My Final Non-64 Bit Rig

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Penth
Yeah, I don't get why you want to buy outdated tech when you can have something so much better for not much more. Unless this is about fulfilling your fantasy of 'always wanting an Athlon XP'

No you could build a 939 setup cheaper than he's priced a old arse A XP. Why? AGP 6600GT cards cost more.

Look :Q
AMD Athlon 64 3000+ 512K 90nm (939) $134.00
MSI K8N NEO4-F $85
EVGA PCIe nVIDIA GeForce 6600GT $159
Samsung 400MHz 512MB PC3200 DDR DIMM $49.98 (i would change this too)
Thermaltake 420W PSU 20/24-pin ATX 2.0 $58.98 ( this too, NEVER buy thermaltake anything)

Anyway total = $487 vs $549.90 USD for a POS Athlon XP setup.
:| OP you nuts!!!

 

[Penth]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Penth
Yeah, I don't get why you want to buy outdated tech when you can have something so much better for not much more. Unless this is about fulfilling your fantasy of 'always wanting an Athlon XP'

No you could build a 939 setup cheaper than he's priced a old arse A XP. Why? AGP 6600GT cards cost more.

Look :Q
AMD Athlon 64 3000+ 512K 90nm (939) $134.00
MSI K8N NEO4-F $85
EVGA PCIe nVIDIA GeForce 6600GT $159
Samsung 400MHz 512MB PC3200 DDR DIMM $49.98 (i would change this too)
Thermaltake 420W PSU 20/24-pin ATX 2.0 $58.98 ( this too, NEVER buy thermaltake anything)

Anyway total = $487 vs $549.90 USD for a POS Athlon XP setup.
:| OP you nuts!!!

Zebo put more thought into his rig. I'd also change the ram and CPU but we were keeping with what you wanted a bit. Anyway, I don't even think $550 for an Athlon XP could be considered a budget rig. I'd have a hard time spending much more than that building an Athlon XP box.

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: flipkc

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: flipkc

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: flipkc
I don't shop online. Too risky. I'll do it when I get my own credit card (I've been using my mom's).

To be perfectly honest with you, if you don't shop online just give up. I use my mom's card all the time and have NEVER had any problems. Check the reseller ratings and only use sites recommended to you by users on here and you'll be fine. Just make sure she knows what you're buying so she can check her statement for any inaccuracies.

Edit: I say give up because you'll never find the best deal in a B&M store unless it's Black Friday.

Actually the store I'm buying my parts from has better prices then the stores online.

CanComputer

Being in Canada, the online statement isn't as true for you, but I wouldn't limit yourself to only B&M. Also, why not check out FS/T for some deals? Anything is better than what you have right now. I bet I could build you a budget non-64 system for a good $50 cheaper than you have AND have 1 gig of RAM.

I could too but I don't want a Sempron. Aren't they worse then Athlon XP?

If you could then why don't you? You have your heart set on a system that's a total waste of money and are refusing help. Putting the extra dollars into it now will make it last a good year longer.

I give up though, you can waste your own money as far as I'm concerned.

 

[flipkc]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Penth
Yeah, I don't get why you want to buy outdated tech when you can have something so much better for not much more. Unless this is about fulfilling your fantasy of 'always wanting an Athlon XP'

No you could build a 939 setup cheaper than he's priced a old arse A XP. Why? AGP 6600GT cards cost more.

Look :Q
AMD Athlon 64 3000+ 512K 90nm (939) $134.00
MSI K8N NEO4-F $85
EVGA PCIe nVIDIA GeForce 6600GT $159
Samsung 400MHz 512MB PC3200 DDR DIMM $49.98 (i would change this too)
Thermaltake 420W PSU 20/24-pin ATX 2.0 $58.98 ( this too, NEVER buy thermaltake anything)

Anyway total = $487 vs $549.90 USD for a POS Athlon XP setup.
:| OP you nuts!!!

First of all, I can ONLY get it it from www.cancomputer.com . Second of all, I'm in Canada which means Canadian prices. Your ignorance makes you look like a fool. I would have let you all know if I could buy online but I CAN'T.

 

[flipkc]

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: flipkc

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: flipkc

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: flipkc
I don't shop online. Too risky. I'll do it when I get my own credit card (I've been using my mom's).

To be perfectly honest with you, if you don't shop online just give up. I use my mom's card all the time and have NEVER had any problems. Check the reseller ratings and only use sites recommended to you by users on here and you'll be fine. Just make sure she knows what you're buying so she can check her statement for any inaccuracies.

Edit: I say give up because you'll never find the best deal in a B&M store unless it's Black Friday.

Actually the store I'm buying my parts from has better prices then the stores online.

CanComputer

Being in Canada, the online statement isn't as true for you, but I wouldn't limit yourself to only B&M. Also, why not check out FS/T for some deals? Anything is better than what you have right now. I bet I could build you a budget non-64 system for a good $50 cheaper than you have AND have 1 gig of RAM.

I could too but I don't want a Sempron. Aren't they worse then Athlon XP?

If you could then why don't you? You have your heart set on a system that's a total waste of money and are refusing help. Putting the extra dollars into it now will make it last a good year longer.

I give up though, you can waste your own money as far as I'm concerned.

You don't understand what situation I'm in. I only have $650. If I get a skt 939 rig, I can't get a 6600GT. And apparently there is a big difference between those and a NON GT 6600. If you could be more helpful and less judgemental it would be great.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: flipkc

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Penth
Yeah, I don't get why you want to buy outdated tech when you can have something so much better for not much more. Unless this is about fulfilling your fantasy of 'always wanting an Athlon XP'

No you could build a 939 setup cheaper than he's priced a old arse A XP. Why? AGP 6600GT cards cost more.

Look :Q
AMD Athlon 64 3000+ 512K 90nm (939) $134.00
MSI K8N NEO4-F $85
EVGA PCIe nVIDIA GeForce 6600GT $159
Samsung 400MHz 512MB PC3200 DDR DIMM $49.98 (i would change this too)
Thermaltake 420W PSU 20/24-pin ATX 2.0 $58.98 ( this too, NEVER buy thermaltake anything)

Anyway total = $487 vs $549.90 USD for a POS Athlon XP setup.
:| OP you nuts!!!

First of all, I can ONLY get it it from www.cancomputer.com . Second of all, I'm in Canada which means Canadian prices. Your ignorance makes you look like a fool. I would have let you all know if I could buy online but I CAN'T.

You're the one who priced in USD.

Subtotal: $549.90

Total - $630 CDN

I think we all know who's ignorant here.

 

[flipkc]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: flipkc

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Penth
Yeah, I don't get why you want to buy outdated tech when you can have something so much better for not much more. Unless this is about fulfilling your fantasy of 'always wanting an Athlon XP'

No you could build a 939 setup cheaper than he's priced a old arse A XP. Why? AGP 6600GT cards cost more.

Look :Q
AMD Athlon 64 3000+ 512K 90nm (939) $134.00
MSI K8N NEO4-F $85
EVGA PCIe nVIDIA GeForce 6600GT $159
Samsung 400MHz 512MB PC3200 DDR DIMM $49.98 (i would change this too)
Thermaltake 420W PSU 20/24-pin ATX 2.0 $58.98 ( this too, NEVER buy thermaltake anything)

Anyway total = $487 vs $549.90 USD for a POS Athlon XP setup.
:| OP you nuts!!!

First of all, I can ONLY get it it from www.cancomputer.com . Second of all, I'm in Canada which means Canadian prices. Your ignorance makes you look like a fool. I would have let you all know if I could buy online but I CAN'T.

You're the one who priced in USD.

Subtotal: $549.90

Total - $630 CDN

I think we all know who's ignorant here.

What are you talking about? CDN stands for Canadian and a subtotal is the total WITHOUT PST and GST provincial taxes.

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: flipkc
I could too but I don't want a Sempron. Aren't they worse then Athlon XP?

Boy you got no ideal. :roll:

A socket 754 Sempron will pretty much beat the crap out of a Athlon XP stock,but when you start overclocking them & they do OC very well then that little XP starts to look pretty sad.

Especialy when you can buy a 2600+ for about 99$ CDN and with it's onboard mem controller will pretty much beat ANY Athlon XP out there.

But like mechBgon & Zebo said it looks like you're pretty much made up your mind and even when proven otherwize you still dont listen. Oh well we tried.:disgust:

 

[flipkc]

Originally posted by: Budman

Originally posted by: flipkc
I could too but I don't want a Sempron. Aren't they worse then Athlon XP?

Boy you got no ideal. :roll:

A socket 754 Sempron will pretty much beat the crap out of a Athlon XP stock,but when you start overclocking them & they do OC very well then that little XP starts to look pretty sad.

Especialy when you can buy a 2600+ for about 99$ CDN and with it's onboard mem controller will pretty much beat ANY Athlon XP out there.

This is just for now. Look at my other topic to see what I have to say to all of you about my choices in parts for my next rig that I'm getting in a week.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: flipkc

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: flipkc

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Penth
Yeah, I don't get why you want to buy outdated tech when you can have something so much better for not much more. Unless this is about fulfilling your fantasy of 'always wanting an Athlon XP'

No you could build a 939 setup cheaper than he's priced a old arse A XP. Why? AGP 6600GT cards cost more.

Look :Q
AMD Athlon 64 3000+ 512K 90nm (939) $134.00
MSI K8N NEO4-F $85
EVGA PCIe nVIDIA GeForce 6600GT $159
Samsung 400MHz 512MB PC3200 DDR DIMM $49.98 (i would change this too)
Thermaltake 420W PSU 20/24-pin ATX 2.0 $58.98 ( this too, NEVER buy thermaltake anything)

Anyway total = $487 vs $549.90 USD for a POS Athlon XP setup.
:| OP you nuts!!!

First of all, I can ONLY get it it from www.cancomputer.com . Second of all, I'm in Canada which means Canadian prices. Your ignorance makes you look like a fool. I would have let you all know if I could buy online but I CAN'T.

You're the one who priced in USD.

Subtotal: $549.90

Total - $630 CDN

I think we all know who's ignorant here.

What are you talking about? CDN stands for Canadian and a subtotal is the total WITHOUT PST and GST provincial taxes.

Well put CDN next to both figures otherwise it looks like you converted from USD to CDN in total. Americans don't have these crazy taxes so it's unlikly the majority audiance will assume them.

Anyway like others I've tried in vain and feel like I'm wasting my time with a dude that wants a PC worse than my 10yr olds.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: flipkc
AMD Athlon XP 2600 (Barton) Skt 462 $124.98 $124.98
Samsung 400MHz 512MB PC3200 DDR DIMM $49.98 $49.98
MSI 8989 NX6600GT-VTD128 128MB VIVO AGP8x $255.98 $255.98
Thermaltake 420W PSU 20/24-pin ATX 2.0 $58.98 $58.98
Asus Athlon A7V8X-X $59.98 $59.98

Subtotal: $549.90

Total - $630 CDN

I have all the other necessities (Optical, Floppy, Sound Card, HD etc)

Hope you all like it! I'm confident with this setup .

dude, to be fair, a skt754 sempron would of been a better choice....yes its STILL ONLY 32Bit (amd removed the 64bit capability from these) and it would of provided much better 32bit performance than the skt462 Athlon XP's. plus it has a on die memory controller.

another stick of 512 wouldnt be too bad either, then u can keep it for when dual cores come out (AMD arent using DDR2 till next year) unless ur going to use intels DC cpus

put that thermaltake PSU away, you can get so much better for the money

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: flipkc

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: flipkc

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: flipkc
I don't shop online. Too risky. I'll do it when I get my own credit card (I've been using my mom's).

To be perfectly honest with you, if you don't shop online just give up. I use my mom's card all the time and have NEVER had any problems. Check the reseller ratings and only use sites recommended to you by users on here and you'll be fine. Just make sure she knows what you're buying so she can check her statement for any inaccuracies.

Edit: I say give up because you'll never find the best deal in a B&M store unless it's Black Friday.

Actually the store I'm buying my parts from has better prices then the stores online.

CanComputer

Being in Canada, the online statement isn't as true for you, but I wouldn't limit yourself to only B&M. Also, why not check out FS/T for some deals? Anything is better than what you have right now. I bet I could build you a budget non-64 system for a good $50 cheaper than you have AND have 1 gig of RAM.

I could too but I don't want a Sempron. Aren't they worse then Athlon XP?

the skt 462 semprons are just the same as Athlon XP's the skt 754 semprons are miles better, they get the Athlon64's great 32bit speed, and the on die memory controller...seriously if u want 32bit only rig, get the skt754 sempron 3100+

 

[flipkc]

Alright I'll go with a better setup. Thanks for all the support everyone.

 

[mechBgon]

flipkc, look at the game benchmarks I linked to up above, it shows Socket754 Sempron still being better than an AthlonXP where it counts. And if you're lucky, your fellow Canadian Kensai still has one for sale for about half what you were going to pay for the AthlonXP, although I forgot whether his have a heatsink or are OEM. Might look at that again.

 

[flipkc]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
flipkc, look at the game benchmarks I linked to up above, it shows Socket754 Sempron still being better than an AthlonXP where it counts. And if you're lucky, your fellow Canadian Kensai still has one for sale for about half what you were going to pay for the AthlonXP, although I forgot whether his have a heatsink or are OEM. Might look at that again.

That's okay I'll go with the AMD Athlon 64-bit based system.

 

[flipkc]

I wish Canada had those really cheap prices all of you are talking about.

 

[Turkey22]

Originally posted by: Budman

Originally posted by: flipkc
I could too but I don't want a Sempron. Aren't they worse then Athlon XP?

Boy you got no ideal. :roll:

A socket 754 Sempron will pretty much beat the crap out of a Athlon XP stock,but when you start overclocking them & they do OC very well then that little XP starts to look pretty sad.

Especialy when you can buy a 2600+ for about 99$ CDN and with it's onboard mem controller will pretty much beat ANY Athlon XP out there.

But like mechBgon & Zebo said it looks like you're pretty much made up your mind and even when proven otherwize you still dont listen. Oh well we tried.:disgust:

Uhh the older semprons are just repackaged Athlons and the newest semprons are crippled with 128 L2 cache. Honestly an A64 is the way to go. Not to mention you can just swap out the chip later for dual core you know.... Not being able to order online?!?!?
Not sure I see how thats even possible unless they dont ship to your area... Btw while the 6600gt is a nice card for now, gaming is going to be held back by processor and by the time you get a new computer it will have pciexpress and you wont even be able to carry over the video card. However you go with A64 with a 939 for basically the same price and get a pciexpress version of the gt and then like I said you only have to upgrade the proc.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: flipkc
I wish Canada had those really cheap prices all of you are talking about.

Thats not gonna happen since Canada has 15% sales tax. Realistically if you buy from cancomputer as you said, you can get A64 3000+ winchester, MSI 6600GT PCIe, MSI Neo4-F motherboard, 512mb DDR samsung ram and same PSU for $100 more after taxes and everything. BUT trust me, If i could spend $100 anywhere, i'd buy a new HDD. My 80gb 7200 rpm WD died and I am using 5400 rpm 40gb maxtor and I want to KILL MYSELF. It literally is 1000x slower in windows, there is lag beyond belief when doing any time of HDD related work. It used to take me like 20 seconds to load main screen in HL2 and about 10 seconds per "loading screen" in game. Not it takes about 2 min and at least 30-40 seconds respectively. XP takes 19 bars to load into desktop before took 6. Make sure to get 8mb cache one 7200 rpm drive. For every day "speed" feel, XP system with 7200rpm HDD will crush any A64 and 5400 rpm drive. Also given 6600GT, the difference between A64 3000+ and AXP 2600+ is minimal. Unless you have 6800GT or higher, A64 will bring you maybe 10-15% benefit with your graphics card.

Also guys....if you are going to recommend something to this guy, consider that it's like you have $440 US budget before taxes to work with. Why? Because you have to pay tax when you buy online in Canada and the exchange rate is roughly 1.255.

 

[KayKay]

ALL PRICES FROM CANCOMPUTER.COM
MSI Neo4-F $115
Winchester 3000+ $180
Samsung DDR400 512 MB $50
MSI 6600GT PCI-E $235
Thermaltake 420W ATX 2.0 PSU $59

subtotal before tax: $639 CDN

 

[Gadzookie]

Case: Aspire X-Dreamer II (with 350W PSU) - $52
for socket 754 you will be fine with a cheap powersupply from the case

CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3400+ Retail - $220
Motherboard: MSI K8T Neo-FSR - $69

CORSAIR ValueSelect 1GB (2 x 512MB) DDR 400 (PC 3200) - Retail 82.55

Nvidia 6600gt 180.00 make sure you get the AGP version if your going socket 754 !

Total 603.05 from newegg.com

 

[IntegraGSR]

Originally posted by: Gadzookie
Case: Aspire X-Dreamer II (with 350W PSU) - $52
for socket 754 you will be fine with a cheap powersupply from the case

CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3400+ Retail - $220
Motherboard: MSI K8T Neo-FSR - $69

CORSAIR ValueSelect 1GB (2 x 512MB) DDR 400 (PC 3200) - Retail 82.55

Nvidia 6600gt 180.00 make sure you get the AGP version if your going socket 754 !

Total 603.05 from newegg.com

lol he lives in canada, and only wants to buy from cancomputer.com... this has been mentioned a bunch of times in the thread so far

 

[MDE]

MSI K8N Neo4-F- $115
Athlon 64 3000+- $180 (site doesn't say whether or not it's retail or OEM)
2x 512MB Samsung PC3200- $100
MSI 6600GT- $235
420W Enermax PSU- $72
Total- $702 CDN

I'd save a couple extra bucks and get a quality setup like this one, or get one stick of RAM now and another later.

 

[the wombat]

Why go nforce4 if youre not looking to future proof....might as well go socket 939 nforce3. You get the performance of a 939 cpu and is somewhat cheaper than nforce4. I would do that if, like you said, you are buying a completely new system soon.

 

[MDE]

Originally posted by: the wombat
Why go nforce4 if youre not looking to future proof....might as well go socket 939 nforce3. You get the performance of a 939 cpu and is somewhat cheaper than nforce4. I would do that if, like you said, you are buying a completely new system soon.

AGP 6600GTs are more expensive than PCIe, offsetting the nF3\nF4 price difference.

 

[flipkc]

Argh...this is so hard. I can get all the parts you guys are talking about for CHEAP (and have the same quality) in the Philippines. Apparently they have really good technology in the main city (Manila) where I will be living. I'll just upgrade to an even better PC there since there is nothing else to buy. My Mom met a new Dad which is VERY rich in the Philippines so I can ALWAYS upgrade there. I really don't want to get a half-*** computer here that can BARELY run games at high quality. My 2800+ can't be that bad?! (I decided to make the 9$ upgrade ).