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My college wants me to take intro to computing; I'm a system administrator.

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OverVolt

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my group are those people who still utilize logon scripting, and are so out of touch with technology that it's scary. I don't blame them really, they're about 20-30yr older than I am and are pretty much set in their archaic ways. A sysad we interviewed last year hadnt done anything with virtualization or any type of automation process. No esx experience. This should be a base requirement for ANYONE who's looking beyond helpdesk as a profession.


Sounds like you've been at the same job for way too long. There is so much more out there than what your one company does with computers. If you can learn one skill of equal difficulty at one job, you can learn something else at a new company just as easily.

I'd walk out of an interview wherever it is that you work. You might as well try hiring ex-employees.
 

Carson Dyle

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Oh, yeah. And welcome to a dead-end career in corporate IT. System administration? That's actually a job that someone aspires to and studies for??

If you're as intelligent as you claim, go back to school and get an engineering degree.
 

Thebobo

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Mouse: Input or output?

Interesting you say that, it reminds me. We have fire alarm panels at work where you upload/download the programs into the equipment from a laptop. Equipment manuals etc call transferring data from your equipment uploading while to me I would call it downloading just like downloading a file to your computer on the internet. Why are the different?
 

CZroe

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Interesting you say that, it reminds me. We have fire alarm panels at work where you upload/download the programs into the equipment from a laptop. Equipment manuals etc call transferring data from your equipment uploading while to me I would call it downloading just like downloading a file to your computer on the internet. Why are the different?

Upload/Download has always been perspective based, especially between peers (it isn't always client/server). Where the lines blur you could always just say "load."
 

Carson Dyle

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With a 6 figure salary and no college debt I think I"m doing just find with my shitty dead-end career.

Not seven figures? Loser. ;)

Obviously, IT spans quite a few different career paths. It's the corporate tech support, sysadmin, network admin role that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

If you're doing well in such a job, more power to you.
 
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angminas

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Perhaps I should Stephen Hawking's voice synthesizer.

Yes, you definitely should it.

As above, the best way to learn is to teach. Find a way to get it on your resume. Maybe you can get named an assistant or something.
 

OutHouse

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Oh, yeah. And welcome to a dead-end career in corporate IT. System administration? That's actually a job that someone aspires to and studies for??

If you're as intelligent as you claim, go back to school and get an engineering degree.

I am a sys admin and i make pretty decent money, probably more than you do. far from a dead-end career as you say.
 

Zorba

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you say you hate these cources and are annoyed that all students have to take them but as someone who has been working for 10 years you would not believe the number of new hires we have who have NO FUCKING IDEA HOW A COMPUTER WORKS!

Exactly, I work with a ton of new hire engineers that have no earthly idea how to use a computer. Some can't even do a formula in Excel, which I have no idea how you get out of engineering school without using basic Excel.

There should be a way to CLEP or take something more advanced instead, but it would be nice if new hires could at least use knew how to do something in Office and knew how to map a network drive.
 

Carson Dyle

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I'm trying to fathom why anyone would think the use of Excel would be a requirement in any engineering course..

On the other hand, someone getting an associates degree to be an administrative assistant (erm, secretary), sure, lots of Excel and Word and PowerPoint. And how to make coffee and order Chinese.
 

jlee

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I'm trying to fathom why anyone would think the use of Excel would be a requirement in any engineering course..

On the other hand, someone getting an associates degree to be an administrative assistant (erm, secretary), sure, lots of Excel and Word and PowerPoint. And how to make coffee and order Chinese.

Really?
 

BurnItDwn

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If the professor or dean or whoever you talk to doesn't approve independent study/research, they might have an alternate, more challenging class you could take instead... There's always more you can learn about shell scripting, you could study awk forever and still there would be some neat tricks left to learn..
 

LevelSea

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I'm trying to fathom why anyone would think the use of Excel would be a requirement in any engineering course..

On the other hand, someone getting an associates degree to be an administrative assistant (erm, secretary), sure, lots of Excel and Word and PowerPoint. And how to make coffee and order Chinese.
lol
 

dullard

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I'm trying to fathom why anyone would think the use of Excel would be a requirement in any engineering course..

On the other hand, someone getting an associates degree to be an administrative assistant (erm, secretary), sure, lots of Excel and Word and PowerPoint. And how to make coffee and order Chinese.
My wife and I are both chemical engineers. Both of us have Excel open at work pretty much 100% of the time.

I tend to use it more for data crunching / analysis and she uses it more for budgets and communications with vendors. But still, Excel is probably our most important tool.

Sure I have used Mathcad, Maple, Fluent, Wolfram Alpha, Prism, and my own custom codes in C, C++, C#, VB.NET, VB6 to do my math. But, it is Excel that keeps bringing me back due to its being pretty powerful and quick. The solver feature on Excel is probably an Engineer's best friend. Sadly, Microsoft buries it in the Add-in feature that you have to enable. But once an engineer finds it, they will never go back to almost anything else.
 

ImpulsE69

Lifer
Jan 8, 2010
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my group are those people who still utilize logon scripting, and are so out of touch with technology that it's scary. I don't blame them really, they're about 20-30yr older than I am and are pretty much set in their archaic ways. A sysad we interviewed last year hadnt done anything with virtualization or any type of automation process. No esx experience. This should be a base requirement for ANYONE who's looking beyond helpdesk as a profession.

Because every company uses ESX? While it's nice it shouldn't be required. Most jobs are too compartmentalized to matter. I do envy those with better scripting skills than me though.
 

sdifox

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Interesting you say that, it reminds me. We have fire alarm panels at work where you upload/download the programs into the equipment from a laptop. Equipment manuals etc call transferring data from your equipment uploading while to me I would call it downloading just like downloading a file to your computer on the internet. Why are the different?

Cuz the computer is uploading. And the equipment is downloading.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
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I'm trying to fathom why anyone would think the use of Excel would be a requirement in any engineering course..

On the other hand, someone getting an associates degree to be an administrative assistant (erm, secretary), sure, lots of Excel and Word and PowerPoint. And how to make coffee and order Chinese.

You'll be surprised by how many SMBs run on excel.
 

Jeff7

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I'm trying to fathom why anyone would think the use of Excel would be a requirement in any engineering course..

On the other hand, someone getting an associates degree to be an administrative assistant (erm, secretary), sure, lots of Excel and Word and PowerPoint. And how to make coffee and order Chinese.
I'd be kind of worried if we hired an engineer or engineering intern who didn't know their way around Excel.

Either they've got a freaky brain, or else they're not going to be terribly efficient at their job, at least where I work.
Excel is in the same "pry it from my cold, dead fingers" category as my TI-89 calculator.




I thought I had a grasp on the basics but my eyes were opened some time in the first week when they told me the difference between clicking and dragging.

I'm glad I didn't skip it.
Did you ever try the really advanced shit, like middle click? You think it's impossible and you'll never get the hang of it, but goddamn it's amazing to see it in action.



not in IT but we get both ends of the spectrum here, the people who don't know shit about anything and the people who need to take a step back from tech,

the 2nd group are the ones that get pissed off at corp America when they realize we are stuck in the past decade, your work comp is prob a hand-me down from Dell or HP, you have to use IE and your USB ports may well be disabled

also get used to that 19" monitor because that's all you get
o_O
Ouch.

I had a crappy computer for awhile. (It was high-end, 8 years before I got it.)
After enough complaining about it, the department manager had IT build me something worthy of Mordor. :D
I helped pick some components. For awhile, it was quite bit faster than my PC at home. I never thought I'd see that happen. Oh, and IT lets some of us have admin-level rights. :awe: I can actually use the computer! Imagine that. A system that's locked-down, set to nothing but defaults, is like outfitting a surgeon with mittens and safety scissors, crippling an otherwise useful tool.



My wife and I are both chemical engineers. Both of us have Excel open at work pretty much 100% of the time.

I tend to use it more for data crunching / analysis and she uses it more for budgets and communications with vendors. But still, Excel is probably our most important tool.

Sure I have used Mathcad, Maple, Fluent, Wolfram Alpha, Prism, and my own custom codes in C, C++, C#, VB.NET, VB6 to do my math. But, it is Excel that keeps bringing me back due to its being pretty powerful and quick. The solver feature on Excel is probably an Engineer's best friend. Sadly, Microsoft buries it in the Add-in feature that you have to enable. But once an engineer finds it, they will never go back to almost anything else.
Among other things, I'll use it to create strings of commands in EAGLE. (Midrange circuitboard schematic/board-editor software.)
Space a bunch of parts evenly, rotate them in sequence, rotate according to position....yes, Excel can do that. Assemble the coordinates and part names, splice them together with some IF statements to make strings, then copy/paste the commands into EAGLE.

Or take advantage of its built-in graphing capabilities: Someone at work created an external program to slice up a text file containing data to analyze, then it spits out a multi-megabyte CSV file, and finally it instructs Excel to open that file and generate a bunch of easily-editable graphs of the data.
 
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Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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I'm trying to fathom why anyone would think the use of Excel would be a requirement in any engineering course..

On the other hand, someone getting an associates degree to be an administrative assistant (erm, secretary), sure, lots of Excel and Word and PowerPoint. And how to make coffee and order Chinese.

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