My employees make more than me

[rcpratt]

I'm going to make this relatively TLDR.

Got a "developmental" opportunity (i.e., delaying paying me for a year) as a supervisor recently. I have three direct reports. Mid to high level engineering types. All three make a fair bit more than me. They're older than me, so I'm not all that surprised.

My performance review is next week (for my previous job, but same organization). Is it off limits to use this as a bargaining chip for my usual annual performance raise?

 

[Imp]

The last place I worked had some weird thing where supervisors made less than subordinates... Upper management sugarcoated that by saying something along the lines of how some people go into management for the leadership and money's not a big deal.

 

[Tweak155]

Uh no. If you think you're worth more prove why you're worth more.

 

[rcpratt]

If you think you're worth more prove why you're worth more.

Pretty sure that we're on the same page. Little late for that anyways.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

What kind of candy land companies do you work for where employers care if you can prove you're worth more?

 

[Tweak155]

Pretty sure that we're on the same page. Little late for that anyways.

What why?

 

[rcpratt]

What why?

One would think that most of that proof occurs during the year in question, not a one hour conversation.

I've also already submitted my input for my performance review.

 

[Tweak155]

One would think that most of that proof occurs during the year in question, not a one hour conversation.

I've also already submitted my input for my performance review.

If you always work around the company you'll never get around to yourself. Lay down your terms if you think you're worth more.

 

[highland145]

delaying paying me for a year

I hope you make bank. Keep us in the loop.


Hell, you're one of us so you will make bank.

 

[rudeguy]

One would think that most of that proof occurs during the year in question, not a one hour conversation.

I've also already submitted my input for my performance review.

You still at the same place?

I have faith that you will get taken care of. You are dedicated and know your shit. Keep us updated pleasem

 

[rcpratt]

You still at the same place?

I have faith that you will get taken care of. You are dedicated and know your shit. Keep us updated pleasem

Thanks

Same place, 5 years this May.

 

[rudeguy]

Thanks

Same place, 5 years this May.

I would think pay grades are pretty established there. If your raise is delayed, would they retro it when it does go through? Just cut a big check at the end of the year?

From now on I'm going to cuss you out whenever my furnace kicks on.

 

[Carson Dyle]

No, it's not off limits, but it may be irrelevant.

If I understand your situation, which you call a development opportunity, from the perspective of your supervisors it may be more like a trial period. I would tread lightly when it comes to questions of compensation.

 

[rcpratt]

I would think pay grades are pretty established there. If your raise is delayed, would they retro it when it does go through? Just cut a big check at the end of the year?

From now on I'm going to cuss you out whenever my furnace kicks on.

Still electric side, so don't blame me for whatever those gas people do!

Yeah, if I get the job "officially" they cut you a check for what your promotion would have been during the developmental period.

No, it's not off limits, but it may be irrelevant.

If I understand your situation, which you call a development opportunity, from the perspective of your supervisors it may be more like a trial period. I would tread lightly when it comes to questions of compensation.

Oh, it certainly is to some extent. But I agree, it may be better suited for the eventual promotion discussion rather than now. It sure feels weird in the interim.

 

[rudeguy]

Still electric side, so don't blame me for whatever those gas people do!

Yeah, if I get the job "officially" they cut you a check for what your promotion would have been during the developmental period.


Oh, it certainly is to some extent. But I agree, it may be better suited for the eventual promotion discussion rather than now. It sure feels weird in the interim.

Gotcha. Just think of it as more time to plan for a nice vacation to somewhere warm!

 

[highland145]

Gotcha. Just think of it as more time to plan for a nice vacation to somewhere warm!

It's warm here and you would be welcome.

 

[brianmanahan]

use it as a bragaining chip and let us know how it goes!

 

[rudeguy]

It's warm here and you would be welcome.

You ready to sell some debit cards? The owner and I can be there by 7 am.

 

[IronWing]

IMHO, there is no reason a supervisor should always make more than their employees. If the employees' skill sets demand a higher wage, so be it. Supervising is one skill set, doing the work is a different one.

 

[highland145]

You ready to sell some debit cards? The owner and I can be there by 7 am.

My state overlords said no but you can come down anyway. I'll feed you and it won't be okra.



I do have the mv500 vault. Gotta get used to using it.

 

[rcpratt]

IMHO, there is no reason a supervisor should always make more than their employees. If the employees' skill sets demand a higher wage, so be it. Supervising is one skill set, doing the work is a different one.

Eh, I don't disagree, but in this case it's essentially the same skill-set.

 

[vi edit]

In the companies I've worked at it's entirely possible that a manager *could* make less than their staff. I'm used to being a tiered environment where people get levels I, II, III, and possibly a IV. It's not impossible for a highly qualified and/or tenured person to be in those III & IV positions making $5k-$20k more than a manager who got their first management gig.

As for real world numbers, I've known level III's getting $80k a year and first time managers making $72k. Managers got slightly better vacation accruals and a bit higher Christmas bonus.

 

[IronWing]

Eh, I don't disagree, but in this case it's essentially the same skill-set.

Then I think you have a point.

 

[SP33Demon]

Do you have more experience than them? If not, then you were hired for your potential due to either a higher intellectual capacity or stronger work ethic or personality or all of the above. Give it some time to percolate, with time you will surpass them but if you are a little green then you may have to learn the corporate culture and it's possible they will want to make sure your personality is a good fit before solidifying your position.

 

[Rage187]

You are a dispatcher, not a manager.