UberNeuman
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If you're going to be that hard on Vader, I pity poor sf.
A person's attitude on this is indicitive of how they treat themselves. If you can't forgive Vader, jhu, how will you forgive yourself. Religions teach mercy not just for the sake of social harmony, but because the real aim of religion is to free us from self contempt. We are Vader in that we feel like we are as evil as him. Christianity, for example, makes it clear that your sins have all been paid for. The pity is that we don't believe it.
A person's attitude on this is indicitive of how they treat themselves. If you can't forgive Vader, jhu, how will you forgive yourself. Religions teach mercy not just for the sake of social harmony, but because the real aim of religion is to free us from self contempt. We are Vader in that we feel like we are as evil as him. Christianity, for example, makes it clear that your sins have all been paid for. The pity is that we don't believe it.
Nah, SackO, somebody who said, "Seriously, this discussion can involve many many psycological and sociological factors.", just got me started is all.
Thanks!
Thanks!
If you're going to be that hard on Vader, I pity poor sf.
hey, i'm not the one who sodomized him...
hey, i'm not the one who sodomized him...
why are the tractor beam controls for the death star on some little island in the middle of a giant canyon in the Death Star? who designed that place? Is tractor beam control operator the most dangerous job since there's not even a guardrail? And where the hell is OSHA to protect worker safety?
Secondly, if they're so technologically advanced, why couldn't the rebels just email or ftp a zipped copy of the death star plans to Alderaan? In a world where people travel faster than light, and there is a republic of thousands of worlds, they don't have some kind of computer network, or giant internet? Instead they have to put the files onto some droid and have him MANUALLY transport the plans? no way!
Secondly, if they're so technologically advanced, why couldn't the rebels just email or ftp a zipped copy of the death star plans to Alderaan? In a world where people travel faster than light, and there is a republic of thousands of worlds, they don't have some kind of computer network, or giant internet? Instead they have to put the files onto some droid and have him MANUALLY transport the plans? no way!
kag
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Are there any book of episode 2, 3, 6, 7 and 8 ??
I have the Trilogy on VHS but I haven't bought EP1:TPM yet... and I know there won't be any 6, 7 and 8 because George will be too old by the time they are done with 2 and 3...
I have the Trilogy on VHS but I haven't bought EP1:TPM yet... and I know there won't be any 6, 7 and 8 because George will be too old by the time they are done with 2 and 3...
UberNeuman
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There won't be a 7, 8, or 9 because George doesn't want to do them now. Back around the time Empire came out, he had a nine movie plan in mind, but he must have relized that after part 6 (Jedi) that the story was told and there wasn't anything left to do...
With Jedi, it was a faint re-tread of the first film, so why make 6, 7, and 9... Of course, he likes the money rolling in, so I wouldn't be too shocked if five or ten years from now George proclaims that he's ready to do those last three films...
With Jedi, it was a faint re-tread of the first film, so why make 6, 7, and 9... Of course, he likes the money rolling in, so I wouldn't be too shocked if five or ten years from now George proclaims that he's ready to do those last three films...
Woohoo! A StarWars discussion!
The Vader redemption - The entire 6 movie story is the fall and redemption of Vader. it is to say that in the end EVERYONE can have good in them and redeem themselves. I'm sure it involved true sorrow for his past and forgiviness too.
<< why are the tractor beam controls for the death star on some little island in the middle of a giant canyon in the Death Star? >>
Those weren't the controls for the tractor beam, that was just the closest place to sabotage it - likely a power relay/switch that was essential in the Tractor Beam's operation. It would likely never be touched except in case of repairs and was thus in a poorly accessible vertical ventilation tunnel.
<< Secondly, if they're so technologically advanced, why couldn't the rebels just email or ftp a zipped copy of the death star plans to Alderaan? In a world where people travel faster than light, and there is a republic of thousands of worlds, they don't have some kind of computer network, or giant internet? >>
There is a giant network, but it would be completely Empire controlled and monitored. I'm sure that as soon as those plans were stolen the Galactic Network was being scanned and watched VERY closely.
The Vader redemption - The entire 6 movie story is the fall and redemption of Vader. it is to say that in the end EVERYONE can have good in them and redeem themselves. I'm sure it involved true sorrow for his past and forgiviness too.
<< why are the tractor beam controls for the death star on some little island in the middle of a giant canyon in the Death Star? >>
Those weren't the controls for the tractor beam, that was just the closest place to sabotage it - likely a power relay/switch that was essential in the Tractor Beam's operation. It would likely never be touched except in case of repairs and was thus in a poorly accessible vertical ventilation tunnel.
<< Secondly, if they're so technologically advanced, why couldn't the rebels just email or ftp a zipped copy of the death star plans to Alderaan? In a world where people travel faster than light, and there is a republic of thousands of worlds, they don't have some kind of computer network, or giant internet? >>
There is a giant network, but it would be completely Empire controlled and monitored. I'm sure that as soon as those plans were stolen the Galactic Network was being scanned and watched VERY closely.
I want to know why there is sound in space. You should be able to hear the X-wing fly by, there is no medium for the sound wave to propagate though.
Vader did something that was nearly impossible. Turn from the dark side and kill the Emperor. That was his salvation. It's not supposed to be as simple as deciding to be "nice" today and earning brownie points. He sacrificed himself for his son and the galaxy.
<< Are there any book of episode 2, 3, 6, 7 and 8 ??
I have the Trilogy on VHS but I haven't bought EP1:TPM yet... and I know there won't be any 6, 7 and 8 because George will be too old by the time they are done with 2 and 3... >>
there are tons of cool books that are "officially santioned" by Lucas... you can read up on Leia and Han's marriage, their children, the second wave of the empire... etc.. really cool
<< I want to know why there is sound in space. You should be able to hear the X-wing fly by, there is no medium for the sound wave to propagate though. >>
because it is cooler than no sound at all.... nice in movie-terms
They can travel faster than light, but cannot communicate faster than light. That is why messages get send out in message courier ship.
Boy you guys are missing the point bigtime.
Are you saying that Luke, Obi-wan, & Yoda should not have had the choice to forgive
Annakin at all? Because that's what it boils down to.
JHU, you might want to check out some of the follow-on books that expanded on the
ideas given in the movies. One of the themes (IIRC in Dark Force Rising)
was of how Leia had to deal with the idea that Darth was her father too, and how
she had not forgiven him for the things he had done.
dutchboy,
WTF did you get the idea that there were no consequences on Annakin for his actions?
He was locked into that black body armor as permanent life support for whatever
injuries he had received in the past, he sold his soul to be little more than
the Emporers personal lapdog, and he had bad breath to boot.
Star Wars wasn't about what did and didn't make Annakin Skywalker a forgivable character.
It was about what made Luke Skywalker grow up from a simple farm boy to the type of
hero that could still see good in the hearts of his enemies, when even the Jedi Masters
who trained him could not.
Remember, ultimately Star Wars was not meant to be high art. I was basically a movie
length version of those old saturday adventure serials that took the classic
"White Hats vs. Black Hats" message to a higher level. To claim it is just a Cash Cow
completely misses the point of how pop culture had influenced its creation, and how
much pop culture it has generated in return.
Are you saying that Luke, Obi-wan, & Yoda should not have had the choice to forgive
Annakin at all? Because that's what it boils down to.
JHU, you might want to check out some of the follow-on books that expanded on the
ideas given in the movies. One of the themes (IIRC in Dark Force Rising)
was of how Leia had to deal with the idea that Darth was her father too, and how
she had not forgiven him for the things he had done.
dutchboy,
WTF did you get the idea that there were no consequences on Annakin for his actions?
He was locked into that black body armor as permanent life support for whatever
injuries he had received in the past, he sold his soul to be little more than
the Emporers personal lapdog, and he had bad breath to boot.
Star Wars wasn't about what did and didn't make Annakin Skywalker a forgivable character.
It was about what made Luke Skywalker grow up from a simple farm boy to the type of
hero that could still see good in the hearts of his enemies, when even the Jedi Masters
who trained him could not.
Remember, ultimately Star Wars was not meant to be high art. I was basically a movie
length version of those old saturday adventure serials that took the classic
"White Hats vs. Black Hats" message to a higher level. To claim it is just a Cash Cow
completely misses the point of how pop culture had influenced its creation, and how
much pop culture it has generated in return.
<< I want to know why there is sound in space. You should be able to hear the X-wing fly by, there is no medium for the sound wave to propagate though. >>
Thats just pure movie license and entertainment value.
Moff Tarkin destroyed Aldaran (sp?). Remember, Vader said "This station is insignificant next to the power of the Force".
He didn't pull the trigger. Tarkin "You may Fire when Ready!" Did.
Vader was going to kill the Emperor anyways. He had been planning for years.
He didn't pull the trigger. Tarkin "You may Fire when Ready!" Did.
Vader was going to kill the Emperor anyways. He had been planning for years.
Torghn, you are slightly incorrect.
Even in space (especially within a solar systems boundaries) there is a "medium"
that passing objects travel thru. There is a limited amount of gaseous material
in the form of interstellar hydrogen present, there is the impact of solar "wind"
on any object that moves beyond a planetary magnetosphere, and there is reflection
of background cosmic radiation. While none of these can be heard by ordinary
ears, they can be picked up by sensitve enough instruments, and can be percieved
as "sound" if one was in a ship passing thru space.
This is assuming that the ship is moving at a very high rate of speed, which
is of course one of the basic premises of Sci-Fi storylines in the first place.
Hollywood carries the idea over to an over-dramatic degree, but the physics
behind the phenomena are sound (no pun intended).
Even in space (especially within a solar systems boundaries) there is a "medium"
that passing objects travel thru. There is a limited amount of gaseous material
in the form of interstellar hydrogen present, there is the impact of solar "wind"
on any object that moves beyond a planetary magnetosphere, and there is reflection
of background cosmic radiation. While none of these can be heard by ordinary
ears, they can be picked up by sensitve enough instruments, and can be percieved
as "sound" if one was in a ship passing thru space.
This is assuming that the ship is moving at a very high rate of speed, which
is of course one of the basic premises of Sci-Fi storylines in the first place.
Hollywood carries the idea over to an over-dramatic degree, but the physics
behind the phenomena are sound (no pun intended).
Geez, cmon guys...let's just say maybe in their galaxy, the rules are a little different from ours.
<< RagingBitch, how about I kill your mom, but spare your father's life? Can I be redeemed because I didn't kill your father? I didn't think so.
I have to agree with Jhu on this one. >>
This is Star Wars moron - not real life.
If you can't grasp the concept then go play with your G.I. Joes or something that isn't too advanced for you to understand.
Darth Vader. The focal turning point was, Darth's intent to kill his son, Luke, changed. He couldn't stomach the idea of taking his son's life, once he was faced with it. He must have saw what Luke was when he was once a time, innocent and of the Light. Then the realization came of his dark path he's been on for so long. so to the end the tyranny of the empire he had his hand in building, he did the most logical thing..
Kill the Emperor..
and forfeit his life..
redemption has nothing to do with quantity, you confuse that. it is the quality of transformation at the moment that defines the course of history.
The Emperor was Hitler, not Vader. Darth was just his right-hand man and expendable, nothing more.
Kill the Emperor..
and forfeit his life..
redemption has nothing to do with quantity, you confuse that. it is the quality of transformation at the moment that defines the course of history.
The Emperor was Hitler, not Vader. Darth was just his right-hand man and expendable, nothing more.
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