Storage guy? I would hope they would seek out my attention, because I can provide them with insight into fixing their problems in ways they may have not have thought about.

If the intent of the piece is to write about how hard it is to transition from Linux to Windows, change the title to correctly reflect that. Start at the VERY top that you have little to no real Linux experience on this topic, and will not be seeking out subject matter experts and only search for anonymous support.


In all seriousness, you could change the title to:

Building a Linux gaming box or Transitioning a box from Windows to Linux for gaming

Subtitle, still difficult to the newbie Linux user.

It still would be closer to the message you are trying to push.
 

n0cmonkey

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Complaint number one... why the hell would I want 3 or 4 different media players, 2 Different office environments and duplication of all kinds of applications??

You probably don't, but without trying how do you know which one you like the best?

It seems like someone has put a lot of effort into creating a desktop that looks and feels just like windows!

Use something else. Blackbox is one of my favorites. w9wm is pretty neat, and what I'm using on my PDA at the moment. Very not Windows like. :)

Then after 30 seconds I started to get a headache, and from this point on I realised really how terrible Linux is with hardware unless you are using some ancient laptop.

Granted, my hardware isn't brand spanking new, but Linux supports most of my machines quite well. Everything from Dual athlons, to dual p3s, to single athlons. I said most of my machines because I don't know how well it supports sparc4m, sparc4u, and various PPC hardware. ;)

At which point I hit problem number two... my wlan NIC doesn?t work and thus no internet access

You must have gotten a bad card. Typically chipsets from the US aren't supported well because the companies that produce them are ridiculously stupid. Support Taiwan, use RALink based cards. They work well under Windows too.

Oh, and as I'm sure you gathered from your research ATI sucks. Their drivers are ass. I prefer to use free drivers, and nVidia's free drivers are decent. Their unfree drivers are supposed to be good too. Avoid ATI, buy nVidia video cards (not nForce motherboards, that's another story). :)

Good job I know how to use the awful 'vi' text editor from my Unix experience eh?

When I started using vi I hated it. While "on the job" I learned a trick or two that saved me literally DAYS worth of work. Now, I love vi. :heart:

Installation was a breeze and actually better than SUSE's even though it wasn?t graphical.

OpenBSD's installation is, IMO, the best out there. It's as far from graphical as you can get without it being aural. :D

Also I really like the Gnome desktop - much cleaner and snappier than the KDE one in SUSE and things are looking up!

Last time I used Gnome, it acted about the same as KDE. Little menu in the lower left hand corner, taskbar like thing, etc...

It turns out that natively, only a select band of wireless chipsets are supported and most of them are 802.11b notebook cards. Some of the more common G cards are supported, but certainly not anything like the Pre-N PCI cards I use for their fantastic range and rock-steady connection under Windows.

You got a card that doesn't follow a real standard and you wonder why it doesn't work? The companies that produce the chipsets aren't releasing information for F/OSS programmers to make drivers. Blame the companies, not Linux.

NDISWRAPPER is an abomination and should never be used. Buy better hardware and you won't have a problem. :)

However I have had all kinds of DNS resolution and other very slow browsing to deal with due to the stupid insistence on Linux distro's to insist on using IPV6 even though virtually no hardware outside enterprise level routers and switches support anything other than IPV4.

Um, Linux doesn't insist on using ipv6. In fact, you'd probably have to tell it to use ipv6.

... plus your mouse (which is going through a KVM) will be completely uncontrollable and randomly clicking on things. Scratch that one ? if they can?t get the basics right!

If FC4 had that problem for everyone there would be a huge stink about it and a quick fix. It's you in this case, sorry.

And finally went back to Ubuntu (32 bit this time as app support for 64 bit is still shaky so much so that you cant even get flash for firefox!).

Not having flash is a feature. :) And that would be Macromedia's fault anyhow, not Linux's.

The new WLAN NIC was detected out of the box but only worked without any form of security such as WEP or WPA :(

WEP is known broken, and WPA is fairly untested. Use IPSEC.

The only solution was to disable the AC97 in the BIOS (and thus have to re-enable it for windows sessions).

There is probably a way around this, but that's the besst way to ensure a system doesn't use AC97.

After much reading around I find that in fact ALSA (one of the gazillion sound protocols in Linux it seems) ...

I'm pretty sure it's the official sound driver stuff these days.

Turns out that formats such as MP3, WMA, ATRAC and other of the most popular formats are not supported out of the box and now I have to go and hunt for a grand total of 15 different packages and apps to get to such a stage.

mp3 and WMA at least aren't free. There are licensing issues with both. Including support for them in a distro could be disasterous.

unfortunately a lot of the necessities such as flash, java and others out in the wilderness of other repositories for compatible packages and dependencies.

JAVA and Flash also aren't free and have their own licensing issues.

I had thought things had started to get a bit sluggish and some digging around found that the i386 architecture only supports the first 900mb of RAM!! Thus I needed to install a new kernel based on the i686 architecture.

Are you sure you didn't just have to have the big memory option (I can never remember the name of it) in the kernel? I don't think the cpu matters much there since the over all arch is the same.

WineX is a windows emulator ...

No it isn't.

But still overall the choice is limited, and if it comes from the EA stable ? don?t even bother trying!!

Aren't we still boycotting EA? :confused:

Certain brands like Belkin and until recently ATI were best to be avoided as there is less support for them.

And this is the fault of those companies. If the setup is too complicated, blame the companies that created the crap driver instead of releasing specs.
 

doornail

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Seeruk,

Would you please re-read your article? There's a lot of "Sticker of Calvin pissing on Random Automaker" in it. Maybe you're expecting everyone to catch a tone or humor that it just doesn't convey.
 

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/ ranting on his article.
start/rant on attitude:
Monkey avatar man with bad attitude: linux users like flavors. microsoft is vanilla. linux is blue moon. big software corporations like only vanilla. we have to add blue moon. and its like they put in acid in the vanilla that makes blue moon taste bad, but vanilla taste good. linux's fault? no, its their choice if corps they dont give the open-source movement their code, but it makes linux harder to use.

Everyone Else: lets give him other articles pointing out postitive stories that have miniature horror stories, with someone that has a positive attitude about it, fixes the problem(s), and smiles and works on.

Me? I found out about compatability issues before i even started putting together a list for my new computer. I had only heard of linux occasionally before, I live in the middle of effing Wisconsin. I found drivers. I will have windows xp and probably a linux distro. I will game. I will code. I will not b1tch. You had a bad experience? yeah, well I had a bad experience with beans (guess). Will I still eat them? yeah, they taste good. side-effects? certainly.

Conclusion: Stop complaining about the magic price of free. I'm not going to b1tch and complain about a free pizza, coming from a new pizza place-if they screw up on it, and put mushrooms and anchovies on a plain cheese, i will pick off the mushrooms and the anchovies. Why? Because its f-ing free, duh.


 

Seeruk

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Actually..... let it live :) I am about 10% through doing an update to the article with 5.10 Breezy, Quake 4 and the newer point2play.

When it is finished is dependent on work/gf/dog and other factors .... but I would expect this one to come out much more positively ;)

 

sourceninja

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I only have 1 game I like to play that wont run in linux. Battlefield 2. So I play it at work.

All my other games are linux native (ut2k4, quake 3, quake 4, nwn, etc) or run fine in cedega (half life 2, moo2, dawn of war, warcraft 3, etc)
 

Seeruk

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BF2 is also on the list...

In fact the list is:


WoW (Cedega)
Half Life 2 (and any other steam games I get working) (cedega)
Quake 4 native
BF2 (Cedega)
UT2004 Native

Also on 2 boxes this time... different gfx chipsets (ATI & Nvidia)

In fact the hardware is the 2 rigs in my sig
 

rmrf

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Originally posted by: Seeruk
BF2 is also on the list...

In fact the list is:


WoW (Cedega)
Half Life 2 (and any other steam games I get working) (cedega)
Quake 4 native
BF2 (Cedega)
UT2004 Native

Also on 2 boxes this time... different gfx chipsets (ATI & Nvidia)

In fact the hardware is the 2 rigs in my sig

Text

:)
 

hooflung

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Tigs... you rock and spoke on my behalf.

I too am a Win2k SP4 user on my game rig. I use Ubuntu, gentoo and mandriva on my other PCs. My HTPC is currently XP HOME because I bought Snap Stream a while back and it works better than myth for my needs.

I just installed a fresh SP4 install, no slip stream, and I use SiS 755 w. 964 IDE, Intel 1000pro nic, Audigy 2, GF6800, Cool n' Quiet and none of that works on my OS off the bat. I have to go D/L drivers after installing SP4 and patching the OS to latest security. ( well I install the SP4 then the chipset drivers ) and lets not even mention getting HD support for > 137G harddisks or USB 2.0.
 

nweaver

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Install XP on your sata drive (dig out a floppy, make the drivers, realize the floppy is DOA, dig out another, realize you have the floppy cable on backwards, press F6 to get drivers, miss, the prompt, reboot and try again...) and install Linux on your SATA drive (supported on the live CD out of box).

Yep, linux doesn't support new hardware.....

and dependancy hell is very minimized with apt-get. Compare that to rpm hell (in an older redhat distro) or windows DLL hell.

vi does kinda suck, but vim is the shiznits....I use it every single day, and am glad that I can. compare notepad to vim sometime.....
 

nweaver

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Originally posted by: Soviet
Linux is for sad people :) Yep, nothin new there.

Yep, I"m sad that I didn't spend my hard earned money on an archaic OS...very very sad.