My cat is thinning the neighborhood bird population

[Xionide]

Do not rope your cat unless you want to find it hung the next day.

-Xionide

 

[Xionide]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: OFFascist
Why dont you just let the cat be?

We have an indoor/outdoor cat. We let him come and go as he pleases. If he is out hunting birds or something is outhunting him then so be it. Thats life.

Its cruel to mutilate animals, it is also cruel to keep them locked up inside all the time.

Explain the cruelity.

STFU troll.

-Xionide

 

[Banana]

Unfortunately, in some areas, cats are devastating native species. I'm glad you neutered your predator. Now defang it. You can leave the claws 😛

 

[Azraele]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: OFFascist
Why dont you just let the cat be?

We have an indoor/outdoor cat. We let him come and go as he pleases. If he is out hunting birds or something is outhunting him then so be it. Thats life.

Its cruel to mutilate animals, it is also cruel to keep them locked up inside all the time.

Explain the cruelity.

As far as declawing goes, it is considered to be cruel. Imagine having your fingers chopped off at the first joint. Sure you can still function, but it's unpleasant.

It is considered so cruel by many that the practice is outlawed in areas.

As far as the inside thing goes, I don't think it's cruel at all unless perhaps the cat is already acclimated to outdoor life and is unhappy at being made an indoor animal.

 

[gururu]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: alkemystIt's not a smart thing to do to an outdoor cat nonetheless, however; having an outdoor cat is not smart either.

Well, he was outdoors when we found him. The cat was abandoned near where I work. He's a really nice cat, very pleasant and affectionate. You tell me how to keep an outdoor cat indoors. It's damned near impossible.

I have an indoor cat (she has her claws BTW) and would prefer that he stay indoors but whenever I open the door he shoots right out there. I have a young son who likes to keep the door to the back yard open so he can go in and out and I have a dog who also goes in the back yard (fenced in).

I'm not getting him declawed. The only time I would even consider that is while the cat is still a kitten and I don't think I could do it quite frankly. Just seems cruel to me to declaw a cat. That's just my personal opinion though.

you're a good man.:beer:

if I were you I'd put a water bath in the front yard and break out the video camera.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: apac
How the hell is a cat bib supposed to stop it from eating birds?

Your cat saw the Carl's Jr. commerical. The bib stops it from getting all over the place, so it doesn't belong in their face.

 

[Yo Ma Ma]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
He has a collar with a bell on it but he still seems to be able to catch and eat birds.

I can't lock him inside at night because he howls all night and keeps us up. He's neutered already so at least I don't have to worry about him making kittens while he's out.

If he could get to the pigeons I wouldn't have a problem with it. Damn sky rats. I wish he was eating those filthy creatures.

I purposely keep our cats in because of the birds. Cats will protest at first but it will get better. They will probably never give up slipping through the door whenever they get a chance, though.

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: Azraele
A bigger bell on the collar might work, or you could buy kitty some new toys to play with so he'll play with those intstead of birds.

MORE COWBELLS I SAY!

LOL, yeah tie a cowbell on your cat, that will put a dent in his/her hunting abilities!

 

[Yo Ma Ma]

Originally posted by: OFFascist
Why dont you just let the cat be?

We have an indoor/outdoor cat. We let him come and go as he pleases. If he is out hunting birds or something is outhunting him then so be it. Thats life.

Its cruel to mutilate animals, it is also cruel to keep them locked up inside all the time.

Yes, if you were keeping them locked up in an oven or something, but safe inside house is better for cat and outdoor wildlife.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Yo_Ma-Ma

Originally posted by: OFFascist
Why dont you just let the cat be?

We have an indoor/outdoor cat. We let him come and go as he pleases. If he is out hunting birds or something is outhunting him then so be it. Thats life.

Its cruel to mutilate animals, it is also cruel to keep them locked up inside all the time.

Yes, if you were keeping them locked up in an oven or something, but safe inside house is better for cat and outdoor wildlife.

Agreed. House (hell, apartment) != small cage.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: Yo_Ma-Ma

Originally posted by: OFFascist
Why dont you just let the cat be?

We have an indoor/outdoor cat. We let him come and go as he pleases. If he is out hunting birds or something is outhunting him then so be it. Thats life.

Its cruel to mutilate animals, it is also cruel to keep them locked up inside all the time.

Yes, if you were keeping them locked up in an oven or something, but safe inside house is better for cat and outdoor wildlife.

You going to guarantee that for the cats life?

<--- sees lots of strays that weren't at one point...

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: Yo_Ma-Ma

Originally posted by: OFFascist
Why dont you just let the cat be?

We have an indoor/outdoor cat. We let him come and go as he pleases. If he is out hunting birds or something is outhunting him then so be it. Thats life.

Its cruel to mutilate animals, it is also cruel to keep them locked up inside all the time.

Yes, if you were keeping them locked up in an oven or something, but safe inside house is better for cat and outdoor wildlife.

You going to guarantee that for the cats life?

<--- sees lots of strays that weren't at one point...

If they are strays, then
A. They got out (making them an outdoor cat would not have helped, they are too dumb to find their way home and would have gotten lost earlier)
B. Someone dumped them.

Neither argument has a bearing on this conversation. Being safe inside a house is still better.

 

[alkemyst]

another thing that people fail to realize is the domesticated cat of today is alot different most times than the feral cat that used to live on farms 50-100 years ago. These animals for generations lived solely outdoors and fended for themselves....many weren't very petable.

People think releasing any animal into the wild is ok since it's an animal and that's where animals live. It's akin to taking an american teen and releasing them in the heart of the amazon since other 'teens' thrive there. He'd be slaughtered pretty quick. 1) definitely an easy food source more than likely walking straight up to it's soon to be predator and 2) a potential competitor of a wild member of the species food stock...they will kill quickly to prevent a loss of their own prey.

It's the same with caged turtles, snakes, reptiles and rodents....none of them usually make it past a year once they have been 'pets'.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Azraele
As far as declawing goes, it is considered to be cruel. Imagine having your fingers chopped off at the first joint. Sure you can still function, but it's unpleasant.

It is considered so cruel by many that the practice is outlawed in areas.

As far as the inside thing goes, I don't think it's cruel at all unless perhaps the cat is already acclimated to outdoor life and is unhappy at being made an indoor animal.

See my post above explaining this. A human's first joint and a cat's may be comparatively similar, but very different in purpose to each.

edit: there is also a non-bone removal method I mentioned, it involves paralyzing the toe to prevent the nail extending....the paw is mostly indentically functioning then, but the nails need to be clipped still.

As far as outlawing that is true in about a dozen european nations where cats normally roam free. Again it's a different world over there.

PETA has mostly brought forth these campaigns with misinformation that sounds plausible to the animal uneducated.

 

[MikeMike]

my dog thinned the rabbit population the other day somehow, she is 15-16 years old and caught a damn rabbit.

MIKE

 

[Slickone]

Someone told me when they had their cats declawed last year, they had something new where they gave an injection into the paw that numbed it for a day or two. One paw got infected, but after that all seems fine. They bite each other in the neck pretty hard when playing (until one screams...I guess saying I give up), but I think they were doing that before getting declawed.

 

[Iron Woode]

Here are the countries that have banned or refuse to declaw cats:

England
Scotland
Wales
Italy
France
Germany
Austria
Switzerland
Norway
Sweden
Netherlands
Northern Ireland
Ireland
Denmark
Finland
Slovenia
Portugal
Belgium
Spain
Brazil
Australia
New Zealand
Yugoslavia
Israel
Japan

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: gururu

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: alkemystIt's not a smart thing to do to an outdoor cat nonetheless, however; having an outdoor cat is not smart either.

Well, he was outdoors when we found him. The cat was abandoned near where I work. He's a really nice cat, very pleasant and affectionate. You tell me how to keep an outdoor cat indoors. It's damned near impossible.

I have an indoor cat (she has her claws BTW) and would prefer that he stay indoors but whenever I open the door he shoots right out there. I have a young son who likes to keep the door to the back yard open so he can go in and out and I have a dog who also goes in the back yard (fenced in).

I'm not getting him declawed. The only time I would even consider that is while the cat is still a kitten and I don't think I could do it quite frankly. Just seems cruel to me to declaw a cat. That's just my personal opinion though.

you're a good man.:beer:

if I were you I'd put a water bath in the front yard and break out the video camera.

Hehehe, good idea. Personally, I could care less if he kill birds. It does upset my wife though. For some reason she gets freaked out by dead bird carcasses. I think her cats used to bring them home and hide them under her bed when she was a child.

He isn't killing them for food though because he eats every freakin' thing in the house. He eats his food, he eats the other cat's food, he even eats the dog's food. The bird carcasses I've found are somewhat chewed on but not devoured. He's not killing them because he's hungry. He is getting fat though and I've started removing the dog's food after she's done with it so he won't get in it.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: farmercal
Worms get eaten by birds and birds get eaten by cats. It is the way it has to be. If you stop your cat from eating the birds, you will throw the natural balance off.

They can still climb trees, they can still hunt successfully, they can still defend themselves, etc.

FYI my neighbor saw his de-clawed (the previous owner de-clawed him) cat get beaten up by a squirrel. That's embarrassing for a cat!

Exactly. If the cats stops killing birds, then there will be fewer birds to keep the booming worm population in check. Before we know it, with the worms' population growth-rate becoming increasingly exponential, we'll be wading through rivers of worms. But, with all these trophic levels thrown off, the worms will become over populous. Earth will not be able to support the bursting numbers, and the population will crash from a lack of resources. Then, as they decompose, they will release an excessive level of toxic gases into the atmosphere, reducing the quality of air that we breath as well as tearing even larger holes into the ozone. The toxic levels and radiation will become fatal and we will all die as a result of YOU not letting your cat do what it's supposed to.

Way to go buddy, see you in hell. 😛

 

[OFFascist]

Originally posted by: Azraele
As far as the inside thing goes, I don't think it's cruel at all unless perhaps the cat is already acclimated to outdoor life and is unhappy at being made an indoor animal.

Yeah the declawing is obvious.

I think keeping an animal locked indoors all the time is cruel. Would you like to be locked inside all the time?

I've never known any animal that would prefer to be inside all the time, thus I feel keeping one inside all the time is cruel.

Usually we keep our dogs outside, but like I said before our cat comes and goes as it pleases.

 

[OFFascist]

Originally posted by: So
If they are strays, then
A. They got out (making them an outdoor cat would not have helped, they are too dumb to find their way home and would have gotten lost earlier)

Sounds like bullshit to me. I've seen our cat a few blocks over, we've had him for over 5 years now, he always comes back when he wants to. Cats do know thier way home.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: OFFascist

Originally posted by: So
If they are strays, then
A. They got out (making them an outdoor cat would not have helped, they are too dumb to find their way home and would have gotten lost earlier)

Sounds like bullshit to me. I've seen our cat a few blocks over, we've had him for over 5 years now, he always comes back when he wants to. Cats do know thier way home.

An indoor cat that has never been outside before? I doubt that.

 

[OFFascist]

Originally posted by: So
An indoor cat that has never been outside before? I doubt that.

Well my aunt who owns the cat started letting him go outside on his own several months after he was born, when she thought he was old enough.

 

do you people who leave your cats outside make sure they stay in YOUR yard?

 

[OFFascist]

Originally posted by: jntdesign
do you people who leave your cats outside make sure they stay in YOUR yard?

Nope.

 

Originally posted by: OFFascist

Originally posted by: jntdesign
do you people who leave your cats outside make sure they stay in YOUR yard?

Nope.

hope you don't get pissed when your cat gets
- run over
- shot
- kicked
- poisoned
- captured by animal control