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My GF is putting in her two weeks' notice in about an hour....
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LoL you have no f'ing clue do you? Your first mistake is trying to raise capital for a business through personal finances. Based on your apparent problem with authority, I'm guessing you're pretty low on the totem pole, so you may just be waiting forever to start your businesses. The 2 main things investment bankers/venture capitalists look for in start-up companies is 1) a sound business plan and 2) confidence in management. You sir, convey neither. Hell, I'd arrange financing through my firm if it weren't for your assinine comments.
Corporate America is a game, one you obviously haven't mastered. Everyone's a b!tch at some point in life, you'll just be one longer than most.
Good luck in your future endeavours.
Chiz
MainFramed
Diamond Member
😀
whew, its gettting a little rough in here!
Michael, congrats to you and your gf...I think you seem to realize that there is a line between adapting to your work environment and recognizing a horrible corporate culture. that place sounds rather nasty. :|
I hope that she survives the day ok. From what you have said, I too am scared to hear of some appaling actions on their part.
Anyway, a new job is starting, and new opportunities. YAY! 🙂
Michael, congrats to you and your gf...I think you seem to realize that there is a line between adapting to your work environment and recognizing a horrible corporate culture. that place sounds rather nasty. :|
I hope that she survives the day ok. From what you have said, I too am scared to hear of some appaling actions on their part.
Anyway, a new job is starting, and new opportunities. YAY! 🙂
I think you spend a little too much time in big business and in the big city. Starting up a consulting/programming company out of your own home or small office doesn't require the financial assistance of a venture capitalist. It requires a solid work ethic and a desire to succeed. I doubt many of the self employed people on this board ever went through an investment banker to start their businesses. They probably worked full time to pay the bills, then put in double time to set up their own business and build their reputation. Once their own business was hopping, they cut the umbilical cord of servitude.
BoberFett
Lifer
I haven't been low on the totem pole for years. At my current company, and at the last company I was at for 6 years, I worked right beside the president. My problem with both companies was the way they're run, and I'm only willing to put up with that as long as it's a stepping stone to where I actually want to go.
I guess if you want the company you started with your sweat and tears to be owned by investment bankers/venture capitalists, then by all means go right ahead. I'll run my business myself. I prefer the future of any business I own to be controlled by me and my ideas, not the need for short term capital turnaround. Investors aren't interested in long term results, I am.
The reason I have no confidence in management is because most managers are incompetent, and got their position not through wise decisions, or even through hard work, but through kissing executive ass.
Good luck to you as well. I hope you get to where you want to go, even though I have no desire to go there myself.
PeeluckyDuckee
Diamond Member
Congrats on her decision. Take a stand, be yourself. Regardless of whether you have what it takes to make it up the ladder, its how you get there that makes it meaningful and earns you the respect.
Performance these days doesn't seem to count much in one's career. Its who's ass you kiss best and whether you're *in* with the group
Performance these days doesn't seem to count much in one's career. Its who's ass you kiss best and whether you're *in* with the group
This thread sure degenerated into a I am smarter than you thing so here is my words on this.
I have worked for corporations and have been self employeed so I have been at both ends of the fence.
What happens in corporate management is that a person will not promote a person that is as smart or smarter than himself or herself whatever the case may be because that person can and will become a threat to take the job of the person that promoted them.
Once in a while the person promoted has fooled the promoting person into thinking that they were pretty good but turns out that they were extremely bad at the job, the person promoting has made a large mistake which that they cannot admit to because a mistake like this is not tolerated within the Corp. So he brags up this person and someone else wants to steal him so he takes this person into their tier of management so incompetence has gained the most.
The other mistake is that the person that was promoted is extremely bright and takes over the job from the manager, but this person generally does not move up because of the threat seen by others in management
It is not good to be in lower management in a large corp. Tons of hours and taking work home will generally get you nowhere, there are exceptions to this probably but I have not seen any.
As to the person saying that you need all kinds of finincing to start your own business, you dont know what you are talking about many small business have started and succeded with very little more than the talent and ambition of the person starting the business.
Women somehow become dedicated to a company no matter how they are treated and feel guilty when quitting, they want to give the management all kinds of things why they feel they have to quit.
I would never give notice of quiting, they do not deserve it, how much notice would they give you if they decided you were not needed? 10 minutes maybe if you are lucky. Remember the song "take this job and shove it" good words.
Bleep
I have worked for corporations and have been self employeed so I have been at both ends of the fence.
What happens in corporate management is that a person will not promote a person that is as smart or smarter than himself or herself whatever the case may be because that person can and will become a threat to take the job of the person that promoted them.
Once in a while the person promoted has fooled the promoting person into thinking that they were pretty good but turns out that they were extremely bad at the job, the person promoting has made a large mistake which that they cannot admit to because a mistake like this is not tolerated within the Corp. So he brags up this person and someone else wants to steal him so he takes this person into their tier of management so incompetence has gained the most.
The other mistake is that the person that was promoted is extremely bright and takes over the job from the manager, but this person generally does not move up because of the threat seen by others in management
It is not good to be in lower management in a large corp. Tons of hours and taking work home will generally get you nowhere, there are exceptions to this probably but I have not seen any.
As to the person saying that you need all kinds of finincing to start your own business, you dont know what you are talking about many small business have started and succeded with very little more than the talent and ambition of the person starting the business.
Women somehow become dedicated to a company no matter how they are treated and feel guilty when quitting, they want to give the management all kinds of things why they feel they have to quit.
I would never give notice of quiting, they do not deserve it, how much notice would they give you if they decided you were not needed? 10 minutes maybe if you are lucky. Remember the song "take this job and shove it" good words.
Bleep
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Yes, she already has another job, starting 8 Jan 2003. 🙂
This has been a long time coming. She's been passed over for promotion due to the fact that she won't go out and drink with everyone after work (including the management who aren't supposed to be socializing with the peons!) and refuses to kiss the collective ass of those who have been w/the company LESS time and know LESS than she does.
After helping her tailor her resumes/dress for interviews (this was her first "real job"....) and many, MANY months of being turned down (not hired) she finally got a second, then a third interview. Then she got "The Call." HIRED.
She went last Thursday to do the pre-employment paperwork, the pee test and all that jazz. 100% done and she's hired. 😀
So, she spent last night typing up her resignation letter. It would've taken me 30 seconds...but she's all nervous since this is the first real job that she's actually quit...as opposed to getting laid off or fired.
I'm very proud of her. She's done well. By leaving now, she's really sticking it to them too. The branch manager was promoted and transferred out last week. So, the two asst managers (this is a bank) have been trying to fill in. They are already TWO people short due to one person got fired and the other one is on maternity leave. Plus, it's the very end of the year...a busy time for financial institutions. I say turnabout is fair play. 😎
Her new job will pay her about $50 a month LESS, but in return, she gets every Sunday off, PLUS she knows her daily schedule one month in advance as opposed to two days in advance at the current job.
I wanted to share this w/you folks. A lot of the stresses we've gone thru have been b/c of her job. Today is a big day for me too. 🙂
GOOD LUCK MANG
MichaelD
Lifer
OK, she didn't get a chance to drop the papers until about 1730...they were very busy. So I was all knotted up worrying for nothing...well, kinda.
The two Asst Asswipes...er, managers both said:
The GF said:
And that was that. She really couldn't say much more, as she was still at work when we talked. I'll find out the rest tonight.
Thanks for all the kind words. 🙂
The two Asst Asswipes...er, managers both said:
The GF said:
And that was that. She really couldn't say much more, as she was still at work when we talked. I'll find out the rest tonight.
Thanks for all the kind words. 🙂
Amen to that, Bob! After many, many years of corporate life, I refused to do just that. Hard work never paid off for me. I did O.K., but not great. By hard work, I was dedicated, on call 24x7, etc. During big projects, I would be in at 4:00 A.M. coding like a MoFo. Unfortunately, because I couldn't kiss azz, the end arrived for me. Happily, I accepted a severance package equal to a little over 10 months of pay and walked out the door that day.
Maybe integrity and hard work won't always land you a promotion, but at least you have your morals and the ability to utilize your commen sense not to get wrapped up in some of the corporate games just to get ahead. No thanks!
Heheh nice 🙂 Is she giving 2 weeks or is she done as of COB? She shoulda at least put in after Jan. 1...a few extra days of holiday pay woulda been nice 🙂
As for those wannabe SOHO entrepreneur's out there. I was giving an example of what my firm does. Yeah, you don't need venture capital money to start a business, but you're either hella stupid or hella brave to be putting your own capital out there. There's financing for every sized business, as most banks offer entry-level small business loans. Fronting your own capital means you've got skin in the game as a sole proprietorship, which in tax law means if your business goes under, creditors can go after your PERSONAL HOLDINGS . Now of course, if you set up financing (even $5,000) and set up an S-Corp, the extent of your losses would be the S-Corp's assets. You would be an employee, but hell, you get benefits and a salary that you set for yourself.
Considering 1 in 5 businesses fail each year, which do you think is the safer route?
Chiz
What does one put in a resignation letter? Why do people even write resignation letters? I just quit my job last week (I was making $11.50/hr and the new job I found is starting me out at $18/hr 🙂 )...anyways, I just walked into the office and told him the next day was going to be my last day. He shook my hand and said his pleasantries...no hard feelings.
Then I called in sick the next day. 😀
Then I called in sick the next day. 😀
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