My Experience At An Employment Agency

[Ornery]

Savannah, South's "Hostess City" Employment, Housing Sales Up

• A "small town" city with European sophistication, Savannah is reporting more jobs and greater home sales, largely due to its reputation as the "Hostess of the South."
  
  "For most Savannah locations, the real estate market has been very strong due to the sustained low interest mortgage rates. Average days on market for listed property is approximately five months, with two exceptions: (1) Wilmington Island homes continue to be a "hot market," with most homes under contract within 30 days, and (2) Homes priced under $100,000 are also selling very quickly. New construction remains strong...

 

[Ornery]

"Basically, what you're saying is that in order to get a job, folks will have to settle for less, and that's a strong economy."

I said exactly what I meant. There are jobs out there for people willing to work. It became obvious during my visit, that many are NOT willing to work. Overpriced union labor jobs are disappearing or gone. I've known a few people who were paid FAR more than their labor was worth, due to insane union wages. After their companies went out of business, they were dumbfounded to find that nobody else was willing to pay $20.00 per hour, for them to stand around with their thumb up their ass all day. Who'd a thunk it?

Unlike half the people on this board, I don't feel that anyone owes me a job, minimum wage, or benefits. What wages I earn, and benefits I receive are negotiated between my employer and myself. If we can't come to an agreement, I'll simply work for myself, or someone else. What a concept!

 

[Tom]

"Not sure if it's the schools responsibility to do this but they would be a welcome partner."

IMO, this is EXACTLY what schools should be teaching. They should be preparing kids to be self sufficient, and contributing members of society. I also think they ought to teach kids how to be smart consumers. The two largest purchases a person will ever make, real estate and automobiles, is NEVER even touched on! "


All of that stuff was taught to one degree or another when I went to public schools here in Columbus (1962-1974), you mean it isn't taught anymore ?

 

[Ornery]

That's when I attended school, but the closest we came to learning how to be smart consumers, was being taught how to manage a checkbook.

Vocational education was going strong, though. That has since fallen out of favor. It should have become more available, instead of being shuffled into the background. Guidance counselors avoid routing kids toward Vo-Ed, because it's not politically correct to imply that a student is not college oriented. Now, after graduating, they not only don't go to college, but they have zero skills to boot!

 

[zephyrprime]

I got an email the other day from an employment agency with a "job oppertunity"

So was this agency a private company? I might be interested in getting help from a similiar agency so I'd like more information.

 

[Zebo]

I milked unemployment for the full 9 months it was available.

LOL why does'nt this suprise me. First TCsenter on SS now this (that I've seen)... Ya I know it's called social "insurance" but one should live by what they preach. hippocritters all yous.

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime

I got an email the other day from an employment agency with a "job oppertunity"

So was this agency a private company? I might be interested in getting help from a similiar agency so I'd like more information.

I don't know a thing about the agency. I asked her where she got my name, and she said she found it on the Web. I never really thought about using an employment agency. Certainly wouldn't be my first choice, but you never know what might come of it.

Originally posted by: Zebo

I milked unemployment for the full 9 months it was available.

LOL why does'nt this suprise me. First TCsenter on SS now this (that I've seen)... Ya I know it's called social "insurance" but one should live by what they preach. hippocritters all yous.

It's calle unemployment insurance, and my former employer paid the premium for it for 25 fvcking years, moron.

After working 55 hours a week, 50 weeks per year for 25 years, watching mutherfvckers on your side of the isle milk the system with my hard earned tax money, I finally gave up bitching about it. I'm going to do my damnedest over the next twenty five years, to put a fraction of those dues back in MY pocket!

 

[Ferocious]

This is what happens when unions and labor laws become weaker.

The middle class suffers.

If people have no real voice.....there can be no strong middle class. It has never happened and probably never will.

 

[Zebo]

It's calle unemployment insurance, and my former employer paid the premium for it for 25 fvcking years, moron.
Call it whatever the fusk you want it's welfare you moron. Worse yet you would'nt even have had that w/o "mutherfvckers on my side of the isle" forceing our noble employers to pay it.

After working 55 hours a week, 50 weeks per year for 25 years, watching mutherfvckers on your side of the isle milk the system with my hard earned tax money, never seen any of my liberal friends take one ounce of governemnt help, OTOH, I've seen tons of trailor park ditto monkeys drawing welfare/unemployment/farm aid/ etc (usually blaming liberals high taxes and blacks for thier predicament) also see big conservative boys like halliburton etal sucking the governemnt tit.
I finally gave up bitching about it. I'm going to do my damnedest over the next twenty five years, to put a fraction of those dues back in MY pocket! That's a damn shame. Well at least vote dem so you get more money

 

[zephyrprime]

I don't know a thing about the agency. I asked her where she got my name, and she said she found it on the Web. I never really thought about using an employment agency. Certainly wouldn't be my first choice, but you never know what might come of it.

I had some write me offerring a job who also got my name off the web from a site I never been to or heard of. The job turned out to be some sort of multi-level marketing thing.

 

[Zebo]

For the record- I'll glady take a few freeloaders like Ornery, and help the others still find a way to be productive contributors of society, rather than throw the safety net away completely and miss the other 99% who appreciate it being there.

Also I admit I'm being a crass bastard but someitmes you got to fight fire with fire. The conservatives talk all the bs they can, but some members of society simply dont need all thier billions while others are living in sqauler. It MUST be redistributed otherwise the lower deciles become impoverished, and the social fabric of society falls apart like a cheap over-bleached tee-shirt. The social security net provides enough for sustenance, so get a clue if you think those claiming it are living the high life, because they dont. Its a demeaning and self-destructive process for many, especially for middle aged men, who struggle to find employment, even though they have great experience and qualifications like Ornery.

 

[Ornery]

If we could just pound employers for a few more taxes, we could all work 4 hour days, and retire at 45 years old... yeah, that's the ticket. Damn employers are too damn cheap to pay any more, though. Bastards!

I've always suspected it was the damn trailer park trash sucking up all the welfare. Guess you just confirmed it.

Forget any more help from this chump. I've joined the dark side. From here on out I'm stuffing my pockets with everything I can get. I halfheartedly considered starting my own business, but my wife is against the idea, due to the outrageous amount of paperwork, among other things. Well, whether I start one for myself or not, I for damn sure won't be hiring anybody, knowing how little the effort is appreciated by the average worker.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Zebo
For the record- I'll glady take a few freeloaders like Ornery, and help the others still find a way to be productive contributors of society, rather than throw the safety net away completely and miss the other 99% who appreciate it being there.

Also I admit I'm being a crass bastard but someitmes you got to fight fire with fire. The conservatives talk all the bs they can, but some members of society simply dont need all thier billions while others are living in sqauler. It MUST be redistributed otherwise the lower deciles become impoverished, and the social fabric of society falls apart like a cheap over-bleached tee-shirt. The social security net provides enough for sustenance, so get a clue if you think those claiming it are living the high life, because they dont. Its a demeaning and self-destructive process for many, especially for middle aged men, who struggle to find employment, even though they have great experience and qualifications like Ornery.

Originally posted by: Ornery
If we could just pound employers for a few more taxes, we could all work 4 hour days, and retire at 45 years old... yeah, that's the ticket. Damn employers are too damn cheap to pay any more, though. Bastards!

I've always suspected it was the damn trailer park trash sucking up all the welfare. Guess you just confirmed it.

Forget any more help from this chump. I've joined the dark side. From here on out I'm stuffing my pockets with everything I can get. I halfheartedly considered starting my own business, but my wife is against the idea, due to the outrageous amount of paperwork, among other things. Well, whether I start one for myself or not, I for damn sure won't be hiring anybody, knowing how little the effort is appreciated by the average worker.

You sure you'd prefer a whiner like that, Zebo???

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: ScottyB
Construction is way, way down. My dad sells electrical wholesale to contractors, electricians, etc, etc and they are all bitching about the low amount of work.

Funny - The company my wife works for is an Electrical supply wholesaler. They had a record year last year in terms of Sales figures and Profit. Ofcourse it helped that the company I work for(our office anyway) helped them with that because we also had record years in sales numbers and profit.
Also funny that a freind of mine has an Electrical company(New Residential mainly) and he has had to turn down work for 3 straight years because he couldn't keep up.

Meh - I suppose it's the angle you look at things from though.

CkG

 

[Moonbeam]

I think Ornery is having growing pains. He hasn't been able to adjust his self righteous hard nosed idealized notion of his ego with the reality of being a bumb who lives off the larder of others. Why don't you retrain your lazy ass and work of Star Wars. Do something useful for your country. That girl's bitching at the welfare office, oh sorry, unemployment office, doesn't hold a candle to you.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: ScottyB
Construction is way, way down. My dad sells electrical wholesale to contractors, electricians, etc, etc and they are all bitching about the low amount of work.

Funny - The company my wife works for is an Electrical supply wholesaler. They had a record year last year in terms of Sales figures and Profit. Ofcourse it helped that the company I work for(our office anyway) helped them with that because we also had record years in sales numbers and profit.
Also funny that a freind of mine has an Electrical company(New Residential mainly) and he has had to turn down work for 3 straight years because he couldn't keep up.

Meh - I suppose it's the angle you look at things from though.

CkG

Gee, another CAD post poo pooing the people of Michigan that are obviously not doing as well as the almighty State Of Iowa.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: ScottyB
Construction is way, way down. My dad sells electrical wholesale to contractors, electricians, etc, etc and they are all bitching about the low amount of work.

Funny - The company my wife works for is an Electrical supply wholesaler. They had a record year last year in terms of Sales figures and Profit. Ofcourse it helped that the company I work for(our office anyway) helped them with that because we also had record years in sales numbers and profit.
Also funny that a freind of mine has an Electrical company(New Residential mainly) and he has had to turn down work for 3 straight years because he couldn't keep up.

Meh - I suppose it's the angle you look at things from though.

CkG

Even more amazing is the fact that I work for a company that makes something that electrical wholesale suppliers need and that aspect of business is doing very very well. At one point we were ever backordered for the first time in like 5 years.

edit, i cant seem to type again today :-(

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: ScottyB
Construction is way, way down. My dad sells electrical wholesale to contractors, electricians, etc, etc and they are all bitching about the low amount of work.

Funny - The company my wife works for is an Electrical supply wholesaler. They had a record year last year in terms of Sales figures and Profit. Ofcourse it helped that the company I work for(our office anyway) helped them with that because we also had record years in sales numbers and profit.
Also funny that a freind of mine has an Electrical company(New Residential mainly) and he has had to turn down work for 3 straight years because he couldn't keep up.

Meh - I suppose it's the angle you look at things from though.

CkG

Gee, another CAD post poo pooing the people of Michigan that are obviously not doing as well as the almighty State Of Iowa.

Ofcourse what dave doesn't realize is that the majority of our work was done out of state.....but I guess those FACTS don't mean much when dave tries to say the sky has fallen.

Oh dave - did you ever get that *revised* Atlanta unemployment rate number I asked for?

CkG

 

[sMiLeYz]

He said their lowest priced job is several million dollars, they're six weeks behind, and are scheduled out to mid 2005! They do fancy cabinetry and millwork for 100 million dollar homes!

Oh great! That's it, I'm going to take that Computer science degree I spent 35,000$ on earning, wipe my ass with it, and go do some woodwork for rich people!
Thank god for Bush's great economic recovery!

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: leeboy

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

heartsurgeon lose his job?

Heh...you wish..
I own my own corporation, i own a Heart Center, i don't work for anybody......

The irony of someone without a heart owning a heart center is just spendid

ever consider that he's put himself through hell and back to put together his life's work: saving people's lives; and that without the incentive to make more money all that work would have been pointless, as would investment capital in his work, thus many more people would be dead today?

how do you tell a man how important he is to society, as it's SURE that we aren't all equal?

i suggest the market system, as it instantly transfers importance and motivation to be important without need for wasteful government oversight;

who knows better what we need more: the people who demand what they want directly, or the government who is politically motivated?

hippocritters all yous.

only if you disagree with the system as it is;

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

He said their lowest priced job is several million dollars, they're six weeks behind, and are scheduled out to mid 2005! They do fancy cabinetry and millwork for 100 million dollar homes!

Oh great! That's it, I'm going to take that Computer science degree I spent 35,000$ on earning, wipe my ass with it, and go do some woodwork for rich people!
Thank god for Bush's great economic recovery!

the fact that you have a degree is what you paid 35k for, being a programmer for life was never a very likely out-come; changing economic situations indicate you should train more or find another job. The appreciation is that you graduated, not necessarily what you graduated in.

you can probably become a teacher .

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I think Ornery is having growing pains. He hasn't been able to adjust his self righteous hard nosed idealized notion of his ego with the reality of being a bumb who lives off the larder of others. Why don't you retrain your lazy ass and work of Star Wars. Do something useful for your country. That girl's bitching at the welfare office, oh sorry, unemployment office, doesn't hold a candle to you.

No, no, that was the OLD me. I've metamorphosed into a new model citizen! I even voted for Al Sharpton a few weeks ago! We're goin' after the man. He ain't keepin' us down no more! Grrrr... er, I mean peace & love everybody!

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Ornery

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I think Ornery is having growing pains. He hasn't been able to adjust his self righteous hard nosed idealized notion of his ego with the reality of being a bum who lives off the larder of others. Why don't you retrain your lazy ass and work of Star Wars. Do something useful for your country. That girl's bitching at the welfare office, oh sorry, unemployment office, doesn't hold a candle to you.

No, no, that was the OLD me. I've metamorphosed into a new model citizen! I even voted for Al Sharpton a few weeks ago! We're goin' after the man. He ain't keepin' us down no more! Grrrr... er, I mean peace & love everybody!

I know how it is. I went through the same thing. Hang in there. When you love the world it loves you back. You will be OK. You are mean enough to see it through. I was too. I destroyed mercilessly and uncompromisingly all the doo doo I was taught. Being a liberal is like taking a world class dump of all the accumulated sh!t of the world. Hang in there and grunt. Relax that sphincter.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Ornery

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I think Ornery is having growing pains. He hasn't been able to adjust his self righteous hard nosed idealized notion of his ego with the reality of being a bum who lives off the larder of others. Why don't you retrain your lazy ass and work of Star Wars. Do something useful for your country. That girl's bitching at the welfare office, oh sorry, unemployment office, doesn't hold a candle to you.

No, no, that was the OLD me. I've metamorphosed into a new model citizen! I even voted for Al Sharpton a few weeks ago! We're goin' after the man. He ain't keepin' us down no more! Grrrr... er, I mean peace & love everybody!

I know how it is. I went through the same thing. Hang in there. When you love the world it loves you back. You will be OK. You are mean enough to see it through. I was too. I destroyed mercilessly and uncompromisingly all the doo doo I was taught. Being a liberal is like taking a world class dump of all the accumulated sh!t of the world. Hang in there and grunt. Relax that sphincter.

Ah - that's why s#!t flows from you so frequently...

CkG

 

[Ornery]

"The conservatives talk all the bs they can, but some members of society simply dont need all thier billions while others are living in sqauler. It MUST be redistributed otherwise the lower deciles become impoverished, and the social fabric of society falls apart like a cheap over-bleached tee-shirt."



Americans' Views on Taxes

• ...few Americans know how progressive the tax system is. More that six out of 10 (63 percent) think that low-income or middle-income people pay the highest percentage of their income in federal taxes. Only a quarter (25 percent) know that upper-income people actually pay the highest percentage. This misconception is likely why so many Americans (57 percent) think that high-income people don?t pay their fair share in taxes.

Who Are the Rich?

• Through their control of Congress, Democrats designed the tax code to make it an unfair system of economic plunder. Under their code, the harder you work and the more jobs you create, the more you are taxed. Under their code the bottom 50 percent pay only 5 percent of the government bill for services they are more likely to use." (Guess for whom these people are expected to vote out of gratitude.)
  
  As a result of this NSDP-rigged system, whenever the GOP tries to provide a fair shake for every taxpayer, the tax cut is "maliciously" pictured as a tax cut for the wealthy at the expense of the poor.
  
  "President Bush's 2001 tax cut was geared to help the middle class [saving an average family of four making $50,000 a year nearly 50 percent in taxes]," Kyl asked, "Are the Democrats right in arguing that tax cutting has favored the wealthy while leaving a disproportionate tax burden on everyone else?"

Why 'Soaking the Rich' Is Poor Policy

• Starting in 1995, Gov. George Pataki cut state income taxes by an average of 25% -- and revenues over the next five years rose 63% anyway. The state became increasingly dependent on taxpayers near the top of the income scale. By 2000, the 3% of New York State taxpayers earning over $200,000 generated over half of state personal income-tax receipts.
  
  While these were dream scenarios for progressive-taxation enthusiasts, they led to the fiscal nightmare these states are experiencing. In New York, revenue from capital gains dropped from roughly $3.7 billion to barely $1 billion in a couple of years. In California, taxes derived from capital gains and stock options plummeted from $18 billion to $8 billion in a single year.

How California came to the end of the tax-and-spend road.

• California?s tax revenue has been extremely volatile because the incomes of the very rich have been volatile. The state?s treasury did very well during the dot.com boom of the nineties, precisely because that boom put so much money into the hands of the richest people. Between capital gains on stock and incentive stock options, the state of California collected an unprecedented amount of revenue in 1999.

Who's Rich?

• One of the enduring political myths of our generation has been the claim that the rise of federal deficits during the 1980s resulted from President Ronald Reagan's "tax cuts for the rich."
  
  Tax rates were cut. Tax revenues were not. More tax revenue was collected during every year of the two Reagan administrations than had ever been collected in any previous year in the history of the country. Nor was this experience unique.
  
  When John F. Kennedy cut tax rates during the 1960s, tax revenues went up. The whole point was -- and is -- to encourage more economic activity, and more activity generates more tax revenues, even at lower rates. The same thing happened back in the 1920s.

WILL CONGRESS SINK THE BOAT BUSINESS?
by Mike Royko

• It seemed like a smart idea to Congress at the time. Soak the rich. Let fat cats pay more tax because they can afford it. And what better symbol of self-indulgent wealth than the Yacht? Yeah, look at those rich swells, in their fancy yachting whites, lounging in a harbor, guzzling gin and tonic while decent folk can't afford a rowboat.
  
  So last year Congress enacted a special ten-percent tax on certain luxury items, including boats that cost more than $100,000. They were in such a hurry to grandstand that they didn't bother to hold hearings, get opinions from the boating industry or talk to economists. If they had, they might have been told what would happen.
  
  Perhaps it didn't occur to them that somebody considering a $300,000 boat might say, "They want me to pay another $20,000 in federal taxes? Hey forget it. I'll buy a good used boat instead, or maybe I'll just charter one."
  
  A lot of potential boat buyers seem to have thought that way. Those creative minds in Congress wanted to show voters that they weren't afraid to cause some financial pain. And cause pain they have. But to the rich? Hardly. The super-rich already have their yachts or can buy them in another country.
  
  Apparently, Congress didn't know that boats are built by people. The bigger and more luxurious the boat, the more skill and time required. When the tax took effect right on top of a recession, consumers stopped buying and the luxury boat business sank.
  
  Boat companies had to lay off workers. The National Marine Manufacturers Association, the lobbying group for boat manufacturers, claims that almost 19,000 jobs will be lost this year because of the tax. Without incomes, those people could be paying between $30 million and $60 million less in income tax.
  
  Some boat companies, especially small, family-run operations, went out of business. For example, David Walters, 49, had been building quality yachts in the Northeast for over 20 years. He sold about five boats a year, ranging in price from $300,000 to $600,000, and he employed 40 people. Walters had to close down. His 40 workers lost their jobs.
  
  "Three out of seven builders in my area have been wiped out," says Walters. "And the ones remaining are hanging on by their fingernails."
  
  How much revenue has the boat tax brought to the federal government? Economists say it's possible that the cost of collecting it is wiping out what is being collected. That means Congress came up with a tax that loses money, has eliminated thousands of jobs and deprives the Treasury of millions in income-tax dollars.
  
  This country's private-boat industry is-or maybe was-the world's leader. It exported American boats. Well, maybe the Japanese will fill that gap.

Another Capitol Plan Runs Aground On The Rocks Of Reality
Readers Digest October 1991
Condensed from Chicago Tribune

 

[Zebo]

few Americans know how progressive the tax system is. More that six out of 10 (63 percent) think that low-income or middle-income people pay the highest percentage of their income in federal taxes. Only a quarter (25 percent) know that upper-income people actually pay the highest percentage. This misconception is likely why so many Americans (57 percent) think that high-income people don?t pay their fair share in taxes.
Who Are the Rich?
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And even fewer americans know how regressive the tax system is and only suckers consider IRS's marginal rates only and for that matter only suckers have income to tax.

All taxes arn't progessive, wage income certainly is but millionaires and billionaires did'nt get thier wealth trough wages. Some are in fact regressive. Sales tax, Property, Payroll (aka SS which stops at 89.5K) Excise taxes all hit the poor/middle class disproportionatly so. That the whole tax system is "progessive" as a whole is very debatable which I don't know the answer to and every economist argues about daily. If you all are going to bitch about the tax system, learn something about it and stop paying attention to income tax rates only.

Wages are the easiest thing in the world to tax...no issues with valuation, characterization or timing. Not true for the real wealthy. They tend to derive most if not all of thier "income" from sources such as dividends, rents, Long term Capital gains, secured loan agreements which present very daunting problems such as what it is, how should it be taxed and when it should be taxed? Almost the whole tax code is devoted to these "earners" and it is litgated to the hilt.


But lets look at income for just a sec Someone with 55 million in income pays only .004% in payroll while someone with 55K in income pays 13.5% in payroll taxes (aka SS).

Similarly, Someone with 55M in LTCG pays zero payroll taxes and less than both above in total tax since thier taxed at a non-income rate.