My dad's office got attacked by GreenPeace ninjas

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
I wonder... if you add all of the criminal trespass, vandalism, and harassment charges that Greenpeace just racked up there, how much jail time would be involved for the people who pulled off this stunt?

Not that HP would ever bother pressing charges... they don't want the extra negative publicity.

Dunno, don't care. Probably not much. Face it, the worst thing they did was exercise Free Speech in a way very embarrassing for HP.

I hate it when people throw around the term "Free speech"

So I can come to your house and paint "THE GUY WHO LIVES HERE HAS A VERY SMALL PENIS" on it? All I'm woudl have does was "exercise Free Speech in a way very embarrassing" for you.

GP often has good messages. However, that doesn't give them a free card to vandalize and do whatever other crimes they want in order to prove their point. They should be punished to the full extent of the law, and if the members who did this were actually serious about their message and work, they wouldn't mind.

Of course the public would throw a bit fit because these crimes are somehow just, allowing the cowards at GP to hide behind a wall of public affection.

There are other ways to express your opinion and promote your agenda.

There are, like Bombs and such. Hanging a Banner on the side of a Building is Harmless.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: sandorski
:laugh:

Oy vey

A good counterpoint.

yes, it is. There's hope for you.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: PottedMeat
"Hey wanna defend whales against japanese whaling vessels?"
"Nah, I heard HP hasn't completed the transition to lead-free solder and is still using halogenated plastics"
"Those fuckers! Let's go paint shit on their roof!"

:laugh:

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: PottedMeat
"Hey wanna defend whales against japanese whaling vessels?"
"Nah, I heard HP hasn't completed the transition to lead-free solder and is still using halogenated plastics"
"Those fuckers! Let's go paint shit on their roof!"

:laugh:

well on a personal level, i think i'd rather they combat having carcinogenic components in their equipment rather than fighting whaling (although the latter is important too)

 

[IGBT]

that's what eco-KOOKS do. most of em are angry white guys raised in the lap of luxury living off an allowance and never had to work for a living.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: Printer Bandit
these guys have nothing on Sea Shepherd.

what i thought sea shepherd was with green peace

Is this the crazy captain that was one of the founding members of Greenpeace, and was eventually voted off the board back in the 80s b/c his extreme tactics were considered "too much" for even Greenpeace?

 

[Chaotic42]

Okay, you've managed to bring Phokus and Harvey in here. Move this to P&N before the seal breaks and we are destroyed.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Good for GreenPeace. This is a harmless stunt that hurt no one, & will only cost HP however many hours of low wages earned by their custodial staff. Hell it's non-toxic water-soluble paint, all they have to do is wait for a good rain to clean it off. There's no reason to continue using these rather noxious chemicals in IT hardware other than the fact that they're slightly cheaper than better alternatives. Like someone mentioned, Apple used to have one of the absolute worst environmental records of computer manufacturers until GreenPeace started embarrassing them, too; now they can't tell you enough how environmentally responsible they are.

All you internet tough guys saying GreenPeace are a bunch of fags/sissies/commie terrorists...it's a good thing you don't have their fortitude, otherwise you'd actually be going off & savaging people who dared see beyond the tip of their noses. You really can't be hardcore on the internet, so what's the point of macho bluster?

If you knew anything abotu Greenpeace, and weren't some idealistic, inexperienced, msds-educated diletante, you'd know that the only thing Greenpeace really cares about is other corporations. Their pro-environment mission is long in their past.

Greenpeace is mroe anti-corporation than they are pro-environment these days.

is it any wonder that one of their original founding members, Patrick Moore, left the organization many years ago to consult for the logging industry--the very industry that Greenpeace was founded on to attack? Guess what, logging industry has been largely reformed due to proper economic/sustainability strategy; not b/c of the meaningless posturing that you get from Greenpeace these days.
It's easy to recruit well-meaning but ill-informed college kids to stand out on the streets for them during the summer, and it doesn't cut into their bottom line.

educate yourself before you start spouting more nonsense.

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1.Greenpeace founder calls extremists 'anti-human'

The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette December 11, 2002, Wednesday
Speaking at LR rice conference, activist says environmentalism has been hijacked BYLINE:
BY DAVID MERCER ARKANSAS
DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE

One of the founders of Greenpeace told a rice industry gathering Tuesday that environmentalism has been hijacked by extremists opposed to the intensive agriculture and biotechnology needed to feed and clothe the world's population. "Environmental extremists are basically anti-human," Patrick Moore told members of the USA Rice Federation on the final day of its conference in Little Rock. "Humans are characterized as a cancer on the Earth."

An uncritical news media, he also charged, reports much of what organizations such as Greenpeace and the World Wildlife Fund offer as fact without checking its validity.

Moore's message was wellreceived by the roughly 100 members of the trade group on the last day of its annual conference. "I think more people need to hear what he was saying," said Gary Sebree, a Stuttgart rice farmer. "It's good when you see someone on the other side that's seen the light."

Moore was among the founding members of Greenpeace in the early 1970s and eventually became its international director. Yet in the 1980s, Moore said, he grew weary of confrontation and became more interested in consensus building. "I had been against three or four things every day of my life," said Moore. "I decided I'd like to be for some things."

The movement he was part of didn't follow, Moore told his audience. Instead, he said, when the environmental movement gained a degree of acceptance, many of its members became more radical, unable or unwilling to let go of confrontation as a way of life. With the end of the Cold War, Moore told the crowd, peace activists also found themselves looking for a new cause and latched on. The environmental movement has largely become antibusiness and anti-trade, according to Moore, adhering to a "utopian dream" that the world's population can feed itself from small organic gardens. Efforts to contact Greenpeace and the World Wildlife Fund on Tuesday afternoon for a reaction to Moore's comments were not successful. Western environmental organizations now finance small groups in developing nations such as India, he said, to maintain traditional agriculture and battle the influence of agribusinesses such as Monsanto that offer genetically modified seeds capable of producing larger crops and resisting disease. "Wouldn't it be a shame if those poor farmers actually got a decent crop out of the ground?" Moore said. He also called environmental campaigns against the logging industry, an important business in both his native British Columbia and the South, shortsighted. Since most logs cut for commercial use are grown on private land, landowners aren't likely to leave their property idle, he argued. "If [environmentalists] destroy the market for wood, which they're trying to do," Moore said, "those people will cut the trees down and grow something else instead."

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Okay, you've managed to bring Phokus and Harvey in here. Move this to P&N before the seal breaks and we are destroyed.

I'm sorry 😛

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Originally posted by: zinfamous
If you knew anything abotu Greenpeace, and weren't some idealistic, inexperienced, msds-educated diletante, you'd know that the only thing Greenpeace really cares about is other corporations. Their pro-environment mission is long in their past.

Greenpeace is mroe anti-corporation than they are pro-environment these days.


educate yourself before you start spouting more nonsense.

LOL. Amusing irrelevant ad hominems there. I didn't defend GreenPeace the organization, I defended their actions in this particular case. Like I said, no one got hurt, HP's direct costs are very minimal, & they got embarrassed. Citing Apple, these tactics have clearly been effective in the past.

If you want to call graduate level studies of chemical ecology an 'msds education,' that's your issue, not mine. If nothing else, that education has helped pay my bills from consulting with recycling firms. I suppose assisting in the rehabilitation of a former industrial waste wetland into productive habitat that doesn't give its neighbors cancer isn't 'real world experience' in your mind, either. I don't defend GreenPeace on the whole because I don't agree with everything, or even most, of what they do & I'm certainly not a member of the organization. I think there are better ways of making a difference, & I do what I can. Call me 'idealistic' all you want, I don't think that's a bad thing. It's not a bad thing when someone walks up to you when you're the in the field covered in mud & who knows what else, asks what you're doing, and then says thank you when you tell them you're cleaning up someone else's mess for research purposes.

It never ceases to amaze me how the expertise of people who spend months, if not years educating themselves on an issue is so casually dismissed by others who'd rather pigeonhole & strawman dissenting opinions.

If anyone should be pleased by this illegal action by GreenPeace, it's the Chinese. But you wouldn't know about the environmental consequences of turning China into the world's factory, since that information is concealed in books. But I too am now generalizing your dissenting opinion. I'd love to hear what your experience & 'non-msds' education stems from. Not just selective reading of what you want to hear, right?

 

[Kadarin]

Did they at least use environmentally friendly paint?

 

[SSSnail]

GreenPeace, PETA all need to cuddle up in a Broke Back Mountain fashion and jump off a really steep cliff, I don't want any of them to die or anything, but it'd be great if they do that.

 

[Slimline]

This thread is going places. Have to bookmark for later 🙂

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: waffleironhead

Originally posted by: Sea Moose
meh, green peace do great work in Aussie waters.. They are the only ones that are man enough to take on the japanese whaling fleets... Japanese whaling makes my blood boil.

You needed pirates to fight off the ninjas

Whale tastes good. Go back to eating your land whales.

And whaling for meat purposes is against international law. Oh, I forgot, it's for "research."

:roll:

Those whaling ships need a nice meeting with a cruise missile.

And everyone on the Sea Shepard needs a nice meeting with a 168g FMJ-BT.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: sandorski
yes, it is. There's hope for you.

While I am not saying painting something on a building is as bad as blowing something up and such, it doesn't make the criminal activities alright. I don't understand where you figure defacing private property is okay now simply because you think your message is just.

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Okay, you've managed to bring Phokus and Harvey in here. Move this to P&N before the seal breaks and we are destroyed.

Frankly, I think Harvey's moderator actions have been a bit overboard in this topic, but I'm honestly not really surprised at that. Especially when posts have been made in the past with a similar message and no one ever got in trouble for those.

 

[chuckywang]

Why the backlash against environmentalism?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: sandorski
yes, it is. There's hope for you.

While I am not saying painting something on a building is as bad as blowing something up and such, it doesn't make the criminal activities alright. I don't understand where you figure defacing private property is okay now simply because you think your message is just.

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Okay, you've managed to bring Phokus and Harvey in here. Move this to P&N before the seal breaks and we are destroyed.

Frankly, I think Harvey's moderator actions have been a bit overboard in this topic, but I'm honestly not really surprised at that. Especially when posts have been made in the past with a similar message and no one ever got in trouble for those.

"Defacing". chuckle

If it were the Mona Lisa, I'd be outraged. That dull and drab roof, I can't find the energy to even fake outrage.

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Why the backlash against environmentalism?

It's OK to be an environmentalist, to care for the environment, recycle and all that jazz; it's not OK to troll for attention like these douches are doing. Sort of like bombing abortion clinics to save lives, not particularly affective and somewhat hypocritical.

Did anyone care to investigate into what kind of environmental friendly spray paint those douche bags were using?

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Good for GreenPeace. This is a harmless stunt that hurt no one, & will only cost HP however many hours of low wages earned by their custodial staff. Hell it's non-toxic water-soluble paint, all they have to do is wait for a good rain to clean it off. There's no reason to continue using these rather noxious chemicals in IT hardware other than the fact that they're slightly cheaper than better alternatives. Like someone mentioned, Apple used to have one of the absolute worst environmental records of computer manufacturers until GreenPeace started embarrassing them, too; now they can't tell you enough how environmentally responsible they are.

All you internet tough guys saying GreenPeace are a bunch of fags/sissies/commie terrorists...it's a good thing you don't have their fortitude, otherwise you'd actually be going off & savaging people who dared see beyond the tip of their noses. You really can't be hardcore on the internet, so what's the point of macho bluster?

i believe this "harmless stunt" is called vandalism and/or destruction of private property, and can be prosecuted as a criminal offense.

sorry, but fuck 'em. they can protest all they want, but as soon as they start messing with other people's property (it's not like they tagged their own building), they open themselves up to pursuit by the authorities if HP so desires. i'd go after them.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Originally posted by: SSSnail

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Why the backlash against environmentalism?

It's OK to be an environmentalist, to care for the environment, recycle and all that jazz; it's not OK to troll for attention like these douches are doing. Sort of like bombing abortion clinics to save lives, not particularly affective and somewhat hypocritical.

Did anyone care to investigate into what kind of environmental friendly spray paint those douche bags were using?

In what kind of fucked up bizzarro world is trespassing onto a building roof & using non-toxic kids' fingerpaint to embarrass a sometimes irresponsible corporation ANYTHING at all like bombing an abortion clinic? Do you seriously think that something that results in an inconvenience & has minimal clean up costs is 'sort of' like destroying buildings & killing people? Your analogy skills = truly epic fail. Like I said, GreenPeace has used deplorable tactics...this is not one of them.

If you bothered to read any of the news coverage, almost every outlet said what kind of paint they used, because yes, it would be rather hypocritical for them to use lead-based paint.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: SSSnail

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Why the backlash against environmentalism?

It's OK to be an environmentalist, to care for the environment, recycle and all that jazz; it's not OK to troll for attention like these douches are doing. Sort of like bombing abortion clinics to save lives, not particularly affective and somewhat hypocritical.

Did anyone care to investigate into what kind of environmental friendly spray paint those douche bags were using?

aka, as long as they keep it to themselves and never get heard.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
i believe this "harmless stunt" is called vandalism and/or destruction of private property, and can be prosecuted as a criminal offense.

sorry, but fuck 'em. they can protest all they want, but as soon as they start messing with other people's property (it's not like they tagged their own building), they open themselves up to pursuit by the authorities if HP so desires. i'd go after them.

I said "harmless" because no one got hurt. There is a world of difference between vandalizing property & hurting people - just look at the difference in punishment between sticking a knife in a sofa at a home furnishing store & sticking a knife in someone who works at the store. 😛

If the GreenPeace vandals get caught, I'd have no reason to acquit them. They should be held accountable for their actions, be fined, & if the law warrants it, jailed. There's a price to be paid for their actions & I'm certain they're willing to pay that price to send the message they sent.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

I believe the neighbor is taking part in environmentally damaging practices, I think I will go paint some sort of environmental slogan on his car. That'll show him.

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus

Originally posted by: SSSnail

Originally posted by: chuckywang
Why the backlash against environmentalism?

It's OK to be an environmentalist, to care for the environment, recycle and all that jazz; it's not OK to troll for attention like these douches are doing. Sort of like bombing abortion clinics to save lives, not particularly affective and somewhat hypocritical.

Did anyone care to investigate into what kind of environmental friendly spray paint those douche bags were using?

In what kind of fucked up bizzarro world is trespassing onto a building roof & using non-toxic kids' fingerpaint to embarrass a sometimes irresponsible corporation ANYTHING at all like bombing an abortion clinic? Do you seriously think that something that results in an inconvenience & has minimal clean up costs is 'sort of' like destroying buildings & killing people? Your analogy skills = truly epic fail. Like I said, GreenPeace has used deplorable tactics...this is not one of them.

If you bothered to read any of the news coverage, almost every outlet said what kind of paint they used, because yes, it would be rather hypocritical for them to use lead-based paint.

So, are you saying that Green Peace has never done any abhorring acts that could be compared to bombing abortion clinics? Hmmm...

I care for the environment, I recycle when I can, I even clean up after others in public places because I care. You don't see me scaling roofs painting anything, do you?

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Originally posted by: SSSnail

Originally posted by: GigantopithecusLike I said, GreenPeace has used deplorable tactics...this is not one of them.

So, are you saying that Green Peace has never done any abhorring acts that could be compared to bombing abortion clinics?

Are you literate?