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JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Leros
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
what good are these numbers if you will never ever see a d/l at 18mb......

Also what good is having an up[load of 1mb if you never see it????

Most people don`t need these insane speeds for any p[ractical purpose!!

Now of your a gamer possibly having these speeds would be nice but still its all about the upload....for gamers!

Gamers don't even need those speeds. Except for updates, gaming doesn't transfer as much data as people think. What you need is low ping times, not fast data transfer. I know a few people who game on dial-up with no problem, except for the occasional 8 hour update.

actually we are not talking about just being able to game......most peopl on dial up can game....

But you won`t touch me if your on dial up and I am on cable or dsl if we are playing a fps game such as quake4........

Yes most of your better gamers have rock solid connection with very few hops between there connection and the server....
 

Miramonti

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Cable is getting ready to tackle FIOS in terms of speed. It's pretty sweet actually.

More details? There's absolutely no hope for fios anytime soon where I'm at.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: spidey07
Cable is getting ready to tackle FIOS in terms of speed. It's pretty sweet actually.

More details? There's absolutely no hope for fios anytime soon where I'm at.

Docsis 3.0 was ratified last year (100+ Mbs) both ways. It will take some time before the cable companies upgrade. That costs money to retrofit, they're not gonna just give up gear unless there is a good reason to do so.

One of my golf buddies is VP of engineering for a cable company. They've got capacity out the wazoo and are preparing for it on the transport layer. Then when the current gear is old enough they'll replace and roll it out.
 

KK

Lifer
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90GB a month limit. Even though that's more than I can find to download, I don't like limits.
 

Iron Woode

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
So how much will they actually let you use before they cut you off?
Rogers will only cut you off if you are doing something illegal. And even then they are hesitant to cancel services. You can get away with quite a bit.
 

JackBurton

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Jul 18, 2000
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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: spidey07
Cable is getting ready to tackle FIOS in terms of speed. It's pretty sweet actually.
They've still got a ways to go. FIOS offers 30Mbps down/5Mbps up for $100/month. We'll see if Verizon will kick up the speed once cable starts getting close, speed wise. I see a lot of talk about download speeds, what are the upload speeds? Upload is pretty dang important to me too.

Those speeds are nothing for cable in all honesty. It just takes time for them to get the new gear.
That's just what FIOS speeds are available now. I'm sure Verizon has quite a bit more headroom, although 100 both ways is damn good enough for me...well gigabit both ways would be nice too. :)
 

herbiehancock

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All the talk of FIOS.......makes me weep for our lousy internet connection we have to suffer using. Dial-up, although DLS is supposed to be installed sometime in the next few weeks. Thank God for small favors.........we've been promised that for over a year, now maybe it'll happen. But it's slow 256K up/1.5 down.

Interestingly, while we patiently wait for the DSL to be connected, a four man crew has been burying orange plastic pipe down our road the last two weeks. The pipe is rather large in diameter, and with all the electrical outages around here, we all in the neighborhood figured they were burying the elect. lines.

Now, you've got to understand where we live......we're at least 15 miles from any town....very country and we like it. Private, quiet, lots of land. We're a mile down a dirt road and were the third family to move into this area 11 years ago. Now there are 43 families in the 2.5 miles of our road. But we've all got a minimum of 2.5 acres each.....some of us have more. ;)

So we never expect anything technologically advanced, other than DirecTV, to ever end up out here. Hell, we've heard we're going to have our road paved for these same 11 years.....and it's still packed clay/dirt. C'est la vie.

But, back to the orange pipe. They were putting it in in fromt of my house today. I go out and talk with the guys. It's fiber optic phone lines....not elect. Guy tells me they plan to have all our houses connected optically within 6 months.......including internet and then TV service.

Our telephone company that services us is a rural telephone co-op, which means they're typically underfunded, understaffed, and provide just basic service. But something must have happened in its upper management because of a lot of stuff bieng upgraded and installed. The guy tells me that the DSL, which will be phased out, is about to get a speed bump up to 6 down. And when the FIOS is hooked up.....good gawd!

So, even down in SE GA, we are finally progressing in some areas. ;) Now if we could only get rid of the gnats and drop the humidity below 90% during the summer.........

 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: HyTekJosh
Cablevision's Optimum Online 30/5 for $44.95/month

And if you try to use any of that 5mb upload speed, they'll cap you in a heartbeat. Also, that's the 6 month promotion.

Verizon FTW.

Also, in my area, Verizon is offering 50/5 for $90/month + taxes. Compared to Cablevision at $60+ for 30/5 (I believe the bill used to be around $55/month for their basic package), so add another $15 for Boost. When Verizon was offering it's package for 30/5, it was $59.99 + tax/fees.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: JackBurton
That's just what FIOS speeds are available now. I'm sure Verizon has quite a bit more headroom, although 100 both ways is damn good enough for me...well gigabit both ways would be nice too. :)

I don't think you quite understand. It's a game of leapfrog and it is all based on money, customers and services. Neither technology is better than the other.

Verizon choose to rollout what is now outdated technology. They are behind the curve so to speak (this is the very reason why other telco's waited). It's not a battle of technology, it's a battle of plant and reach. It's not like fiber is some new technology. It's been around for 3 decades+ and for now copper/coax has the price advantage - the cable be it fiber or coax is similar, it's the chips/optics that make fiber more expensive.

that's the big reason why cable has an advantage.
 

fstime

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I've been at 15 mbps w/ Optimum Online for a while now.

They even offer 30 mbps for $15 more.

FIOS, no thanks.
 

fleshconsumed

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Doesn't both shaw and rogers have monthly cap and if you exceed it you either have to pay extra or have your speeds reduced to dial-up (figuratively speaking)?
 

Iron Woode

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Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Doesn't both shaw and rogers have monthly cap and if you exceed it you either have to pay extra or have your speeds reduced to dial-up (figuratively speaking)?
Rogers caps us at 60 gigs/month. They charge $1.25 for every gig over the cap up to $200.
 

Miramonti

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Aug 26, 2000
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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: spidey07
Cable is getting ready to tackle FIOS in terms of speed. It's pretty sweet actually.

More details? There's absolutely no hope for fios anytime soon where I'm at.

Docsis 3.0 was ratified last year (100+ Mbs) both ways. It will take some time before the cable companies upgrade. That costs money to retrofit, they're not gonna just give up gear unless there is a good reason to do so.

One of my golf buddies is VP of engineering for a cable company. They've got capacity out the wazoo and are preparing for it on the transport layer. Then when the current gear is old enough they'll replace and roll it out.

Sounds like its still going to be a while, especially since the fios rollout is pretty limited so far and relatively slow.

Fios or the equivalent would be awesome for me...I just may have to move to a fios friendly state/neighborhood.
 

Jawo

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Warning: A 90GB monthly capacity applies to Extreme Plus. The service will include a $1.25 per-gigabyte charge once monthly capacity is exceeded, up to a maximum of $200.00.

I love FiOS!!! 5/2 service is great (non-gamer) for $35/month. Cable will always suck b/c of the max (advertised and unlikely) vs reality. FiOS is guarenteed...I have tested it to the max!
 

Allanv

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Originally posted by: Ulfhednar
I just got upgraded to 20Mbit cable here in the UK for £16/month and we also use Motorola modems! :Q

Are you with NTL / Telewest / Virgin whatever as well, did they inform you it was upgraded?

or did you just notice it?

i think ours is next month
 

Ulfhednar

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Originally posted by: RichUK
Originally posted by: Ulfhednar
I just got upgraded to 20Mbit cable here in the UK for £16/month and we also use Motorola modems! :Q

WTH .. Who with?

I pay £25 a month for a 4Mbps internet connection through NTL.
Blueyonder/Virgin.

Just call them and say you want to switch to Sky. ;)

Originally posted by: Allanv
Are you with NTL / Telewest / Virgin whatever as well, did they inform you it was upgraded?

or did you just notice it?

i think ours is next month
We were already in the Preston/Wigan/Blackpool trial area so we already had it, it's going official 1st May though for everyone else. :)
 

Iron Woode

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Originally posted by: Martin
Looks a lot less desirable when you consider the 90GB limit and encrypted traffic throttling: http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/1859/
Its their network. If they don't want excessive BT traffic and copyright violation, then that is their right.

Trust me, this type of thing is going to get more common, as groups like the MPAA, etc. complain to ISPs.
 

Aikouka

Lifer
Nov 27, 2001
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Originally posted by: Leros
My town sucks. Our best plan is Suddenlink (used to be Cox). $60 for 480 KB/s down, 60KB/s up.

If you upload at max bandwidth (60KB/s) for an hour, they shut off your connection and you have to call in to reset your modem.
Bit torrent won't run above 3KB/s even on Linux distros.
If you download a large video file, it crawls to sub 100KB/s.

So painful.

The next best option is DSL with a max speed of 256KB/s.

I do not look forward to leaving my dorm's 25Mbit connection this summer.

Sigh, you think that's bad? I pay for 4/1 DSL and right now, my max speed is around 25-40k/s. It's not like there's a packet shaper that's messing with my downloading traffic, because even normal HTTP traffic is slow. I'm still looking into whether or not this is my ISP (my money's on them) or if it's my crappy routing setup with the crummy Linksys router that is so crappy it drops my wireless at least once every 10 minutes. Sadly enough, it isn't even a year old. Sometimes I'm lucky and the speed jumps back up to the usual 250-300k/s, but that only lasts for a couple hours at best.

I wonder if my ISP limits me because I have too much through traffic... I hate this concept of limited unlimited Internet. If it ain't really unlimited, don't advertise it as such.
 

flexy

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Originally posted by: Iron Woode
http://www.shoprogers.com/store/cable/I...perID=CG2P4S7FLF178MMBGBS1XSTJ6M7F1K10

On a side note; they are replacing older terayon modems with Motorola units capable of the 18 mbps speeds. I will be bringing mine in Friday.

ADSL2+ is standard in most of EU now...that is 16MB/1MB for about 40EU/m which includes VoIP phone over DSL. There are even more insane speeds upper north, scandinavia...i see people 20MB,25MB DSL lines +++

Btw...the upspeed is nice of course....but dont even ask me WHEN i even remotely use all the download bandwidth ;)

The nice thing about ADSL2 is also the lower ping times compared to old dsl.

Edit: No caps..are you kiddin' me :)