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Work hard, get your own company - then make the IT rules.

It's quasi-intelligent nerds like you that screw up corporate networks, thinking you "know better".

And make sure that all the money they spend on new apps (which don't always make people more productive) comes out of your check.

 
Originally posted by: rh71
I'm sorry but having it compatible with 1 browser that the company officially supports is sufficient.
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The browser (IE8) was deployed through the corporate software library tool

 
Originally posted by: LS21
they purchased/contracted an online app that is only compatible with internet explorer. 7. it doesnt work if i use firefox or opera with masked user agent as IE7. it wont render. hell, it wont even display in IE8.

worst, app, ever
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The app they bought sucks, not them. And fuck you by the way, it isnt their job to make sure it works with the browser YOU want, its to make sure it works with the browser THEY install and THEY support.
 
Originally posted by: LS21
they purchased/contracted an online app that is only compatible with internet explorer. 7. it doesnt work if i use firefox or opera with masked user agent as IE7. it wont render. hell, it wont even display in IE8.

worst, app, ever
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I hate this as well, why is it that the most expensive corporate apps can't even work properly in all browsers? It's retarded. Screw the activeX crap, bring on cross platform compatibility!
 
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Was it ITs doing or was an idiot higher up the food chain that signed a contract without ever consulting IT?
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That's probably the case. I work in IT and I see this all the time.

I also often find ways to increase productivity or save money, but they don't want to have anything to do with stuff involving custom code, or Linux, or open source in general.
 
Originally posted by: midwestfisherman
Wow, a lot of corporate nazi types in this thread!
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no, would you want to try to support 50 bazillion different apps/configs because these douchebags think they're special and better than everyone else?
 
Originally posted by: LS21
so what you are saying is that you are incapable of supporting the more popular browsers on the internet and want to blame it on the end users
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If the vast majority of their clients have a particular version of a browser installed, business logic would indicate that they should code such that it appears best on that browser. If their clients start to move to a different browser, or along a common path, fix the app to do the same. Supporting browsers just for the sake of supporting browsers doesn't make terribly much sense from a financial standpoint. (And FWIW, I'm a Firefox advocate, even though I support plenty of apps that'll only work on IE.)
 
Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Originally posted by: LS21
so what you are saying is that you are incapable of supporting the more popular browsers on the internet and want to blame it on the end users
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If the vast majority of their clients have a particular version of a browser installed, business logic would indicate that they should code such that it appears best on that browser. If their clients start to move to a different browser, or along a common path, fix the app to do the same. Supporting browsers just for the sake of supporting browsers doesn't make terribly much sense from a financial standpoint. (And FWIW, I'm a Firefox advocate, even though I support plenty of apps that'll only work on IE.)
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sums it up quite nicely.
 
Originally posted by: Devine
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Was it ITs doing or was an idiot higher up the food chain that signed a contract without ever consulting IT?
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I'm gonna bet this is the case.
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I'm gonna have to agree.


Originally posted by: LS21
and i cant access VPN on my XP 64 operating system. i might have to re-image to XP32...jeezus... and as recently as a few months ago I was stuck with Office 2002
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Our VPN client doesn't support XP 64 or Vista 64. It does, however, run just fine in my Windows 2000 Virtual Box.
 
What most people fail to realize is that in most IT departments, there's a hierarchy and chain of command for application support.

Usually requests for 'software supoort' go thru some type of application evaluation team that tests compatability with certain applications that are considered "business critical"
One main app, that has already been mentioned, for most companies is ERP, or Oracle EBusiness Suite. Oracle doesn't like to play nice with Tabbed Browsing, and as such many companies that rely on ERP have made IE6 their main browser of choice. Not that IT prefers the browser, but the average idiot in Finance, or Accounting doesnt know shit about computers, and as such, would call IT every 5 seconds because Oracle isn't working. So to appease the 10% of the idiots, who work for the department that handles 90% of the income, you simplify the situation and make IE6 your default browser. This then usually goes thru approvals, which ends with the CTO.

So, if you, mister low on the totem pole wants to call the CTO and tell him to piss off the departments that make the money, or handle the money for the company, go right ahead. We'll be sure to route all support calls for the issue that arises just from appeasing your 'techno-superior' ass right to your phone.
 
Originally posted by: LS21
Originally posted by: drum
Originally posted by: LS21
and i cant access VPN on my XP 64 operating system. i might have to re-image to XP32...jeezus... and as recently as a few months ago I was stuck with Office 2002
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Is it an IPSEC connection?
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there's a "true" VPN but it doesnt work because the software that authenticates my smartcard is not 64 compatible.

we have a java applet that allows this tunnelling but the applet is not compatible with 64. (not compatible with non-IE browsers either)
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If it's IPSEC, we use the NCP VPN Client on our Server 2008 x64 boxes. If it's a specialized VPN that uses ActiveX or something else whacky, just run a VM with a 32-bit OS installed on it.
 
Originally posted by: guyver01
What most people fail to realize is that in most IT departments, there's a hierarchy and chain of command for application support.

Usually requests for 'software supoort' go thru some type of application evaluation team that tests compatability with certain applications that are considered "business critical"
One main app, that has already been mentioned, for most companies is ERP, or Oracle EBusiness Suite. Oracle doesn't like to play nice with Tabbed Browsing, and as such many companies that rely on ERP have made IE6 their main browser of choice. Not that IT prefers the browser, but the average idiot in Finance, or Accounting doesnt know shit about computers, and as such, would call IT every 5 seconds because Oracle isn't working. So to appease the 10% of the idiots, who work for the department that handles 90% of the income, you simplify the situation and make IE6 your default browser. This then usually goes thru approvals, which ends with the CTO.

So, if you, mister low on the totem pole wants to call the CTO and tell him to piss off the departments that make the money, or handle the money for the company, go right ahead. We'll be sure to route all support calls for the issue that arises just from appeasing your 'techno-superior' ass right to your phone.
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bravo! so well spoken! i shed a tear...
 
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
I hate this as well, why is it that the most expensive corporate apps can't even work properly in all browsers? It's retarded. Screw the activeX crap, bring on cross platform compatibility!
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Because Internet Explorer is far easier to maintain/restrict/control/update uniformly across an enterprise?

Because most corporations only support one or possibly two versions of Internet Explorer at a time and could not care less about how Firefox renders an intranet app?

Because officially supporting multiple browsers is more expensive?
 
How is it more expensive? if it's done right in first place it should automatically work in all browsers. Look at most forum software, it works in all browsers. Facebook works in most browsers, youbue works in most browsers (with some plugin requirement), google, one of the biggest web apps in the world, works in most browsers, why can't a simple 5 field form with a button work in most browsers? And by most browsers I pretty much mean all, but figured I'd leave the possibility that some browsers may not like those sites. ex: lynx would not really go well on youtube. 😛.

Corporations love microsoft though, they usually could not care less about alternative browsers/OSes or open source, even if in some cases, it's easier to implement, more reliable, and cost efficient, and easier to support/maintain. When I was at help desk and had at least 10 different web apps open at all times, I had managed to get most of them to work in FF though, while the really fussy ones I just used It tab. Way better then having 10 separate windows open in browsers alone (already had about 10 apps open to begin with).
 
If I am Oracle and I sell a piece of web-based software to be used internally by a company, I have to list which browsers my software will run under. Every single operating system / browser combination needs to be tested in order for me to "officially" support those combinations. The more browsers I support, the more testing I need to do, the more expensive my software will be to develop and maintain. Comparing browser support in an enterprise web app to a public internet site is apples to oranges.
 
Originally posted by: MrChad
If I am Oracle and I sell a piece of web-based software to be used internally by a company, I have to list which browsers my software will run under. Every single operating system / browser combination needs to be tested in order for me to "officially" support those combinations. The more browsers I support, the more testing I need to do, the more expensive my software will be to develop and maintain. Comparing browser support in an enterprise web app to a public internet site is apples to oranges.
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This, this, THIS.
 
Originally posted by: Xanis
Originally posted by: MrChad
If I am Oracle and I sell a piece of web-based software to be used internally by a company, I have to list which browsers my software will run under. Every single operating system / browser combination needs to be tested in order for me to "officially" support those combinations. The more browsers I support, the more testing I need to do, the more expensive my software will be to develop and maintain. Comparing browser support in an enterprise web app to a public internet site is apples to oranges.
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This, this, THIS.
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Yeah, and like IT management is gonna worry about some random guy's love for Firefox/Opera when choosing enterprise wide application handling company's accounting/sales/HR and other critical business function.

Sorry to break it to you tech guys. In the world of critical business applications, supporting business function is what people care about, what kinda browsers the app supports is just an after thought.
 
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: Xanis
Originally posted by: MrChad
If I am Oracle and I sell a piece of web-based software to be used internally by a company, I have to list which browsers my software will run under. Every single operating system / browser combination needs to be tested in order for me to "officially" support those combinations. The more browsers I support, the more testing I need to do, the more expensive my software will be to develop and maintain. Comparing browser support in an enterprise web app to a public internet site is apples to oranges.
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This, this, THIS.
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Yeah, and like IT management is gonna worry about some random guy's love for Firefox/Opera when choosing enterprise wide application handling company's accounting/sales/HR and other critical business function.

Sorry to break it to you tech guys. In the world of critical business applications, supporting business function is what people care about, what kinda browsers the app supports is just an after thought.
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yup... and in this down economy... if there are two apps out there that do the same job, one costs $10,000 and only supports IE6 and one costs $250,000 and supports 12 different browsers.... guess which one the company is gonna get?
 
Originally posted by: guyver01

yup... and in this down economy... if there are two apps out there that do the same job, one costs $10,000 and only supports IE6 and one costs $250,000 and supports 12 different browsers.... guess which one the company is gonna get?
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you guessed it... there's gonna go option c - choose the inhouse designer who can barely code his way out of a paper bag, get half assed support and something that BARELY works with what you have ... because the guy is on the payroll already and it wont cost extra!

 
Originally posted by: spacejamz
not sure what you bitching about....IT shouldn't haven't to support multiple browsers/versions...if the company standard is IE7 and you choose not use it, I don't see why it is their problem...
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This. You clearly don't work in IT. Single platform is better for the company, hence you follow. If you think the ability to use your browser of choice is worth more than your salary and benefits, then quit.
 
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