My experience. UPDATE: 9500 mod successful, but...

jaybee

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I bought a Sapphire 128MB 9500 to attempt the famous resistor mod. Well, once I pulled the hsf I realized what I was in for -- the resistors and solder points are tiny! Of course I had no luck even desoldering the little bastard. I dug up my half-used window defogger kit to try the cheap method, but the paint had gummed up beyond use. What the heck, why not give the old pencil trick a shot. I tried to connect points 1&2 (according to the xbitlabs diagram) with a mechanical pencil, but when I attempted the bios flash I had no luck. Big surprise. What's worse, 3dmark crapped out halfway through.

Oops! I figured my hamhanded handling of the board had fouled something up. Board not oc'ed yet btw. I didn't restore the 9500 bios at this point, because I had another thought in my head -- what if it's heat related? I opened the window to cool my room down and tried some more testing -- no problems. Then tonight, I ran the unit up to about 320/290 and settled in for some Madden 2003. Strange texture shimmering then odd shadows that should not be there ruined my experience.

Remembering the gummy yellow TIM I scraped off the core -- and hearing about people using shims, or even removing the bracket -- I pulled my card for some more abuse. Pulling the hsf, I noticed that there seemed to be no, or almost no, contact with the core. The only compound (AS3) on the hsf had balled up into a couple little droplets. I tried to yank the bracket ala digit-life (see the R300 roundup) but had no success (can't see how they managed it...).

Failing that, I grabbed a small piece of tin foil (got that idea from a post somewhere), folded it, folded it again, cut it to fit the core, and dropped it on top. Then I smeared a drop or two of AS3 on the hsf to cover the other side of the foil. Replaced the hsf, and, feeling confident, ran the core up to 340. Played a full game of Madden 2003 -- no artifacts whatsoever, in contrast to my previous experience.

In summary:
  • don't try to pull the resistor unless you are very skilled at soldering and have the right equipment.
  • be careful removing the power plug for the hsf -- it's easy to slip & yank one of the wires out :(
  • flashing the bios should allow a significant overclock
  • once you scrape off the yellow TIM, find some way of ensuring good contact between the core and hsf!
I don't feel like waiting for the soft9700 script, so tomorrow I'll grab a new window defogger kit and just paint those damn points together. I'm estimating maybe a 50% chance for successful (artifact-free) mod. I'll LYK how it works out.

jaybee

 

Slappy00

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Brave man Hope things work out for you :)

RElatedly Ive been pondering getting a new fan and heatsinks for my 9700pro so i can get that 400core speed (i can only get 360 so far) any places for good fans and ram heatsinks?

Also on the back of tha card is a heat plate and i would liketo mod that so theres better heat dissipation... any ideas?

 

Lizardman

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slappy I would just get an ram sink or some small heatsink and put it on that heatspreader on the back of the card. I read somewhere that this area got to over 120 deg F. I think the stock cooler is fine just mod the shim. The best way to do this is simply get some medium grit sandpaper and tape it to a small block or piece of glass and sand the shim down to the correct height. This way you still have the shim to protect the core and you dont need a new heatsink. Give it a try and tell me how it goes.
 

Slappy00

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waht about using a different thermal interface... i heard the TIM that comes is apos... i have some artic silver that i would klike to use: good idea? or bad idea?

 

Killrose

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Originally posted by: Slappy00
waht about using a different thermal interface... i heard the TIM that comes is apos... i have some artic silver that i would klike to use: good idea? or bad idea?

That's the problem. The shim was engineered to work with the TIM type of thermal interface, using thin thermal solutions like ASIII won't work because they apply to thinly to make contact between the GPU and h/s fan unit.

I ended up using the Defogger solution because while soldering my resistor it dissapeared on me. Luckily my card is stable and artifact free, but I am not able to reach Pro speeds with my memory. I ended-up just re-using the TIM because I was not sure if my card would work or not and I have'nt bothered replacing it. But even at that i'm running 330 core/295 mem which is not too shabby.

 

hollowman

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Originally posted by: Dm301
Originally posted by: hovenas
Eagerly awaiting the Soft9700 mod...

I thought that was out already... maybe not, but I heard it was...

if the software doesn't work, you can always try the hardware mod.

many people are claiming the conductive glue/defogger kit works without soldering. so... good luck to you guys. =)
 

jaybee

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On my way out to grab another defogger kit. With tin foil as my TIM, I ran up to 340 core, haven't tried higher.

jaybee
 

jaybee

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Grabbed another defogger kit today, pulled out my 9500, pulled the hsf, applied the paint to the 1-2 area, and dropped it back in the pc. No luck flashing the bios, id remains 4144. Removed the card again, pulled the hsf (for the 6th time or so), and checked my work. I had connected 1 to 2, but to 3 as well. Removed the paint & reconnected. 1 is connected to 2 but nothing else. 3 is ground btw.

After putting everything back together (again), I flashed the bios to 97npwarp.bin, reloaded the drivers, and rebooted. What do I get? Horrible artifacting in 2D, 3dmark won't complete test 1. So I figure I must have blown something in all the handling. ID is 4e44 at this point. Pull the card, pull hsf, make new foil shim & reapply AS3 -- maybe heat is causing artifacts again. Reflash bios, reload drivers, etc... eventually I get a system that loads Windows without artifacts.

3dmark is running now; it's in 9700 mode, rather than 9500 -- my 1600x1200 score is about 1600 points higher. However, every 3d app has bad artifacting. Not overclocked btw. I think my 2D artifacts were solved by reflashing and reloading the drivers. I don't think anything is going to solve my 3D artifacting; it looks like I, like many others, will have to go back to 9500 mode.

I think many or most of the 9500 chips have defects that make them unsuitable for 9700s. I've tried several bioses - 97npwarp, 97npsap, 97npherc. Artifacts with all. The only drivers I've tried, though, are the cd version & the latest off the ATI site. Has anyone had success with alternate drivers? I'll try loading a different version if someone can point me in the right direction. I think, though, that the 9500 may be doomed (for the most part) to be just that.

jaybee
 

rogue1979

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I had the same results with mine, flashed back to the old 9500 bios and 3D artifacting is gone. Mine overclocked to 390/630 stock cooling. I do believe that a large percentage of the 9500 R300 cores have been down binned because they wouldn't run properly in 8 pipeline mode.
 

jaybee

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Originally posted by: rogue1979
I had the same results with mine, flashed back to the old 9500 bios and 3D artifacting is gone. Mine overclocked to 390/630 stock cooling. I do believe that a large percentage of the 9500 R300 cores have been down binned because they wouldn't run properly in 8 pipeline mode.

What bios & drivers are you running? I was able to oc great with the 9700 bios and id 4144 (meaning overclockable 9500), but with the oc bios (95np128.bin), I get artifacts with powerstrip or rage3d tweak when overclocking. It looks like a heat problem, but I should have a much better connection between the hsf and core now than before.

jaybee

PS I'm assuming I can't oc with the original 9500 bios.
 

rogue1979

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I flashed back to the stock Sapphire 9500 bios and am running Catalyst 2.5 with DirectX8.1.