My condolences to the liberals EDIT: the wacky ones

[heartsurgeon]

my condolences as well...

lets recap..
the Dow has topped 10,000
the economy is growing at 8%
jobless claims are dropping
Saddam has been captured

predictions:
liberals will discount the importance of capturing Saddam (saying it was "inevitable given our superior forces in Iraq")
liberals will bray that Osama bin Laden is still on the loose
liberals will avoid discussing the obvious salutory effect Saddams capture will have on Iranian, Syrian, and N. Korean politicians
the stock market will shoot up on monday
the russians and the frenchies will start kissing our @sses

yep, it's probably a prettry gloomy christmas for the hard core liberals out there in AT land.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: ELP
Shanti,

how old are you?

Is this a serious question or an attempt to discredit my opinions based on my age?
I've found it quite common because of the anonymity of the internet, for people who have no argument, to try to play the age card by calling people kids.

32 by the way.
And married with 3 kids and two college degrees.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

OK, just a little sense and observation here:

How many people are there who *really* believe that the 9/11 attacks were justified? My bet is that there are very few. I think most of us are *Civilized* enough people that we realize there can be no justification for the murder of 3,000 men and women who's biggest crime was getting up and going to work.

Jason

EDIT: Somewhere in this thread I saw someone say that Rush Limbaugh is a "true" conservative. Cute comment. Completely untrue, of course. Rush leans, in many ways, far closer to the Libertarian (that is to say, Classical Liberal) side than the Conservative side. You Conservatives erroneously believe he is a conservative largely because he happens to be a Christian and a Republican, but the ideas he advocates are *far* from Conservative dogma.

 

[SynthesisI]

Originally posted by: Shanti
Just wanted to express my sorrow and sincere condolences on this day of the capture of your great leader. Have faith, be glad at least Bin Laden is still free to carry on in your goal to destroy everything that is good and right.

EDIT:
:beer::brokenheart:

:beer:

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
to the Libertarian (that is to say, Classical Liberal)

Ummm, what?
Look, you can go back to whatever century you want and base your definition of a word on what it meant at that time.
Today's liberals, and those of the past 100 years, are absolutely the opposite of libertarians.
Liberals support social welfare, libertarians don't.
Liberals support public education, libertarians don't.
Liberals support socialized medicine, libertarians don't.
Liberals want to highly regulate firearms ownership, libertarians don't.

About the only issue libertarians and liberals agree on is abortion.

Many libertarians vote Republican because it is closer to their views.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
my condolences as well...

lets recap..
the Dow has topped 10,000
the economy is growing at 8%
jobless claims are dropping
Saddam has been captured

predictions:
liberals will discount the importance of capturing Saddam (saying it was "inevitable given our superior forces in Iraq")
liberals will bray that Osama bin Laden is still on the loose
liberals will avoid discussing the obvious salutory effect Saddams capture will have on Iranian, Syrian, and N. Korean politicians
the stock market will shoot up on monday
the russians and the frenchies will start kissing our @sses

yep, it's probably a prettry gloomy christmas for the hard core liberals out there in AT land.

That's pretty funny, somehow Dow 10,000 is a magic number that says economy is all good? Why not talk about NASDAQ which hit 5000 in March of 2000 but still have not break 2000 now, what does that say?
And also economy grows at 8% for how long, a quarter? Oh yeah that sure makes this economy strongest ever.
Jobless claim dropping? Is it dropping enough to recover all 2.5 million job lost since Bush took over?
Saddam Hussien captured? Yay, good job for the American troops over there but still haven't change the fact that we were there for the WMD and we haven't found jack. And we still don't know if all the unnecessary dying, both American soldiers and Iraqis, gonna continue after this.

You need to feel big and proud and have everyone in the world to kiss ur butt? That's ok, just keep living in your dream world where you are always right and everyone else criticize you because they are jealous.

 

[Red Dawn]

saying it was our fault and that we deserved 9/11.

If I recall correctly the only Americans who said it was out fault was Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Actually, RD, there were more than that. There was someone on Anandtech who actually said it in a posting and I argued rabidly with the SOB, but I'll be damned if I can recall who it was.

Jason

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: Shanti

Originally posted by: ELP
Shanti,

how old are you?

Is this a serious question or an attempt to discredit my opinions based on my age?
I've found it quite common because of the anonymity of the internet, for people who have no argument, to try to play the age card by calling people kids.

32 by the way.
And married with 3 kids and two college degrees.

It's one thing to argue with some who might know what they are talking, but its another thing to argue with a 17 year old kid who is just spouting off whatever he was told by his father. I see you edited your title. When you labeled liberals as Saddam sympathizers and Saddam as their "leader," it was very characteristic of some kid wanting attention.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Ummm, what?
Look, you can go back to whatever century you want and base your definition of a word on what it meant at that time.
Today's liberals, and those of the past 100 years, are absolutely the opposite of libertarians.
Liberals support social welfare, libertarians don't.
Liberals support public education, libertarians don't.
Liberals support socialized medicine, libertarians don't.
Liberals want to highly regulate firearms ownership, libertarians don't.

About the only issue libertarians and liberals agree on is abortion.

Many libertarians vote Republican because it is closer to their views.

Actually that's a very common misconception about Libertarians. Libertarians are *far* closer to Liberals on most issues (you mentioned almost exclusively economic issues above) of Civil Liberties in particular. If you want me to point out dissimilarities between Conservatives and Libertarians, for example, I can do that easily:

Conservatives want to force you not to use drugs, Libertarians want you to have the right to use them if you want (or as I see it, you should CHOOSE not to use them)
Conservatives want women to be barred from abortions, Libertarians want women to have the choice
Conservatives want to prevent genetic research, Libertarians want the research done
Conservatives don't want you to fvck someone of the same gender, Libertarians don't care WHO you fvck
Conservatives want you to go to jail if you have anal sex with your WIFE at HOME in PRIVATE, Libertarians say Lube her up and take her to town.

See, you can differentiate Libertarians from Conservatives just as easily as from modern Liberals. I'll tell you flat out though: When it comes to individual Civil Liberties, we Libertarians don't trust you Conservatives any further than we can throw you because we KNOW you want to steal our Natural Rights.

Jason

 

[heartsurgeon]

That's pretty funny, somehow Dow 10,000 is a magic number that says economy is all good? Why not talk about NASDAQ which hit 5000 in March of 2000 but still have not break 2000 now, what does that say?
And also economy grows at 8% for how long, a quarter? Oh yeah that sure makes this economy strongest ever.
Jobless claim dropping? Is it dropping enough to recover all 2.5 million job lost since Bush took over?
Saddam Hussien captured? Yay, good job for the American troops over there but still haven't change the fact that we were there for the WMD and we haven't found jack. And we still don't know if all the unnecessary dying, both American soldiers and Iraqis, gonna continue after this.

yep..just like i said, liberals are in a funk...
now lets review some facts..
yes, Dow 10,000 is good. this means our corporations are well capitalized and increasing in profitability, would you rather the Dow be 1000? As for the Nasdaq..it represented the worst of the Internet Bubble. To expect it to reach back to 5000 at this point is irrational.
yes 8% quarterly growth is the strongest in twenty years, explain to me what is wrong with that?
2.5 million jobs lost since Bush took over..according to who?, you don't even have your facts correct.

according to the U.S. Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics, 2.6 million more people are employed now, than when President Bush took office.
you didn't know that did you?
average hourly wages have risen from $14.02/hr to $15.46/hr. (remember, inflation is low, the prime rate is at historic lows, this means people have better paying jobs!!!, and more people can afford homes!!!)
you didn't know that either did you?

138.6 million people are employed as of nov 2003 versus 136.0 million as of Jan 2001 - that is an increase in jobs (don't you kids learn subtraction anymore in school?)

the total number of people seeking employment has increased from 142 million (jan 2001) to 146.6 million (nov 2003)
in spite of a "recession" the economy grew enough to generate jobs for some, but not all of these people, and therefore unemployment rose from 4.2% to 5.9%

it is a complete falsehood to state that 2.5 million jobs were lost since Bush took office.

want the real facts...try reading the actual reports yourself...
2003 labor department report
2001 labor department report

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Nice post, HS, nice post.

Jason

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Nice post, HS, nice post.

Jason

If you believe HS's post then you are just as easily brainwashed as the rest of the Bush Loyalist NeoCon Zombies.

Look further, seek the truth.