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LennyZ

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I used to have a 100g setup,if i ever win the lottery i'm
setting up a 10,000g reef in my house.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: Rubycon
Originally posted by: mooncancook
remind me of my saltwater thank I used to have. I had a shrimp (look more like a lobster but small like a shrimp) that digs around under the rocks. I bought a star fish into my tank and that shrimp cut it into pieces.

That's because shrimps are mean mofos. ;)

Pistol shrimp have one MEAN claw that can make such a noise it can stun its prey. Some believe the shockwave it creates can fracture the aquarium glass but I think that may be stretching things a bit.

Mantis Shrimp have broken tanks and split fingers wide open. Neat little buggers.

And they're devilishly smart as well.
 

trmiv

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Originally posted by: Wuffsunie


The skimmer is your next vital purchase. Do NOT go cheap on that! I have a Deltec (this one) that while looks expensive is worth every penny. I went through several different, cheaper, makes before, and I WISH I had just spent the money up front. It's a set and forget (and clean), just fantastic quality piece of hardware. You can look into other makes, but Deltec stuff is the best bang for the buck, IMO.

Lighting and circulation pumps depend on what you want to stalk it with. Cheapest tank is just an all fish tank. That way you can have angel fish and other beautiful ones that will nip at/eat corals and such, and you only have to light them enough to see well. At the other end of the spectrum is a high flow, stony coral (SPS) tank demands either metal halide or T5 lighting, and good pumps (possibly a wave box), in addition to various reactors to control calcium and other chemicals in the tank. Variants with soft coals fall in between the two somewhere depending again on how elaborate you want to go.

Deltec AP600, that's what I have on my 90. I went through three other skimmers before I bought the Deltec (ASM, AquaC, Octopus), would have saved money just buying the Deltec from the start. I'll probably sell this AP600 and get an Eheim based Deltec or an Eheim based H&S when I setup my bigger tank.

My new tank will be just LPS and softies though. If I ever do SPS again it will be an SPS ONLY tank, I'm tired of trying to do mixed tanks. Plus I want to cut back the energy use and go with T5's or lower wattage halide (I have 2x250 now).
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: trmiv
Originally posted by: Wuffsunie


The skimmer is your next vital purchase. Do NOT go cheap on that! I have a Deltec (this one) that while looks expensive is worth every penny. I went through several different, cheaper, makes before, and I WISH I had just spent the money up front. It's a set and forget (and clean), just fantastic quality piece of hardware. You can look into other makes, but Deltec stuff is the best bang for the buck, IMO.

Lighting and circulation pumps depend on what you want to stalk it with. Cheapest tank is just an all fish tank. That way you can have angel fish and other beautiful ones that will nip at/eat corals and such, and you only have to light them enough to see well. At the other end of the spectrum is a high flow, stony coral (SPS) tank demands either metal halide or T5 lighting, and good pumps (possibly a wave box), in addition to various reactors to control calcium and other chemicals in the tank. Variants with soft coals fall in between the two somewhere depending again on how elaborate you want to go.

Deltec AP600, that's what I have on my 90. I went through three other skimmers before I bought the Deltec (ASM, AquaC, Octopus), would have saved money just buying the Deltec from the start. I'll probably sell this AP600 and get an Eheim based Deltec or an Eheim based H&S when I setup my bigger tank.

My new tank will be just LPS and softies though. If I ever do SPS again it will be an SPS ONLY tank, I'm tired of trying to do mixed tanks. Plus I want to cut back the energy use and go with T5's or lower wattage halide (I have 2x250 now).

Agree on don't skimp on the skimmer.

I've got a tank I'm getting ready to start up. A 75 gallon cube. It will be SPS dominated but there will be some LPS just because I like them so much.
 

BoomerD

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Keep a close eye on that one...the green ones are notorious fish eaters.

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/brittlestars.htm
"One species in common use warrants a statutory warning. This is the Green Brittle Star of the genus Ophiarachna. This animal is a predatory fish eater, that does indeed do a spiffy janitorial job when small... but grows quickly, and under darkness of night can/does learn to eat aquarium fishes. This species has been documented to arch up in "sleeping caves" of captive fishes and drop down on unsuspecting meals. If you use this species, keep an eye on it, and a count on your piscine livestock."

I've seen them eat numerous small fish over the years...AFAIK, they're the ONLY members of the brittle star/serpent star families that are so prolific at this...
Nice pic btw...
 

Wuffsunie

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Originally posted by: trmiv
I'll probably sell this AP600 and get an Eheim based Deltec or an Eheim based H&S when I setup my bigger tank.
Eheim + Deltec :heart:. I think I'll go AP701 before the end of the year myself just because my tank is rather heavily stocked and I hate cleaning the cup every 3 days or so. Just need some more of that pesky money!
My new tank will be just LPS and softies though. If I ever do SPS again it will be an SPS ONLY tank, I'm tired of trying to do mixed tanks. Plus I want to cut back the energy use and go with T5's or lower wattage halide (I have 2x250 now).
Go T5s, better light distribution I've found and it still allows for higher intensity if you want clams and stuff. Halide tends to give you a more focused spot unless you have it high enough (a problem for me as I have to run with a canopy due to the goby [3 of the little bastards jumped previous setups]) which if you're running sufficiently deep gives the light penetration issues at lower wattages. Of course that's not as much an issue with LPS and softies. Really, the biggest trade off I've found with T5 is coral colouration, halides tend to give a richer, deeper colour. Or it could just be the bulb configuration I'm using.
Originally posted by: spidey07
I've got a tank I'm getting ready to start up. A 75 gallon cube. It will be SPS dominated but there will be some LPS just because I like them so much.
Sounds like it should be very nice! Be sure to post pictures.
 

BoomerD

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How about a Bubble King?

LOL! Deltec and H&S are about the best you can get for skimmers...well, except for the BK...but those are crazy spendy...
 

trmiv

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Wuffsunie, yea I'm considering T5's. I like them, but the only thing that might steer me away from them is the lack of the halide shimmer. I love the way halides look when they shimmer the water, you just can't get that from T5'. I might go with 175w halides on my next tank with Lumenarc reflectors.
 

JACKHAMMER

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Very cool. Does anyone have a link to a starter setup/info that they recommend? I have been wanting to do a salt water tank, but haven't done enough research.
 

trmiv

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Originally posted by: JACKHAMMER
Very cool. Does anyone have a link to a starter setup/info that they recommend? I have been wanting to do a salt water tank, but haven't done enough research.

Reefcentral Join the forums and read. Also, there is a good book call the "Conscientious Marine Aquarist" that i very informative for new reef keepers.
 

BoomerD

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I dunno about RC...just too dammed many flamers there to suit me Ted. While it IS the biggest, and has some of the best in the hobby, I'd recommend Reef Sanctuary for a beginner...NO ONE flames ANYONE there...and everyone is always happy to help the newbies get started right...

Talking about lights, whacha think about PFO's Solaris? I LIKE the idea of using LED's, and so far, they LOOK good...
For a good discussion on T-5's...
http://blogs.frags.org/member.php?uid=2561

some nice teaser pics:
http://blogs.frags.org/showblog.php?bid=1054
 

roguerower

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My friend has a saltwater tank and I never asked him what it took, but maybe you guys could explain the basics if it wasn't too much of a hassle?
 

trmiv

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
I dunno about RC...just too dammed many flamers there to suit me Ted. While it IS the biggest, and has some of the best in the hobby, I'd recommend Reef Sanctuary for a beginner...NO ONE flames ANYONE there...and everyone is always happy to help the newbies get started right...

Talking about lights, whacha think about PFO's Solaris? I LIKE the idea of using LED's, and so far, they LOOK good...
For a good discussion on T-5's...
http://blogs.frags.org/member.php?uid=2561

some nice teaser pics:
http://blogs.frags.org/showblog.php?bid=1054


Hey I figure if he can handle ATOT where derision is the status quo, he can handle RC just fine. :D But yea, those other sites are great.

The LED lights are interesting. I think in 5-10 years that will be the norm in reef lighting, but it's way to expensive for me right now.

I can't wait until I move and can get a new tank setup. My tanks have just gotten into a bad state since we started planning our cross-country move. Hard to be as hard-core on maintenance when you know you're getting rid of everything. I'm going to start selling whats left of my corals next week, then the fish and live rock after that.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: trmiv
Wuffsunie, yea I'm considering T5's. I like them, but the only thing that might steer me away from them is the lack of the halide shimmer. I love the way halides look when they shimmer the water, you just can't get that from T5'. I might go with 175w halides on my next tank with Lumenarc reflectors.

I will only use metal halides. That's just me though.

I want the freaking sun, and I want it in my house. As an avid diver and reefkeeper you wouldn't belive just how deep the sun actually penetrates on live reefs - especially in the 20-35 foot depth. It's their life blood.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: roguerower
My friend has a saltwater tank and I never asked him what it took, but maybe you guys could explain the basics if it wasn't too much of a hassle?

I'd be more than happy.

Here's a few things to keep in mind:

1) Research
2) Research and plan
3) Research somemore
4) Plan some more
5) You're creating a living coral reef
6) Be prepared to learn a ton, be prepared to have failures and know what to do
7) rinse and repeat

In all honesty it isn't that difficult. Just need to stay on top of things. One you let a reef tank slide, it quickly snowballs.
 

trmiv

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: trmiv
Wuffsunie, yea I'm considering T5's. I like them, but the only thing that might steer me away from them is the lack of the halide shimmer. I love the way halides look when they shimmer the water, you just can't get that from T5'. I might go with 175w halides on my next tank with Lumenarc reflectors.

I will only use metal halides. That's just me though.

I want the freaking sun, and I want it in my house. As an avid diver and reefkeeper you wouldn't belive just how deep the sun actually penetrates on live reefs - especially in the 20-35 foot depth. It's their life blood.

I've seen some very very nice T5 lit SPS tanks though, especially European tank where T5's are very popular. For my next tank with just LPS and softies, T5's are more than enough. Although I'll likely go with lower wattage halides though because I love the halide shimmer.
 

spacejamz

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Originally posted by: shabby
Has it ever done this to you?

no she hasn't :)

wow, lot of good stuff in this thread...

regarding my tank, it is definitely low budget...I have dabbled with aquariums for over 17 years (freshwater for 10 years and salt for the past 7)...

it is a 55 gallon tank I got a Petco in 2000 (roughly $500 for tank, stand and canopy)...

the lighting consists of two 65 w 50/50 bulbs (atinic/white bulbs) that ran about $250

CPR Bak Bak Protein Skimmer I got for around $100

Emperor 400 Power Filter I got for $80

and a powerhead for some added current (probably around $20)...

about 40 lbs of liverock (I probably paid around $5/lb shipped back in 2000)...

before we got the house, I was pretty diligent in my water changes (I swapped out about 10 gallons a month), but now I have been very bad about this :eek:...

I have a bunch of mushrooms and some polyps in addition to my clown and brittle(serpent) star in the tank...I cant believe how well the mushrooms have done over the years...

Video of said brittle star has been added to the OP...enjoy...


 

Wuffsunie

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
How about a Bubble King?
Well, if you've got money to burn ;)
I've actually seen one of those IRL. It was on like a 220 gallon display tank at this one store. They look really nice, very cleanly engineered, and are very quiet. And if you've already spent $10K on the hooker and have an extra $10K that you don't know what to do with, well, that's perfect :p
Originally posted by: trmiv
Wuffsunie, yea I'm considering T5's. I like them, but the only thing that might steer me away from them is the lack of the halide shimmer. I love the way halides look when they shimmer the water, you just can't get that from T5
Yeah, I know what you mean there. I love that effect myself. Alas, I can't get that any more on my current tank.
Originally posted by: JACKHAMMER
Very cool. Does anyone have a link to a starter setup/info that they recommend? I have been wanting to do a salt water tank, but haven't done enough research.
An interesting setup you might look into would be the Oceanic BioCube. Complete equipment self containment. I've heard interesting things about them and would kind of like to try one myself, but that darned peskey money thing... Anyway, you can get standard ones and even modded ones. Good for a more simplistic start.
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Talking about lights, whacha think about PFO's Solaris? I LIKE the idea of using LED's, and so far, they LOOK good...
Yeah, plus they have an almost infinite lifespan and very low power usage. Just they're almost triple the cost of the other current system, and even then they're still like first or second generation products. Probably in 10, maybe 5 years, they'll be a reliable replacement for T5, maybe even halide. For now, it's just not worth the expense, IMO.

spidey07 I would love to dive, I've love to get out to the ocean. But I'm stuck in the middle of Ontario and don't foresee being able to do something like that for a great many years. I hope to be able to get out there and see some of the great reefs before too long, though.

I'm rather surprised that the tank is a 55 gallon, though! Just the size of the star and the fact that everything is so close to the surface led me to believe it was a 20 gallon long (like this). I had run one briefly when I was getting started and it was near as crowded. (The difference between a standard high tank and a long tank is that 4" are taken from the hight and added to the length, for those wondering what it was). I guess that's also a factor of scale, as there wasn't anything to compare it to. The setup's not bad (the skimmer you're using was the first one I had, actually, back when I was working with a 20 gallon tank. I never really got it working well and the bubbles drive me nuts. The filter is a good offset for it, though I hope you're only using it for flow generation. The purpose of the biowheel in it is to do what your live rock is doing anyway, especially as your bioload is WAY low for your tank size) and appropriate for what you have.

You never did say what kind of red algae you're trying to deal with, though. Probably some more frequent water changes would help.

Congrats on the propagation of the mushrooms! That is one coral I could sadly NEVER get to grow! I think I had one batch of Ricordea to grow in the few years I've been doing this. I can get acros to grow like weeds, but not mushrooms :p
 

Raduque

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That brittlestar is a really cool creature. I've always loved the way reeftanks look, but I know I could never keep one. I have enough trouble with my small 20g FW Barb tank.

Also, that video sucks. Need more closeup op!
 

evident

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Originally posted by: Raduque
That brittlestar is a really cool creature. I've always loved the way reeftanks look, but I know I could never keep one. I have enough trouble with my small 20g FW Barb tank.

When i was like 12 my dad and I used to have a 20g tank w/ tinfoil barbs. man they were awesome :) i used to feed it salamanders from a creek outside. one day i came home and i found one on the floor dead :( it jumped out of the tank and broke the lid :(
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: spacejamz
Originally posted by: RaduqueAlso, that video sucks. Need more closeup op!

that's gratitude for ya.... :(

Nice video.

Now feed him a silver side or mackerel. You can also get small frozen fish at the grocer and feed those. That's what I gave my anenomies.
 
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Originally posted by: Homerboy
nice tank, but I prefer to conserve the reefs

you do realize that at the rat eat which reefs are declining, the aquarist hobby might be the only way to ensure that many of the species found in reefs will survive?

Most of the common species found in aquariums nowadays are tank hatched and raised. By hatching and raising them in a secure environment you insure their health and by selective breeding can increase disireable traits and breed out bad triats.