My Evolution question

[IVB]

I was just holding my 2yr old daughter who woke up crying, and of course I accidentally swallowed some water into my lungs and started coughing like a madman when I began to wonder:

- If humans had gills to breathe underwater, and a mouth to eat with, wouldn't it have been superior to continue a paradigm where you have one orifice to breathe, one to eat? Then I wouldn't have scared my daughter with that damn cough attack.

Why has evolution centralized on a single one [the mouth] for both?

Hmmm. perhaps this is the "proof" that there is a god; If left to nature, we'd have had 2. Some idiot god, must have been a civil engineer in his former universe/life, made a decision and is now too arrogant to change his mind.

 

[NL5]

Don't the gills "breathe" thru the mouth?

 

[IAteYourMother]

Yeah, that's why I'm Christian
If we did evolve, I demand my wings, claws, badass teeth, fur, "horse-like features " and gills. Oh hell, and flippers while you're at it. And eyes like a hawk

 

[NL5]

 

[PHiuR]

did we start off with gills? I never knew humaniods had gills.

 

[imported_LoKe]

Because the average person knows how to eat, drink and breathe. You're an exception.

 

[IVB]

Originally posted by: NL5
Don't the gills "breathe" thru the mouth?

oh; do they? I'm picturing the fish gills where they're those slits on the side of their faces.

 

[myusername]

Lungs are not susceptible to contact with non-airborne environmental toxins, for one ..

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: IVB
I was just holding my 2yr old daughter who woke up crying, and of course I accidentally swallowed some water into my lungs and started coughing like a madman when I began to wonder:

- If humans had gills to breathe underwater, and a mouth to eat with, wouldn't it have been superior to continue a paradigm where you have one orifice to breathe, one to eat? Then I wouldn't have scared my daughter with that damn cough attack.

Why has evolution centralized on a single one [the mouth] for both?

Hmmm. perhaps this is the "proof" that there is a god; If left to nature, we'd have had 2. Some idiot god, must have been a civil engineer in his former universe/life, made a decision and is now too arrogant to change his mind.

We all have protogills fetally. We grow out of them... it was damn convenient to use the mouth as a connection to this crazy new lung thing we developed, so rather than remake the wheel and come up with a whole new organ to breathe out of we just used what was available.

Evolution doesn't make the best creature.. it makes the one that reproduces the most... if you die after that it doesn't give a crap.

 

[Schadenfreude]

We had gills, and since we're living on land, it was more efficient, hence easier to survive, without extra peripherals which would be useless/use up extra energy.

Evolution is based on random chances - it's not fatalistic, people! :roll:

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: PHiuR
did we start off with gills? I never knew humaniods had gills.

When in the womb, gills are visible on some babies...

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Jehovah
We had gills, and since we're living on land, it was more efficient, hence easier to survive, without extra peripherals which would be useless/use up extra energy.

Evolution is based on random chances - it's not fatalistic, people! :roll:

Evolution is anything but random. It's based on trends that last for thousands if not millions of years...

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: IVB
I was just holding my 2yr old daughter who woke up crying, and of course I accidentally swallowed some water into my lungs and started coughing like a madman when I began to wonder:

- If humans had gills to breathe underwater, and a mouth to eat with, wouldn't it have been superior to continue a paradigm where you have one orifice to breathe, one to eat? Then I wouldn't have scared my daughter with that damn cough attack.

Why has evolution centralized on a single one [the mouth] for both?

Hmmm. perhaps this is the "proof" that there is a god; If left to nature, we'd have had 2. Some idiot god, must have been a civil engineer in his former universe/life, made a decision and is now too arrogant to change his mind.

We all have protogills fetally. We grow out of them... it was damn convenient to use the mouth as a connection to this crazy new lung thing we developed, so rather than remake the wheel and come up with a whole new organ to breathe out of we just used what was available.

Evolution doesn't make the best creature.. it makes the one that reproduces the most... if you die after that it doesn't give a crap.

Question about evolution: For neutral characteristics that don't affect our ability to pass genes to the next generation, why do they diminish like the appendix? Shouldn't it just stay the same?

 

[imported_LoKe]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Jehovah
We had gills, and since we're living on land, it was more efficient, hence easier to survive, without extra peripherals which would be useless/use up extra energy.

Evolution is based on random chances - it's not fatalistic, people! :roll:

Evolution is anything but random. It's based on trends that last for thousands if not millions of years...

So someday, children may be born with emo-cuts?

Scary thought.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: LoKe

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Jehovah
We had gills, and since we're living on land, it was more efficient, hence easier to survive, without extra peripherals which would be useless/use up extra energy.

Evolution is based on random chances - it's not fatalistic, people! :roll:

Evolution is anything but random. It's based on trends that last for thousands if not millions of years...

So someday, children may be born with emo-cuts?

Scary thought.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Jehovah
We had gills, and since we're living on land, it was more efficient, hence easier to survive, without extra peripherals which would be useless/use up extra energy.

Evolution is based on random chances - it's not fatalistic, people! :roll:

Evolution is anything but random. It's based on trends that last for thousands if not millions of years...

Evolution is based on random variations, AKA mutations, that develop over thousands of years. The ones which have the most adapted mutations to their environment are the ones to survive.

Just because it happens over a long period of time doesn't mean that it's not random.

 

[Agnostos Insania]

Ummm... what? Fish go way back in our history, we abandoned many things we no longer needed. There's a huge difference between processing oxygen from liquid than from taking it from a gas.

Originally posted by: IVB
Hmmm. perhaps this is the "proof" that there is a god; If left to nature, we'd have had 2. Some idiot god, must have been a civil engineer in his former universe/life, made a decision and is now too arrogant to change his mind.

"I don't understand biology or science in general, so there must be a god because my ignorance of this subject leaves me without an answer." This is your conclusion?

 

[olds]

Huh? You don't have gills? WTF?

 

[IVB]

Originally posted by: Jehovah
We had gills, and since we're living on land, it was more efficient, hence easier to survive, without extra peripherals which would be useless/use up extra energy.

Now that's my question; back in ye olden days, wouldn't the person who had both, and could eat&breathe at the same time be superior to one who couldn't?

perhaps not in the classic "gills" model, but where I have one mouth, cut in half, give me two, with one set of pipes to the lung and one to the stomach.

Heck, while i'm rearchitecting this thing, let me turn my head totally around or give me more eyes so I can see when my boss is coming up behind me.

What a grossly inefficient design the human body is.

 

[IVB]

Originally posted by: Agnostos Insania
"I don't understand biology or science in general, so there must be a god because my ignorance of this subject leaves me without an answer." This is your conclusion?

No, this is my poor attempt at a joke. Oy!

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: IVB
I was just holding my 2yr old daughter who woke up crying, and of course I accidentally swallowed some water into my lungs and started coughing like a madman when I began to wonder:

- If humans had gills to breathe underwater, and a mouth to eat with, wouldn't it have been superior to continue a paradigm where you have one orifice to breathe, one to eat? Then I wouldn't have scared my daughter with that damn cough attack.

Why has evolution centralized on a single one [the mouth] for both?

Hmmm. perhaps this is the "proof" that there is a god; If left to nature, we'd have had 2. Some idiot god, must have been a civil engineer in his former universe/life, made a decision and is now too arrogant to change his mind.

We all have protogills fetally. We grow out of them... it was damn convenient to use the mouth as a connection to this crazy new lung thing we developed, so rather than remake the wheel and come up with a whole new organ to breathe out of we just used what was available.

Evolution doesn't make the best creature.. it makes the one that reproduces the most... if you die after that it doesn't give a crap.

Question about evolution: For neutral characteristics that don't affect our ability to pass genes to the next generation, why do they diminish like the appendix? Shouldn't it just stay the same?

Evolution only devlops your ability to pass on your genes. Everything else is accident.
The appendix is not a good example, because it can potentially killl you before you reproduce. It's a normal anthropomorphic tendancy to ascribe moral meaning to evolution as an environmental force, unfortunately this clouds the issue.

 

[Agnostos Insania]

Originally posted by: IVB
Now that's my question; back in ye olden days, wouldn't the person who had both, and could eat&breathe at the same time be superior to one who couldn't?

Is that really much of a benefit? Do you usually want to drink/eat when in the middle of physical activity? It seems unnecessary to me, something that natural selection wouldn't exactly pick up on. Also wouldn't you need extra arms as well?

perhaps not in the classic "gills" model, but where I have one mouth, cut in half, give me two, with one set of pipes to the lung and one to the stomach.

You mean the trachea and esophagus?

Heck, while i'm rearchitecting this thing, let me turn my head totally around or give me more eyes so I can see when my boss is coming up behind me.

It'd be nice, but I it just didn't happen. Mutations are essentially random, the dice just didn't roll that way.

What a grossly inefficient design the human body is.

Yes and no.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: IVB
I was just holding my 2yr old daughter who woke up crying, and of course I accidentally swallowed some water into my lungs and started coughing like a madman when I began to wonder:

- If humans had gills to breathe underwater, and a mouth to eat with, wouldn't it have been superior to continue a paradigm where you have one orifice to breathe, one to eat? Then I wouldn't have scared my daughter with that damn cough attack.

Why has evolution centralized on a single one [the mouth] for both?

Hmmm. perhaps this is the "proof" that there is a god; If left to nature, we'd have had 2. Some idiot god, must have been a civil engineer in his former universe/life, made a decision and is now too arrogant to change his mind.

We all have protogills fetally. We grow out of them... it was damn convenient to use the mouth as a connection to this crazy new lung thing we developed, so rather than remake the wheel and come up with a whole new organ to breathe out of we just used what was available.

Evolution doesn't make the best creature.. it makes the one that reproduces the most... if you die after that it doesn't give a crap.

Question about evolution: For neutral characteristics that don't affect our ability to pass genes to the next generation, why do they diminish like the appendix? Shouldn't it just stay the same?

Evolution only devlops your ability to pass on your genes. Everything else is accident.
The appendix is not a good example, because it can potentially killl you before you reproduce. It's a normal anthropomorphic tendancy to ascribe moral meaning to evolution as an environmental force, unfortunately this clouds the issue.

But the appendix's fatal power doesn't rely on size right?? Or does it... hmm....

 

[Schadenfreude]

Originally posted by: IVB

Originally posted by: Jehovah
We had gills, and since we're living on land, it was more efficient, hence easier to survive, without extra peripherals which would be useless/use up extra energy.

Now that's my question; back in ye olden days, wouldn't the person who had both, and could eat&breathe at the same time be superior to one who couldn't?

perhaps not in the classic "gills" model, but where I have one mouth, cut in half, give me two, with one set of pipes to the lung and one to the stomach.

Heck, while i'm rearchitecting this thing, let me turn my head totally around or give me more eyes so I can see when my boss is coming up behind me.

What a grossly inefficient design the human body is.

Where's the need for someone to eat and breathe at the same time?
And if you were to do that, it would grossly affect your metabolism due to the exrtasensory organs using your limited energy reserve, you'd need to expand more mass to house all the extra organs you'd need, and you'd need to consume more food in order to be able to sustain said extra functions.

If you had your head turned around, you couldn't see in front of you. If you had more eyes in your face, you'd lose the structual integrety in your skull, leaving your brain woefully exposed.

You, sir, are a genius.

People do not understand that there are certain limits to biology - this is why people need to go to school. :thumbsdown:

 

[Agnostos Insania]

Originally posted by: IVB

Originally posted by: NL5
Don't the gills "breathe" thru the mouth?

oh; do they? I'm picturing the fish gills where they're those slits on the side of their faces.

They open and close their mouth to help fresh water enter/exit the gills. I forgot how this works exactly, but sharks can't do it and thus need to keep moving in order to survive.