My Impressions Of My New Hitachi CLM174

Frankie

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I got it on Monday and I've been playing with it when I get home from work so I'm still playing with it, but here are my impressions so far.

First off, it is BRIGHT. The thing looks like a night light when the lights are off. I turned down the brightness to 48, I think, and I might turn it down a little more. In any case you do need to turn down the brightness some or you will go blind if you are looking at white backgrounds for any length of time. As far as the size of it, it looks MUCH bigger than my 17" CRT. Definitly the biggest I need for now and most likely in the future. Comparing it to my brother's 19" CRT the screen is more square than rectangle but it looks just as big. One other thing, you WILL need to change your resolution up higher. 1024x768 just won't cut it with the LCD. I cranked my up to 1280x1024 and it looks good. The only problem is that some games don't have that resolution. Oh well, I can deal with that. They still look great, but would look better with the native resolution of 1280x1024.

I checked it with the Monitor's online test to check for dead pixels and the such. No dead pixels and I'm sorry, but I just can't see how the colors could be more vibrant and colorful than this. As I said before, I'm Color Blind so when it comes to colors I most likely couldn't tell you if one red is more red than another. All I know is that compared to my old 17" CRT this thing looks GREAT as far as colors go.

Next comes the gaming. The first game I loaded up was Morrowind, just to look at the scenery. If I didn't know any better I would say I was looking at a post card. The LCD DEFINITLY makes that game come more to life. Next was Battlefield 1942. I played that and I could see no blurring or ghosting anywhere. It was a LITTLE bright in some places, which is why I turned down the brightness in the first place, but it looked great. One wierd thing though, the menu in Battlefield 1942 was very pixelated but the game itself looked good. I dont' know why that is, but I'm not too worried about the menu... as long as the game looks good, which it did. Next was Need For Speed II Hot Pursuit. Again no lag and it looked great. I also tried some Unreal Tournament, I don't have UT2003, and that looked good as well. I plan on installing the UT2003 demo this weekend and play with that some more and see what it looks like. The last thing I tried was Madden NFL 2003. I watched an exhibition game and while watching it I did notice one time when a player was running off the field real fast I could see some blurring around his helmet. It was white so that might have increased the blurring some, but I didn't see it any other time. All in all, it looked great and no blurring or ghosting so far expect for that one instance.

Now on to the DVD. The one I watched was Fast and the Furious. It looked good..... BUT during the scenes that are dark, very little light, it is VERY dark. It's not dark to where you can't see anything, but it is darker than on a CRT. I'm going to turn the brightness back up to 100 when I watch the next one. I also noticed one scene where the colors just were all distorted, it was a scene at night. It might have just been the way I was looking at it, I was leaning back in my chair some so I might not have been looking directly at it and that might have had some effect. I only saw that in once scene though. In any case I have to agree, so far, that the DVD MIGHT not be as good as on a CRT, but it still looked good to me and I'm going to watch alot of DVD's again to see how it looks. I haven't had the chance yet, been to busy playing with it, to play with the adjustments and see if I can get a better picture for the DVD. If anyone has any ideas on what I can do, help would be appreciated in that area.

My final thoughts on this, if you want a 17" LCD for gaming then you can't go wrong with the Hitachi. It looks great and I am VERY pleased so far with it. I just don't see where it could be less colorful than the Samsung. I don't have them side by side so I can't say, but I sure don't see anything wrong with the colors myself.

One more note, if you do plan on buying a LCD, or any monitor, get it from Monitors Direct. I am VERY pleased, since it works and I don't have to send it back. :D Also they had a great price and free shipping and great warranties.

Any more thoughts or questions are welcome.
 

filmore crashcart

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I had a feeling you were going to like this monitor.... One little tip, go into your display settings and play with the gamma some, a little tweaking there makes the colors even richer. I too had to turn the brightness down from the 100% default. I don't watch dvd on my computer (have a Sony 27" wega for that) but I'm sure you can also tweak the image there.
I didn't go wrong on buying this monitor.... that's all I got to say.
I guess I need to load back up Morrowind again - pretty game but I just couldn't get into all that plodding around trying to figure out what I was suppose to be doing.
 

noknokman

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I bought a CLM174 about a month ago and I'm very happy with it. I had read Tom's hardware guide review and a couple others, and most of what they said was true. I saw the Anandtech article last night for the first time. Although I agree with it on the whole, there is at least one point I have to address. The Hitachi monitor does have uneven illumination when it's first turned on, but after about a half an hour it becomes much more uniform. On mine the sides and bottom are obviously brighter, especially when looking at a blank screen as when the computer is booting. I would almost say it's an unacceptable defect if it weren't for the fact that it doesn't stay that way. Within a fairly short period of time the uniformity is quite good. Still a little brighter on the bottom but not objectionable. I only say this to warn potential owners; don't judge this aspect of the monitor too soon...let it run for a while. I ordered a whole slew of Dell 15" ultrasharp panels at work. It's my understanding that they're manufactured by Samsung, and they do exhibit greater uniformity and it seems a deeper black. They're awfully nice monitors, too. Much better veiwing angle than the Hitachi.
For gaming, the Hitachi is terrific. I had a gforce3 ti200 when I first got the monitor. Was very happy, but at the native 1200x1024 my fps wasn't the greatest. Since I can't seem to help myself, I bought a Radeon 9700 (non-pro). Now I have digital output and all the fps I need. With FSAA and anisotropic filtering I can't believe how great games look on this monitor. I play q3ctf and it's hard to believe that there's STILL detail in that three year old game that you can't see without the right hardware.
I would wholeheartedly recommend the Hitachi to anyone looking to go to a panel. And I recommend any panel over any CRT for practical usibility at this point.
 

Slappy00

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I was seriously considering getting this one too, but one question to you owners:

do you use the DVI or analogue connection, and do you notice a difference between the two?
 

AT

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Another happy Hitachi owner here. Frankie's comments are spot on.

I'd also like to hear if you guys noticed any difference between DVI and analog. I'm still stuck to analog with my GF3Ti200.
 

Kermy

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For me there's a definate difference between analog and DVI. DVI seems crisper and sharper.
 

XBoxLPU

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I am another happy Hitachi CML174 user too :)

Next was Battlefield 1942. I played that and I could see no blurring or ghosting anywhere. It was a LITTLE bright in some places, which is why I turned down the brightness in the first place, but it looked great. One wierd thing though, the menu in Battlefield 1942 was very pixelated but the game itself looked good. I dont' know why that is, but I'm not too worried about the menu.

BF1942 doesn't have the 1280X1024 resoultion as most EA Games don't... :(
 

ProviaFan

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Originally posted by: KnightBreed
We need a guinea pig to test out the NEC 1760NX.

Is this panel using the same glass as the Hitachi, BenQ, and Planar?
I volunteer; now where's my US$539? ;) :p

BTW, nice end-user review. Glad to hear you're happy with it, though I don't know that I'd prefer such a display for heavy Photoshop work, due to brightness uniformity problems (even though they are slight).
 

*kjm

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Originally posted by: jliechty
Originally posted by: KnightBreed
We need a guinea pig to test out the NEC 1760NX.

Is this panel using the same glass as the Hitachi, BenQ, and Planar?
I volunteer; now where's my US$539? ;) :p

BTW, nice end-user review. Glad to hear you're happy with it, though I don't know that I'd prefer such a display for heavy Photoshop work, due to brightness uniformity problems (even though they are slight).


Just FYI....

I use the Samsung 151P for my Photoshop work and the prints come out looking just like the LCD shows them. Samsung sends a truecolor type program along with the drivers so maybe that helps out. I will be moving this one to the wifes systems after a few more jobs and picking up the 171P for mine:)
 

Frankie

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Originally posted by: XBoxLPU
I am another happy Hitachi CML174 user too :)

Next was Battlefield 1942. I played that and I could see no blurring or ghosting anywhere. It was a LITTLE bright in some places, which is why I turned down the brightness in the first place, but it looked great. One wierd thing though, the menu in Battlefield 1942 was very pixelated but the game itself looked good. I dont' know why that is, but I'm not too worried about the menu.

BF1942 doesn't have the 1280X1024 resoultion as most EA Games don't... :(

I'm guessing that is why the menu looks pixelated and somewhat blury while the game itself looks great, except for the text which is also somewhat blurry, but still readable. I for one though do not see one part of the monitor being brighter than another. I'll have to pay closer attention when I boot it up to see, but I just haven't seen that yet. As far as DVI or Analog, I haven't used the analog yet and most likely won't. The one thing I was sure of when I started looking at Monitors was to make sure it had DVI connections. I don't know a whole lot about Digital and Analog, but I do know that Digial is much better. Also one more thing, the manual didn't say what you clean the montior with.. to get the fingerprints and dust off. Does anyone know what you use, or better yet what do you use?

In any case, I won't be going back to CRT's. I have seen the light, literally with this one. :D LOL
 

*kjm

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I make sure my LCD is off and use Endust for electronics anti static wipes. I picked them up at Wal Mart in the electonics department.
 

Buliwyf

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Originally posted by: XBoxLPU
I am another happy Hitachi CML174 user too :)

Next was Battlefield 1942. I played that and I could see no blurring or ghosting anywhere. It was a LITTLE bright in some places, which is why I turned down the brightness in the first place, but it looked great. One wierd thing though, the menu in Battlefield 1942 was very pixelated but the game itself looked good. I dont' know why that is, but I'm not too worried about the menu.

BF1942 doesn't have the 1280X1024 resoultion as most EA Games don't... :(



you can set it to run at 1280x10242. check the ea forums, many with LCDs have done this.
 

Buliwyf

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Originally posted by: XBoxLPU
you can set it to run at 1280x10242. check the ea forums, many with LCDs have done this

This?

What about for other eagames ?

CC:Generals doesn't have the video.con file


for generals you do this


"D:\games\Command and Conquer Generals\generals.exe" --xres 1280 -yres 1024

 

Dacalo

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i have the Planar 171M with 16ms response time and it is sweet.

another option to consider for those looking for 16ms LCDs
 

0LDSKOOL

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As far as im aware the planar uses the same panel as the hitachi CML174 so its really down to cosmetics.
Ive had my CM174B for a couple of weeks and im very happy with it.

A word of advice though, both anandtech and Tomshardware stated this TFT is actually better in Analog mode.
And tbh they are right...sure the DVI maybe slighty sharper but in Analog mode u have acess to all the osd options including contrast and full colour control on Red/Green and Blue.

I noticed this panel tends to be a bit bright and colours veered towards red...since using analog mode i have managed to adjust both these problems and it now looks the bizness.