My evga 6800GT

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: PhoenixOrion
My point being is that you really can't bash a "brand" as pure crap.

I built my brother-in-law's using evga geforce4 and he's been happy fragging with it. I finished farcry using the 5900 oc'ed at 500/950 at all settings on "high" except textures on "medium" and the eye candy was just great.

Gotcha, but the problem is not with 3D. Just 2D. And I dont believe the Ti4xxx series suffered from this problem. Just the whole FX series. I dont know because I owned a PNY Ti4600 which was a blissful card at the time.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Flashram

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I envy everything but your washed out 2d.

:brokenheart: Evga.

So you've used an eVGA 6800 GT then? I have and 2d is NOT washed out, so you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Pretty sure I saw you bashing eVGA in another thread as well.

Yes i have bashed them multiple times, Evga uses sub-par components in their graphics cards, hence the lower prices almost completely across the board.

Their 2d quality on VGA is far worse than an Abit/Asus/Leadtek.

I have seen this phenomenon with my own eyes at lanparties, FX5200, FX5600, FX5900, FX5950.

Edit: this phenomenon is not seen on DVI.

obviously you don't know everything. nvidia themselves are manufacturing the cards to their specifications. they are all the same, only thing different between the bfg and evga is the stickers

NVIDIA has never, at any point, produced their own production graphics cards. Only samples that go out for review.

The OEMs produce the card around NVIDIAs graphics chips.

Memory speed has nothing to do with the image quality.

Obviously you know everything bro. :roll: I never claimed to.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Flashram

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I envy everything but your washed out 2d.

:brokenheart: Evga.

So you've used an eVGA 6800 GT then? I have and 2d is NOT washed out, so you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Pretty sure I saw you bashing eVGA in another thread as well.

Yes i have bashed them multiple times, Evga uses sub-par components in their graphics cards, hence the lower prices almost completely across the board.

Their 2d quality on VGA is far worse than an Abit/Asus/Leadtek.

I have seen this phenomenon with my own eyes at lanparties, FX5200, FX5600, FX5900, FX5950.

Edit: this phenomenon is not seen on DVI.

obviously you don't know everything. nvidia themselves are manufacturing the cards to their specifications. they are all the same, only thing different between the bfg and evga is the stickers

NVIDIA has never, at any point, produced their own production graphics cards. Only samples that go out for review.

The OEMs produce the card around NVIDIAs graphics chips.

Memory speed has nothing to do with the image quality.

Obviously you know everything bro. :roll: I never claimed to.

Well of course nvidia does not sell any parts to end users. they do however have contracts with chinese manufacturers(reference boards etc). Because of limitations on gpu and memory supplies, they are currenty contracting & supervising the manufacturing of all 6800 boards. all are reference design, produced under nvidia control. once they ramp up and stock up, they will begin to allocate the gpu's and memory to other board manufacturers per their 3rd party requests. but currenty, it's all up to nvidia. I have compared the BFG to the eVGA 6800, they are identical. the PCB's are genuine nvidia

Memory speed has nothing to do with the image quality.

you got me confused with someone else

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Flashram

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I envy everything but your washed out 2d.

:brokenheart: Evga.

So you've used an eVGA 6800 GT then? I have and 2d is NOT washed out, so you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Pretty sure I saw you bashing eVGA in another thread as well.

Yes i have bashed them multiple times, Evga uses sub-par components in their graphics cards, hence the lower prices almost completely across the board.

Their 2d quality on VGA is far worse than an Abit/Asus/Leadtek.

I have seen this phenomenon with my own eyes at lanparties, FX5200, FX5600, FX5900, FX5950.

Edit: this phenomenon is not seen on DVI.

obviously you don't know everything. nvidia themselves are manufacturing the cards to their specifications. they are all the same, only thing different between the bfg and evga is the stickers

NVIDIA has never, at any point, produced their own production graphics cards. Only samples that go out for review.

The OEMs produce the card around NVIDIAs graphics chips.

Memory speed has nothing to do with the image quality.

Obviously you know everything bro. :roll: I never claimed to.

Well of course nvidia does not sell any parts to end users. they do however have contracts with chinese manufacturers(reference boards etc). Because of limitations on gpu and memory supplies, they are currenty contracting & supervising the manufacturing of all 6800 boards. all are reference design, produced under nvidia control. once they ramp up and stock up, they will begin to allocate the gpu's and memory to other board manufacturers per their 3rd party requests. but currenty, it's all up to nvidia. I have compared the BFG to the eVGA 6800, they are identical. the PCB's are genuine nvidia

Memory speed has nothing to do with the image quality.

you got me confused with someone else

No, i didnt get you confused, im not a quote whore I was talking to the other poster.

So the other manufacturers get different colored PCBs how? How about the ones that are dual DVI? How about the current BFG fiasco with their DVI not supporting more than 1280x1024? That would mean different components.

 

[hokahknow]

Most companies use the Nvidia (or ATI) reference design.

If a company strays from the reference design they only change the memory, PCB color, cooling. They use the same Nvidia Video parts. So video quality will be the same across the board.

Sure some companies will cut costs and use the cheaper memory, cooling etc, but I wouldn't think video will be affected noticeably.

The image quality was probably driver related.

Back to what the post was about. Glad to here someone finally got a 6800GT. Hope I get my hands on one soon.

 

[MatthewF01]

EXACTLY. must have been drivers.

its not like they take any creative control and redesign circuitry and internals... its piecing together basic components, some mem. packages, GPU, circuit board (and if they press their own, circuit traces), basic power layout, standard ports)... its not a whole world of difference to whine about thats going to affect 2dimensional quality....

just stupid.

BTW, my evga GT arrived today

im off to explore far cry for the first time

6800GT vs Ti4200
arent they pretty...

picture taken on my Sony Ericsson K700i...imported from Hong Kong...costs more than the GT

 

[sparkz]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Flashram

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I envy everything but your washed out 2d.

:brokenheart: Evga.

So you've used an eVGA 6800 GT then? I have and 2d is NOT washed out, so you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Pretty sure I saw you bashing eVGA in another thread as well.

Yes i have bashed them multiple times, Evga uses sub-par components in their graphics cards, hence the lower prices almost completely across the board.

Their 2d quality on VGA is far worse than an Abit/Asus/Leadtek.

I have seen this phenomenon with my own eyes at lanparties, FX5200, FX5600, FX5900, FX5950.

Edit: this phenomenon is not seen on DVI.

ALL of NVIDIA high end cards (5900U, 5950, 6800GT, 6800U) come from the same manufacturing plant. Yes that means all BFGs, eVGA's, Leadtek, MSI, Gigabyte, etc.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Flashram

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I envy everything but your washed out 2d.

:brokenheart: Evga.

So you've used an eVGA 6800 GT then? I have and 2d is NOT washed out, so you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Pretty sure I saw you bashing eVGA in another thread as well.

Yes i have bashed them multiple times, Evga uses sub-par components in their graphics cards, hence the lower prices almost completely across the board.

Their 2d quality on VGA is far worse than an Abit/Asus/Leadtek.

I have seen this phenomenon with my own eyes at lanparties, FX5200, FX5600, FX5900, FX5950.

Edit: this phenomenon is not seen on DVI.

obviously you don't know everything. nvidia themselves are manufacturing the cards to their specifications. they are all the same, only thing different between the bfg and evga is the stickers

NVIDIA has never, at any point, produced their own production graphics cards. Only samples that go out for review.

The OEMs produce the card around NVIDIAs graphics chips.

Memory speed has nothing to do with the image quality.

Obviously you know everything bro. :roll: I never claimed to.

Well of course nvidia does not sell any parts to end users. they do however have contracts with chinese manufacturers(reference boards etc). Because of limitations on gpu and memory supplies, they are currenty contracting & supervising the manufacturing of all 6800 boards. all are reference design, produced under nvidia control. once they ramp up and stock up, they will begin to allocate the gpu's and memory to other board manufacturers per their 3rd party requests. but currenty, it's all up to nvidia. I have compared the BFG to the eVGA 6800, they are identical. the PCB's are genuine nvidia

Memory speed has nothing to do with the image quality.

you got me confused with someone else

Have you also compared part numbers and serials on every single capacitor and filters on both the eVGA and BFG cards as well? The PCB is a reference design from nvidia and OEM's usually follow the reference design very closely. Its the parts they use is what we are talking about here. And anyway, why is this turning into such a big deal? Everyone here knows how the cards are produced. And its not by nvidia.

 

[JBT]

Originally posted by: MatthewF01


6800GT vs Ti4200
arent they pretty...

LOL awsome pic.

Also BFG and eVGA are different. Have you guys looked at the post where BFG's can't do 1600x 1200 on DVI? or any wide screen res yet i'm pretty sure eVGA can as well as the PNY I am getting some time. I know this isn't necissarily the components used and may just be something in the bios but still...

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: sparkz

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Flashram

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I envy everything but your washed out 2d.

:brokenheart: Evga.

So you've used an eVGA 6800 GT then? I have and 2d is NOT washed out, so you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Pretty sure I saw you bashing eVGA in another thread as well.

Yes i have bashed them multiple times, Evga uses sub-par components in their graphics cards, hence the lower prices almost completely across the board.

Their 2d quality on VGA is far worse than an Abit/Asus/Leadtek.

I have seen this phenomenon with my own eyes at lanparties, FX5200, FX5600, FX5900, FX5950.

Edit: this phenomenon is not seen on DVI.

ALL of NVIDIA high end cards (5900U, 5950, 6800GT, 6800U) come from the same manufacturing plant. Yes that means all BFGs, eVGA's, Leadtek, MSI, Gigabyte, etc.

You mean like how all GPU's sometimes come from TSMC? You are talking about PCB's. I would ask you for a link if you could. Showing that all you mentioned above comes from the same plant and what exactly is done there. If you dont mind that is.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: sparkz

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Flashram

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I envy everything but your washed out 2d.

:brokenheart: Evga.

So you've used an eVGA 6800 GT then? I have and 2d is NOT washed out, so you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Pretty sure I saw you bashing eVGA in another thread as well.

Yes i have bashed them multiple times, Evga uses sub-par components in their graphics cards, hence the lower prices almost completely across the board.

Their 2d quality on VGA is far worse than an Abit/Asus/Leadtek.

I have seen this phenomenon with my own eyes at lanparties, FX5200, FX5600, FX5900, FX5950.

Edit: this phenomenon is not seen on DVI.

ALL of NVIDIA high end cards (5900U, 5950, 6800GT, 6800U) come from the same manufacturing plant. Yes that means all BFGs, eVGA's, Leadtek, MSI, Gigabyte, etc.

All NVIDIA chips are (now) produced by TSMC, this has nothing to do with the cards.

 

[Acanthus]

So youre telling me that This and This are exactly the same.

Even though the cards have different colored PCBs, and theres clearly more caps on the end of the MSI...

 

[JBT]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
So youre telling me that This and This are exactly the same.

Even though the cards have different colored PCBs, and theres clearly more caps on the end of the MSI...

Isn't that a 5900 from BFG and a 5900 XT from MSI. I don't think u compare different cards like that... I relize XT's basicly only have reduced clock speeds but it doesn't mean the board lay out can't change. Also the BFG pic is pretty blury and you can't see what it what anyways. Either way I thought we were talking about eVGA here??? Plus the 5900nu, ultra, and 5950 all seem to have less caps on them than the XT's and SE's. If you look at ANY of the pics on Newegg

EVGA 5900 XT

Leadtek 5900 XT

Both card shave the same compenents besides the heat sink... and I think the Lead tek was the end all of 2D quality??? or is that just rumor?

Edit: Throw in the MSI 5900 XT weird its the same too besides the VIVO chip.

oh 1 more the BFG 5900 XT looks the same too just adds RAM sinks and no VIVO chip.

If you can see a difference between any of those cards besides the MSI's VIVO chips and cooling design's go ahead.

EDIT: actually I just noticed on the top of the BFG card it has 2 big IC's while the others have 3 smaller IC's. Though all of them have spots for either on the PCB. hmmm.... Not sure what up there.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: JBT

Originally posted by: Acanthus
So youre telling me that This and This are exactly the same.

Even though the cards have different colored PCBs, and theres clearly more caps on the end of the MSI...

Isn't that a 5900 from BFG and a 5900 XT from MSI. I don't think u compare different cards like that... I relize XT's basicly only have reduced clock speeds but it doesn't mean the board lay out can't change. Also the BFG pic is pretty blury and you can't see what it what anyways. Either way I thought we were talking about eVGA here??? Plus the 5900nu, ultra, and 5950 all seem to have less caps on them than the XT's and SE's. If you look at ANY of the pics on Newegg

EVGA 5900 XT

Leadtek 5900 XT

Both card shave the same compenents besides the heat sink... and I think the Lead tek was the end all of 2D quality??? or is that just rumor?

Edit: Throw in the MSI 5900 XT weird its the same too besides the VIVO chip.

oh 1 more the BFG 5900 XT looks the same too just adds RAM sinks and no VIVO chip.

If you can see a difference between any of those cards besides the MSI's VIVO chips and cooling design's go ahead.

EDIT: actually I just noticed on the top of the BFG card it has 2 big IC's while the others have 3 smaller IC's. Though all of them have spots for either on the PCB. hmmm.... Not sure what up there.

Not to mention the 2 completely different colored PCBs, and completely different chips near the VIVO and DVI ports.

 

[JBT]

Okay so quality depenids on what color dye they dip them in? Also the BFG and Leadtek use the same chips near the DVI and the MSI and EVGA use the same ones as each other too. Okay so that means that the BFG uses some different type of voltage IC's than the rest but the Leadtek which suposidly has the best 2D uses the same as the BFG, and the EVGA and MSI is EXACTLY the same except the VIVO chip.

Interesting.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: JBT
Okay so quality depenids on what color dye they dip them in? Also the BFG and Leadtek use the same chips near the DVI and the MSI and EVGA use the same ones as each other too. Okay so that means that the BFG uses some different type of voltage IC's than the rest but the Leadtek which suposidly has the best 2D uses the same as the BFG, and the EVGA and MSI is EXACTLY the same except the VIVO chip.

Interesting.

You and i know that a 2.26B P4 and a 3.6E P4 look the same.

ITS NOT THE SAME, ive seen it with my own eyes.

 

[Marsumane]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Flashram

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I envy everything but your washed out 2d.

:brokenheart: Evga.

So you've used an eVGA 6800 GT then? I have and 2d is NOT washed out, so you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Pretty sure I saw you bashing eVGA in another thread as well.

Yes i have bashed them multiple times, Evga uses sub-par components in their graphics cards, hence the lower prices almost completely across the board.

Their 2d quality on VGA is far worse than an Abit/Asus/Leadtek.

I have seen this phenomenon with my own eyes at lanparties, FX5200, FX5600, FX5900, FX5950.

Edit: this phenomenon is not seen on DVI.

obviously you don't know everything. nvidia themselves are manufacturing the cards to their specifications. they are all the same, only thing different between the bfg and evga is the stickers

NVIDIA has never, at any point, produced their own production graphics cards. Only samples that go out for review.

The OEMs produce the card around NVIDIAs graphics chips.

Memory speed has nothing to do with the image quality.

Obviously you know everything bro. :roll: I never claimed to.

Well of course nvidia does not sell any parts to end users. they do however have contracts with chinese manufacturers(reference boards etc). Because of limitations on gpu and memory supplies, they are currenty contracting & supervising the manufacturing of all 6800 boards. all are reference design, produced under nvidia control. once they ramp up and stock up, they will begin to allocate the gpu's and memory to other board manufacturers per their 3rd party requests. but currenty, it's all up to nvidia. I have compared the BFG to the eVGA 6800, they are identical. the PCB's are genuine nvidia

Memory speed has nothing to do with the image quality.

you got me confused with someone else

No, i didnt get you confused, im not a quote whore I was talking to the other poster.

So the other manufacturers get different colored PCBs how? How about the ones that are dual DVI? How about the current BFG fiasco with their DVI not supporting more than 1280x1024? That would mean different components.

Actually thats not eniterly true. Go to this thread for more info:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=1348384&enterthread=y

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Marsumane

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Flashram

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I envy everything but your washed out 2d.

:brokenheart: Evga.

So you've used an eVGA 6800 GT then? I have and 2d is NOT washed out, so you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Pretty sure I saw you bashing eVGA in another thread as well.

Yes i have bashed them multiple times, Evga uses sub-par components in their graphics cards, hence the lower prices almost completely across the board.

Their 2d quality on VGA is far worse than an Abit/Asus/Leadtek.

I have seen this phenomenon with my own eyes at lanparties, FX5200, FX5600, FX5900, FX5950.

Edit: this phenomenon is not seen on DVI.

obviously you don't know everything. nvidia themselves are manufacturing the cards to their specifications. they are all the same, only thing different between the bfg and evga is the stickers

NVIDIA has never, at any point, produced their own production graphics cards. Only samples that go out for review.

The OEMs produce the card around NVIDIAs graphics chips.

Memory speed has nothing to do with the image quality.

Obviously you know everything bro. :roll: I never claimed to.

Well of course nvidia does not sell any parts to end users. they do however have contracts with chinese manufacturers(reference boards etc). Because of limitations on gpu and memory supplies, they are currenty contracting & supervising the manufacturing of all 6800 boards. all are reference design, produced under nvidia control. once they ramp up and stock up, they will begin to allocate the gpu's and memory to other board manufacturers per their 3rd party requests. but currenty, it's all up to nvidia. I have compared the BFG to the eVGA 6800, they are identical. the PCB's are genuine nvidia

Memory speed has nothing to do with the image quality.

you got me confused with someone else

No, i didnt get you confused, im not a quote whore I was talking to the other poster.

So the other manufacturers get different colored PCBs how? How about the ones that are dual DVI? How about the current BFG fiasco with their DVI not supporting more than 1280x1024? That would mean different components.

Actually thats not eniterly true. Go to this thread for more info:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=1348384&enterthread=y

No suprise.

 

[JBT]

Originally posted by: Acanthus


You and i know that a 2.26B P4 and a 3.6E P4 look the same.

ITS NOT THE SAME, ive seen it with my own eyes.

I am sure you have I have never used a EVGA, BFG or any of those so I can't speak from experience and wouldn't doubt that there are some differences. I was just getting at the fact that you showed pictures that are not correct to state that the more caps were on a video card meant it was highier quality BS. As you have seen all those cards are basically the same besides 1 or 2 little chips.

I belive CPU's are a bit different under niether the heat spead anyways. I know all my Athlons look different, ranging from the material to the way the bridges are lined up cut and un cut even color and weight.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: JBT

Originally posted by: Acanthus


You and i know that a 2.26B P4 and a 3.6E P4 look the same.

ITS NOT THE SAME, ive seen it with my own eyes.

I am sure you have I have never used a EVGA, BFG or any of those so I can't speak from experience and wouldn't doubt that there are some differences. I was just getting at the fact that you showed pictures that are not correct to state that the more caps were on a video card meant it was highier quality BS. As you have seen all those cards are basically the same besides 1 or 2 little chips.

I belive CPU's are a bit different under niether the heat spead anyways. I know all my Athlons look different, ranging from the material to the way the bridges are lined up cut and un cut even color and weight.

I didnt say the IQ was better because of the 1 or 2 chips. I said that the cards were physically different so they obviously arent produced in the same place. Just because SOME OEMs and CLOSE to the reference design, it doesnt mean NVIDIA produces the cards.

 

[killedradiostar]

Originally posted by: DKlein
Yes every other generation is a good rule; every every other generation... well that's not so fun. I'm just amazed at what I was missing with my GF3. Also amazed at the difference between 25 and 125FPS :Q

seriously. i've been holding out on a new video card (whole system, actually) since my GF3 ti200. despite a dying fan, it's done wonderous things for my machine's longevity. sadly (well maybe more bittersweet than anything), i'm putting an end to that this week!

 

[JBT]

Originally posted by: Acanthus


I didnt say the IQ was better because of the 1 or 2 chips. I said that the cards were physically different so they obviously arent produced in the same place. Just because SOME OEMs and CLOSE to the reference design, it doesnt mean NVIDIA produces the cards.

I will agree with you there I never said Nvidia produced all the cards. What the heck would be the point of having OEM's if NV just put stickers on them? Pretty pointless IMO.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: JBT

Originally posted by: Acanthus


You and i know that a 2.26B P4 and a 3.6E P4 look the same.

ITS NOT THE SAME, ive seen it with my own eyes.

I am sure you have I have never used a EVGA, BFG or any of those so I can't speak from experience and wouldn't doubt that there are some differences. I was just getting at the fact that you showed pictures that are not correct to state that the more caps were on a video card meant it was highier quality BS. As you have seen all those cards are basically the same besides 1 or 2 little chips.

I belive CPU's are a bit different under niether the heat spead anyways. I know all my Athlons look different, ranging from the material to the way the bridges are lined up cut and un cut even color and weight.

JBT, just to clarify. For example: MSI and Evga 5900nu's right? OK. They both have the same PCB (besides color) and the same number of caps and filters on them. To the eye, they look exactly the same except for the obvious fan/hs on each card. But, your not looking close enough. Who is the manufacturer of the caps, filters, other component chips. All this is the stuff I am talking about. Piss poor quality surrounding the nvidia GPU. I had 2 5900nu's simultaneously and closely inspected them both for differences besides the obvious colored PCB's and fan/hs. They use different manufacturers parts on their boards. Sure, they had the same number of caps and chips, but made by different companies. Thats what we are trying to say here. I had the chance to see the blurriness first hand on both a 5600U and 5900nu both eVGA. The BFG was crystal clear and didn't hurt my eyes. I sold the 5600U and RMA'd the eVGA 5900nu because of the blurriness and they said it was a common issue when I asked them. They sent me a brand new card and it was just as blurry. So I gave up and sold it on ebay.

 

[DKlein]

Originally posted by: killedradiostar
seriously. i've been holding out on a new video card (whole system, actually) since my GF3 ti200. despite a dying fan, it's done wonderous things for my machine's longevity. sadly (well maybe more bittersweet than anything), i'm putting an end to that this week!

Yeah they were good cards. Aside from the most recent games mine held up pretty well - money well spent on that Ti 200. But it lives on in my sister's new computer now, so it's not done yet...