My concern for the Wii

[GundamSonicZeroX]

Alright, we all know that the Wii has the lowest-ended hardware out of the three consoles. And this means the graphics won't be as great as the PS3/X360. My concern is that the average Joe doesn't know that and the Joes (and Janes mind you) will demand for better graphics as time progresses and since the Wii is not that powerful (I believe that it's said the Hollywood GPU is equivalent to a ATI Radeon 9800 Pro.) the games will get slower and the performance will suffer. And this will lead to bad games like what Killzone was for the PS2.


Thanks for reading.

EDIT: I'm mostly talking about low/staggering FPS.

 

[pontifex]

 

[waggy]

so what? if someone is to fvcking lazy to do some quick research then to fvcking bad.

as for graphics they are not that bad. Wii sports and Zelda are very good. though COD3 suck

 

[isekii]

No offense but have you seen the Zelda screenshots and what not ?

I find it perfectly satisfactory.

 

[tweakmm]

Good graphics do not a good game make.

 

[potato28]

... This is the Wii your talking about right? Nintendo made the Wii in hopes of gameplay mechanics being redeveloped, not for the maximum graphical power... and Nintendo probably has something in development thats gonna blow our minds next gen(like the next gen Gameboy).

 

[loup garou]

Go see a doctor if you're concerned about your wii.

 

[Rogodin2]

This isn't a valid argument for whatever you're trying to posit.

Rogo

 

[SlitheryDee]

The games won't get slower if they don't try to make them too graphically intensive for the Wii to handle. It would be dumb for Wii developers to do that anyway when the console is obviously designed to be gameplay oriented rather than graphically oriented.

The fact that the Wii's hardware limitations will be hit rather early on "should" force developers to spend all that money and time that they would have spent polishing the graphics on increased/improved gameplay elements.

 

[CravenTacos]

i suppose this may be true for multi-platform games that aren't specifically designed for the Wii, but considering the majority of the games of current and future releases are so who cares.

stop over-geeking and enjoy

 

[ElFenix]

low development costs and the fact that N is making money on every console sold may mean that N can bring out a new console in a shorter time frame, as long as it remains backwards compatible...

 

[dguy6789]

The Gamecube GPU is not even as powerful as a Radeon 8500 level card. The Wii GPU is the same exact hardware, but increased in clock speed from 162 to 243Mhz. Even at this speed, the GPU would at absolute best case be not quite twice as fast as an 8500, which in itself is less than 1/4 as fast as a 9700, let alone a 9800.

The Wii was not made to break any hardware records. The console is about gameplay.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: tweakmm
Good graphics do not a good game make.

yeap.

sick of games that push FMV with great graphics but the game itself sucks. most RPG"s are going that way now. though DQ8 was a nice change

 

[thehstrybean]

You have 666 post at the time that I read this...

I believe that this has something to do with your post quality...

 

[GundamSonicZeroX]

Originally posted by: isekii
No offense but have you seen the Zelda screenshots and what not ?

I find it perfectly satisfactory.

I remember some early '04 I think. I'll go look at them again.

Originally posted by: tweakmm
Good graphics do not a good game make.

Yes, but bad FPS can ruin a game.

Originally posted by: loup garou
Go see a doctor if you're concerned about your wii.

Yeah, I guess 'concerned' isn't really the right word.
Must.
Avoid.
Innuendo.

Originally posted by: thehstrybean
You have 666 post at the time that I read this...

I believe that this has something to do with your post quality...

I'm not sure how to take the bottom part. I'll take it neutrally.
As for the 666th post.
NNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
I WASTED IT!!!!
/drama queen.

 

[RichUK]

A console is always only as good as its games.

The game is the majority of the time, only as good as its game play.

Therefore the high graphical content of a game, is not what satisfies the end user.

This is the ideology which the Wii had already been created around. The target audience differs in this respect when put up against the PS3 and 360.

I sold my 360 after 10 months of ownership, solely because every single game I bought, I was bored of in less than 30 minutes.

The high user interaction is the Wii?s main selling point, not its graphical processing power.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: GundamSonicZeroX
Alright, we all know that the Wii has the lowest-ended hardware out of the three consoles. And this means the graphics won't be as great as the PS3/X360. My concern is that the average Joe doesn't know that and the Joes (and Janes mind you) will demand for better graphics as time progresses and since the Wii is not that powerful (I believe that it's said the Hollywood GPU is equivalent to a ATI Radeon 9800 Pro.) the games will get slower and the performance will suffer. And this will lead to bad games like what Killzone was for the PS2.


Thanks for reading.

Average joe and jane could not care less about graphics, which is exactly why it's succeeding in the first place.

4-5 years from now, thats not going to change - they still won't care.

All they need is graphics that are good enough. Thats disappointing to some of us - I'd have paid $600 for a Wii as powerful as a 360 or PS3 - but thats just me.

The last gen systems were sort of a watershed moment - 3d hardware was powerful enough that the games didnt look absolutely retarded like ps1 and n64 games did, enough power to make decent graphics, especially with good art direction. And thats enough for most people.

 

[wetcat007]

Bad graphics=bad games??? When did that happen? Doom 1 and 2 were much better than 3 for example, and I still play Doom 1 and 2. Which one has better graphics? Graphics do not make a game, some people who don't care to actually enjoy the games think they do. Will the graphics not being up to the PS3 or 360 potentially harm sales? The nongamer media(ie newspapers and such) has been reviewing on graphics alone from what I've seen in many cases, so perhaps it will. It will not however effect their ability to create a good game.

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: GundamSonicZeroX
Alright, we all know that the Wii has the lowest-ended hardware out of the three consoles. And this means the graphics won't be as great as the PS3/X360. My concern is that the average Joe doesn't know that and the Joes (and Janes mind you) will demand for better graphics as time progresses and since the Wii is not that powerful (I believe that it's said the Hollywood GPU is equivalent to a ATI Radeon 9800 Pro.) the games will get slower and the performance will suffer. And this will lead to bad games like what Killzone was for the PS2.


Thanks for reading.

Average joe and jane could not care less about graphics, which is exactly why it's succeeding in the first place.

4-5 years from now, thats not going to change - they still won't care.

All they need is graphics that are good enough. Thats disappointing to some of us - I'd have paid $600 for a Wii as powerful as a 360 or PS3 - but thats just me.

The last gen systems were sort of a watershed moment - 3d hardware was powerful enough that the games didnt look absolutely retarded like ps1 and n64 games did, enough power to make decent graphics, especially with good art direction. And thats enough for most people.

Yeah I agree, Average Joe won't care because Average Joe doesn't care, otherwise they would be Not Your Average Joe (which is a great restaurant in Boston btw!).

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: wetcat007
Bad graphics=bad games??? When did that happen? Doom 1 and 2 were much better than 3 for example, and I still play Doom 1 and 2. Which one has better graphics? Graphics do not make a game, some people who don't care to actually enjoy the games think they do. Will the graphics not being up to the PS3 or 360 potentially harm sales? The nongamer media(ie newspapers and such) has been reviewing on graphics alone from what I've seen in many cases, so perhaps it will. It will not however effect their ability to create a good game.

you still play doom 1 and 2, ohhh you are sooo cool!

i only play commander keen

 

[GundamSonicZeroX]

So basically I misjudged average Joe and Jane.
Well, I made a stupid thread.

 

[secretanchitman]

coincidence...i was reading an almost similar thread on the neogaf forums literally a minute ago.

gameplay > graphics IMO.

speaking of which, i just got the component cables for my wii. i can say the graphics are better (no blurriness on HDTVs, especially on the 1080p projector we have) as it is running in 480p, there is quite a bit more aliasing, compared to a 480i blurry anti-aliased image.

bad graphics != bad games. you can say that zelda ocarina of time has outdated graphics, but look at the scores. the major review sites gave it a 10/10. its probably the best game of all time.

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: wetcat007
Bad graphics=bad games??? When did that happen? Doom 1 and 2 were much better than 3 for example, and I still play Doom 1 and 2. Which one has better graphics? Graphics do not make a game, some people who don't care to actually enjoy the games think they do. Will the graphics not being up to the PS3 or 360 potentially harm sales? The nongamer media(ie newspapers and such) has been reviewing on graphics alone from what I've seen in many cases, so perhaps it will. It will not however effect their ability to create a good game.

you still play doom 1 and 2, ohhh you are sooo cool!

i only play commander keen

Best. Game. Ever! btw did you see that old thread I had on running it on modern PCs/Macs?

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: secretanchitman
coincidence...i was reading an almost similar thread on the neogaf forums literally a minute ago.

gameplay > graphics IMO.

speaking of which, i just got the component cables for my wii. i can say the graphics are better (no blurriness on HDTVs, especially on the 1080p projector we have) as it is running in 480p, there is quite a bit more aliasing, compared to a 480i blurry anti-aliased image.

bad graphics != bad games. you can say that zelda ocarina of time has outdated graphics, but look at the scores. the major review sites gave it a 10/10. its probably the best game of all time.

I totally agree. You can be playing a 360 or PS3 game and it can still stink, despite looking awesome. For example, Mario Kart on the GameCube is an awesomely fun game but the graphics are nothing near stellar.

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: GundamSonicZeroX
So basically I misjudged average Joe and Jane.
Well, I made a stupid thread.

Nah, you're just probably not familiar with the target market. Half the people I know who have young kids have a GameCube and they don't even understand cheap vs. awesome graphics, they just understand "Mario Baseball" or "Mario Kart Racing". Not just that, but even adults aren't always into super graphics - my wife won't play Halo or anything with me, but she's happy to play Super Mario 3 for SNES for hours and hours.